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Jeremy Falcon wrote: If you just had to go with a gut feeling of which country this guy was thinking about, what would you choose? Surely the question is which would you choose? Because you believe everybody else will choose the same. :| I am really sorry Jeremy, but the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives to be the first that comes to mind to anybody but those that go in expecting to get their views justified. This is exactly what I was talking about the other day, and a few weeks before that, and a few weeks before that...
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David Wulff wrote: I am really sorry Jeremy, but the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives to be the first that comes to mind to anybody but those that go in expecting to get their views justified. Actually, I never thought people bicker about the US all the time until after visiting CP. David Wulff wrote: This is exactly what I was talking about the other day, and a few weeks before that, and a few weeks before that... Being wrong on the definition of "western" doesn't automatically mean I and/or others are wrong on other accounts. Furthermore, at least I can admit when I am wrong. I can't say the same for many on CP. It's how we educate ourselves, and because I can do so, that allows me to have a greater understanding. This whole simple "western" miscommuncation is a prefect example of just that. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: so why must you press the point? not pressing the point, i was backing up my statement with citations. sounded like you didn't believe me (what a shock that would be) Jeremy Falcon wrote: Are you not correct often enough that you feel the need to relish in the few times that you are? ? what the fuck is wrong with you ? Software | Cleek
sounded like you didn't believe me (what a shock that would be) At least you're cordial as always. And, I do't believe you most of the time somply because you don't often state something worth believing. ? what the f*** is wrong with you ? It's called speculation. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: If you just had to go with a gut feeling of which country this guy was thinking about, what would you choose? Surely the question is which would you choose? Because you believe everybody else will choose the same. :| I am really sorry Jeremy, but the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives to be the first that comes to mind to anybody but those that go in expecting to get their views justified. This is exactly what I was talking about the other day, and a few weeks before that, and a few weeks before that...
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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Because you believe everybody else will choose the same. BTW, that's an assumption. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: I didn't disagree with you, so why must you press the point? Jeremy Falcon wrote: I was under the impression that "western" typically meant the continents of North and South America. :confused:
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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I meant before I was told otherwise I was under the impression of "western" typically meant the continents of North and South America. Jeremy Falcon
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sounded like you didn't believe me (what a shock that would be) At least you're cordial as always. And, I do't believe you most of the time somply because you don't often state something worth believing. ? what the f*** is wrong with you ? It's called speculation. Jeremy Falcon
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That's the winner's attitude I like to see in people! Jeremy Falcon
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David Wulff wrote: I am really sorry Jeremy, but the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives to be the first that comes to mind to anybody but those that go in expecting to get their views justified. Actually, I never thought people bicker about the US all the time until after visiting CP. David Wulff wrote: This is exactly what I was talking about the other day, and a few weeks before that, and a few weeks before that... Being wrong on the definition of "western" doesn't automatically mean I and/or others are wrong on other accounts. Furthermore, at least I can admit when I am wrong. I can't say the same for many on CP. It's how we educate ourselves, and because I can do so, that allows me to have a greater understanding. This whole simple "western" miscommuncation is a prefect example of just that. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Actually, I never thought people bicker about the US all the time until after visiting CP. Most people don't. Look who starts the bickering every time, and perhaps most importantly who says what each time. I come in on these conversations because I am a fool - I hate to see things twisted so badly without the other side being heard (whether that is good, bad or indifferent). Other people seem to come in to counter a secret agenda that just doesn't exist. Watch these threads as they jump from red to grey and then usually back to blue again - the time of day and the content that is voted should give you a reasonable idea of which groups of people, by continent, believe which things. I think you'll be surprised - there are probably a dozen people that actually do any voting. Jeremy Falcon wrote: Being wrong on the definition of "western" doesn't automatically mean I and/or others are wrong on other accounts. I made no mention of your definition of "western" - simply that you believe everything is the US's fault in other people's eyes. That simply isn't the case, but it does make it very hard to approach any problem anywhere else in the world without certain groups of people twisting it into anti-anti-US rhetoric. Believe it or not, sometimes when someone says something they mean just what they say: there are no hidden inferences or secret slogans. :sigh:
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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Because you believe everybody else will choose the same. BTW, that's an assumption. Jeremy Falcon
It was very clear what you were inferring with your rhetorical question. There is no need to assume anything.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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I meant before I was told otherwise I was under the impression of "western" typically meant the continents of North and South America. Jeremy Falcon
Ok. I was taught the continents of North and South America are referred to as the Americas, and the Western World refers to any country that isn't poor and/or communist. I assumed these were dictionary definitions, I didn't realise they were open for interpretation.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: If you just had to go with a gut feeling of which country this guy was thinking about, what would you choose? Surely the question is which would you choose? Because you believe everybody else will choose the same. :| I am really sorry Jeremy, but the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives to be the first that comes to mind to anybody but those that go in expecting to get their views justified. This is exactly what I was talking about the other day, and a few weeks before that, and a few weeks before that...
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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David Wulff wrote: ...the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives... I've been told on many occassions here in the CP Soapbox by non-Americans (including Brits, Aussies and a certain South African) that the US and the POTUS have a significant affect on their daily lives. I tend to agree with you. I hope you'll jump in and set them straight the next time it arises. ;) [EDIT] Score: 1.0 (1 vote). It's stupid shit like this that makes me wonder why I even bother. :mad: Whomever voted this a one... be an adult and post a reply!!! [/EDIT] "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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It was very clear what you were inferring with your rhetorical question. There is no need to assume anything.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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It was an assumption. I wanted to know what Chris's gut feeling would've been. If I tought otherwise I would've addressed the question to the entire world rather than Chris. Really, it is an assumption on your part that I did. Jeremy Falcon
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It was an assumption. I wanted to know what Chris's gut feeling would've been. If I tought otherwise I would've addressed the question to the entire world rather than Chris. Really, it is an assumption on your part that I did. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I wanted to know what Chris's gut feeling would've been You need to answer your question then else it remains rhetorical. My 2 cent definition of the day: " a rhetorical question is one asked solely to produce an effect (especially to make an assertion) rather than to elicit a reply "
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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Chris Losinger wrote: the commonly-used one includes everything from the US side of the Pacific to the eastern border of Russia That's news to me. Well, I was under the impression that "western" typically meant the continents of North and South America. Chris Losinger wrote: i don't see where he's talking about one country. What is Egeland's nationality? That could be a clue. I sometimes refer to the US as "we" because I am a part of it after all. Chris Losinger wrote: maybe your mind-reading skills are more advanced than mine. I knew you were going to say that. :P (That was a joke btw.) Chris Losinger wrote: yeah, maybe. though you'd think that would be a really good quote to use in a story that claims he was specifically talking about the US. LOL! You have a good point there. Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: That's news to me. Well, I was under the impression that "western" typically meant the continents of North and South America. :~ Where were you during the cold war? -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. I blog too now[^]
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David Wulff wrote: ...the USA just isn't that important in most people's lives... I've been told on many occassions here in the CP Soapbox by non-Americans (including Brits, Aussies and a certain South African) that the US and the POTUS have a significant affect on their daily lives. I tend to agree with you. I hope you'll jump in and set them straight the next time it arises. ;) [EDIT] Score: 1.0 (1 vote). It's stupid shit like this that makes me wonder why I even bother. :mad: Whomever voted this a one... be an adult and post a reply!!! [/EDIT] "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
There is a big difference between the US, and its foreign policies, and an even bigger problem getting some people to realise this. US foreign policy affects what I can and can't do in my home outside of the US borders - that is the purpose of foreign policy when a country has influence - but I can honestly say the only time in my day I ever think about the US in any capacity is when I am on CodeProject talking to, interestingly, Americans. Most people are really more concerned with what is happening and how to fix problems than placing blame and finding fault - not that you would be able to guess that from the politicans.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: That's news to me. western:[^]
1 a : coming from the west b : lying toward the west 2 capitalized : of, relating to, or characteristic of a region conventionally designated West: as a : steeped in or stemming from the Greco-Roman traditions b : of or relating to the noncommunist countries of Europe and America c : of or relating to the American West 3 capitalized : of or relating to the Roman Catholic or Protestant segment of Christianity
The West[^] Jeremy Falcon wrote: What is Egeland's nationality? he's from Norway Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: western:[^] 1 a : coming from the west b : lying toward the west 2 capitalized : of, relating to, or characteristic of a region conventionally designated West: as a : steeped in or stemming from the Greco-Roman traditions b : of or relating to the noncommunist countries of Europe and America c : of or relating to the American West 3 capitalized : of or relating to the Roman Catholic or Protestant segment of Christianity The West[^] Jeremy Falcon wrote: What is Egeland's nationality? he's from Norway Anyone who voted down this post really is a jerk. Some people apparently can't handle being given correct information. John Carson Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. Oscar Wilde
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There is a big difference between the US, and its foreign policies, and an even bigger problem getting some people to realise this. US foreign policy affects what I can and can't do in my home outside of the US borders - that is the purpose of foreign policy when a country has influence - but I can honestly say the only time in my day I ever think about the US in any capacity is when I am on CodeProject talking to, interestingly, Americans. Most people are really more concerned with what is happening and how to fix problems than placing blame and finding fault - not that you would be able to guess that from the politicans.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
Not to purposely stir a hornet's nest, but after hearing the rhetoric from many Europeans on the eve of our last elections, and the resulting griping, I tend to think that many non-Americans spend a lot of time worrying about what the US is up to. More concerned in fact than they probably are about Russia or China. That makes me tend to look at a lot of the statements made by some as being aimed at the US. I would tend to agree with your assement though that the US's policies probably don't have any great impact on your (or my) daily lives. Hell I live here and whether Bush or Clinton, or Kerry was in office doesn't make that huge of a difference in my daily life. Hopefully it will stay that way....:~ Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Actually, I never thought people bicker about the US all the time until after visiting CP. Most people don't. Look who starts the bickering every time, and perhaps most importantly who says what each time. I come in on these conversations because I am a fool - I hate to see things twisted so badly without the other side being heard (whether that is good, bad or indifferent). Other people seem to come in to counter a secret agenda that just doesn't exist. Watch these threads as they jump from red to grey and then usually back to blue again - the time of day and the content that is voted should give you a reasonable idea of which groups of people, by continent, believe which things. I think you'll be surprised - there are probably a dozen people that actually do any voting. Jeremy Falcon wrote: Being wrong on the definition of "western" doesn't automatically mean I and/or others are wrong on other accounts. I made no mention of your definition of "western" - simply that you believe everything is the US's fault in other people's eyes. That simply isn't the case, but it does make it very hard to approach any problem anywhere else in the world without certain groups of people twisting it into anti-anti-US rhetoric. Believe it or not, sometimes when someone says something they mean just what they say: there are no hidden inferences or secret slogans. :sigh:
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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Most people don't. Look who starts the bickering every time, and perhaps most importantly who says what each time. I come in on these conversations If I call somebody dumb several times and after having it repeated that person starts bickering, who do you believe is at fault? Watch these threads as they jump from red to grey and then usually back to blue again - the time of day and the content that is voted should give you a reasonable idea of which groups of people, by continent, believe which things. I think you'll be surprised - there are probably a dozen people that actually do any voting. You maybe be right. I'll have to pay more attention to that. I made no mention of your definition of "western" - simply that you believe everything is the US's fault in other people's eyes. That simply isn't the case, but it does make it very hard to approach any problem anywhere else in the world without certain groups of people twisting it into anti-anti-US rhetoric. Well, I don't believe the entire world thinks that every action undertaken by anyone in the world is the fault of the US. But, I do believe that people love to complain about the US on CP. And, I draw my conclusions from that. Believe it or not, sometimes when someone says something they mean just what they say: there are no hidden inferences or secret slogans. Well, I choose not to believe it. I believe the mind is more complex than that, and there could be plenty of reasons that bring us to a point to say something. Which means, those words could have many different underlying meanings. Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: That's news to me. Well, I was under the impression that "western" typically meant the continents of North and South America. :~ Where were you during the cold war? -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben. I blog too now[^]
Where were you during the cold war? Disneyland. :) Jeremy Falcon
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Being a UN official maybe the guy could speak to Kofi Annan and some of the other UN micreants who embezzled money from the Oil for Food program and pass a few bucks to these poor folks....... Just a thought <edit> In all fairness after looking at this site though, Norway where this guy is from does seem to contribute what seems to be generously based on their population. http://www.norway-un.org/NorwayandtheUN/NorwegianContributions/Norwegian+contributions+to+the+UN.htm[^] </edit> Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote: Being a UN official maybe the guy could speak to Kofi Annan and some of the other UN micreants who embezzled money from the Oil for Food program and pass a few bucks to these poor folks....... Just a thought This article offers an alternative perspective from the one you appear to hold. You might find it of interest: http://slate.msn.com/id/2111195/[^] Doug Goulden wrote: In all fairness after looking at this site though, Norway where this guy is from does seem to contribute what seems to be generously based on their population. Indeed. John Carson Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. Oscar Wilde
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Not to purposely stir a hornet's nest, but after hearing the rhetoric from many Europeans on the eve of our last elections, and the resulting griping, I tend to think that many non-Americans spend a lot of time worrying about what the US is up to. More concerned in fact than they probably are about Russia or China. That makes me tend to look at a lot of the statements made by some as being aimed at the US. I would tend to agree with your assement though that the US's policies probably don't have any great impact on your (or my) daily lives. Hell I live here and whether Bush or Clinton, or Kerry was in office doesn't make that huge of a difference in my daily life. Hopefully it will stay that way....:~ Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Many Europeans... well, some vocal ones that have a CodeProject membership and, it seems, strong political views of one kind or another. It all comes down to politics in end.
David Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
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