Belated birthday wishes
-
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Jon Sagara? Yup, the one and only! The birthday list on CP is very useful. I wish I could say I had Jon's birthday noted down in Outlook, but that would be lying (I don't even have Bob's b-day in Outlook) :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Heh, I just looked at the list, and was surprised to be told it was my birthday yesterday. Silly American style date formats - I'd entered it at 1/12/1978 (1st of December, not 12th of January).
Andy Hassall (andy@andyh.org) Space - disk usage analysis tool
-
Heh, I just looked at the list, and was surprised to be told it was my birthday yesterday. Silly American style date formats - I'd entered it at 1/12/1978 (1st of December, not 12th of January).
Andy Hassall (andy@andyh.org) Space - disk usage analysis tool
Andy Hassall wrote: Silly American style date formats Can anyone give me a proper explanation of why the yanks bastardised the date format into the MM/DD/YYYY format? I mean it makes no sense. Andy Hassall wrote: Heh, I just looked at the list, and was surprised to be told it was my birthday yesterday. LOL. Janina had the same problem (her b-day is on the 1st of December), except the government made the mistake on her birth certificate. :omg: You would not believe the amount of hassle and red tape you have to go through to get your birth certificate changed to the right date! One plus point was that she was legally allowed to buy alcohol 11 months before she should have been :-D Well at least that was a plus point for me. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
-
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Jon Sagara? Yup, the one and only! The birthday list on CP is very useful. I wish I could say I had Jon's birthday noted down in Outlook, but that would be lying (I don't even have Bob's b-day in Outlook) :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Happy B'Day Jon! Nish [I didnt add belated, kinda spoils the effect] Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
-
Heh, I just looked at the list, and was surprised to be told it was my birthday yesterday. Silly American style date formats - I'd entered it at 1/12/1978 (1st of December, not 12th of January).
Andy Hassall (andy@andyh.org) Space - disk usage analysis tool
I always use mm/dd/yy even though in India the standard format is dd/mm/yy I donno how I got into the mm/dd habit. Maybe its cause I normally say June 10th or June 20th and thus when I made it mumerical I say 6-01 [for June 1st] and not for Jan 6th Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
-
Andy Hassall wrote: Silly American style date formats Can anyone give me a proper explanation of why the yanks bastardised the date format into the MM/DD/YYYY format? I mean it makes no sense. Andy Hassall wrote: Heh, I just looked at the list, and was surprised to be told it was my birthday yesterday. LOL. Janina had the same problem (her b-day is on the 1st of December), except the government made the mistake on her birth certificate. :omg: You would not believe the amount of hassle and red tape you have to go through to get your birth certificate changed to the right date! One plus point was that she was legally allowed to buy alcohol 11 months before she should have been :-D Well at least that was a plus point for me. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Paul Watson wrote: Can anyone give me a proper explanation of why the yanks bastardised the date format into the MM/DD/YYYY format? Well, I live in US for almost 10 years now and nobody can answer this question for me. As well as my questions like "Why not use metric system?", "Why NTSC instead of PAL or SECAM?", "Why 110Volts instead of 220Volts?" and so on. My only guess, is that Americans just really-really want to be different and disconnected from the rest of the world.
-
Paul Watson wrote: Can anyone give me a proper explanation of why the yanks bastardised the date format into the MM/DD/YYYY format? Well, I live in US for almost 10 years now and nobody can answer this question for me. As well as my questions like "Why not use metric system?", "Why NTSC instead of PAL or SECAM?", "Why 110Volts instead of 220Volts?" and so on. My only guess, is that Americans just really-really want to be different and disconnected from the rest of the world.
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: Why 110Volts instead of 220Volts?" Actually, we use both. The service standard on residences arrives as 220VAC from a center-tapped transformer. The center-tap is bonded to a ground rod at the site and called neutral, then into a distribution panel where, depending on the application, one can choose either of two 110V lines, or one 220V line. The lower voltage is used for most devices, but the 220 is used on high wattage items. In any case, I believe we started electrification before Europe, and standardized first. And it really pains us to have to buy a half dozen silly adapters just to travel there with an electric razor:laugh: The big debate then, BTW, was whether to use DC or AC for distribution. AC won, over the loud objections of Thomas Edison who favored DC. "Why don't we make poor people turn on their heaters?" - Sen. S.I. Hayakawa, suggesting a way to reduce energy use during a hot spell in which air conditioning use was causing blackouts... circa 1973
-
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: Why 110Volts instead of 220Volts?" Actually, we use both. The service standard on residences arrives as 220VAC from a center-tapped transformer. The center-tap is bonded to a ground rod at the site and called neutral, then into a distribution panel where, depending on the application, one can choose either of two 110V lines, or one 220V line. The lower voltage is used for most devices, but the 220 is used on high wattage items. In any case, I believe we started electrification before Europe, and standardized first. And it really pains us to have to buy a half dozen silly adapters just to travel there with an electric razor:laugh: The big debate then, BTW, was whether to use DC or AC for distribution. AC won, over the loud objections of Thomas Edison who favored DC. "Why don't we make poor people turn on their heaters?" - Sen. S.I. Hayakawa, suggesting a way to reduce energy use during a hot spell in which air conditioning use was causing blackouts... circa 1973
Roger Wright wrote: The big debate then, BTW, was whether to use DC or AC for distribution. AC won, over the loud objections of Thomas Edison who favored DC. I remember that vaguely back when I was doing electronics and electric current in school. Didn't AC win because it transmits better over long distances? i.e. Less power loss than DC? Roger Wright wrote: And it really pains us to have to buy a half dozen silly adapters just to travel there with an electric razor Well in SA we use round "holes" for our plugs but in the UK they have the square/rectangular holes. I have to lug around a stupid converter which falls out of the wall half the time. Standardisation! I love it, just wish people would do it. This goes as much for the IT Industry as it does for RL. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
-
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: Why 110Volts instead of 220Volts?" Actually, we use both. The service standard on residences arrives as 220VAC from a center-tapped transformer. The center-tap is bonded to a ground rod at the site and called neutral, then into a distribution panel where, depending on the application, one can choose either of two 110V lines, or one 220V line. The lower voltage is used for most devices, but the 220 is used on high wattage items. In any case, I believe we started electrification before Europe, and standardized first. And it really pains us to have to buy a half dozen silly adapters just to travel there with an electric razor:laugh: The big debate then, BTW, was whether to use DC or AC for distribution. AC won, over the loud objections of Thomas Edison who favored DC. "Why don't we make poor people turn on their heaters?" - Sen. S.I. Hayakawa, suggesting a way to reduce energy use during a hot spell in which air conditioning use was causing blackouts... circa 1973
I believe that in Europe they use 2 voltages as well. Only numbers are 220 and 380. Just FYI. I wonder what are the numbers all over the world. I mean do most countries use 220? I thought so, but I've never seen any information about it. If this is the case I wonder why most countries have chosen 220 - it had to be some logical reason for that... And if so, why is this logical reason not accepted by US? Can you imagine DC being used though? All those people connecting wrong polarity wires to each other... Wow! :)
-
I believe that in Europe they use 2 voltages as well. Only numbers are 220 and 380. Just FYI. I wonder what are the numbers all over the world. I mean do most countries use 220? I thought so, but I've never seen any information about it. If this is the case I wonder why most countries have chosen 220 - it had to be some logical reason for that... And if so, why is this logical reason not accepted by US? Can you imagine DC being used though? All those people connecting wrong polarity wires to each other... Wow! :)
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: I wonder what are the numbers all over the world. We use 240v in SA. :-D Though most appliances do require 220v (because they are made in other countries), they still work ok. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
-
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: I wonder what are the numbers all over the world. We use 240v in SA. :-D Though most appliances do require 220v (because they are made in other countries), they still work ok. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Well, I believe, that here in US it comes to wall outlet as ~120V, but most devices are designed to work with 110V.
-
Roger Wright wrote: The big debate then, BTW, was whether to use DC or AC for distribution. AC won, over the loud objections of Thomas Edison who favored DC. I remember that vaguely back when I was doing electronics and electric current in school. Didn't AC win because it transmits better over long distances? i.e. Less power loss than DC? Roger Wright wrote: And it really pains us to have to buy a half dozen silly adapters just to travel there with an electric razor Well in SA we use round "holes" for our plugs but in the UK they have the square/rectangular holes. I have to lug around a stupid converter which falls out of the wall half the time. Standardisation! I love it, just wish people would do it. This goes as much for the IT Industry as it does for RL. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Paul Watson wrote: Didn't AC win because it transmits better over long distances? i.e. Less power loss than DC? Yes. It also is very convenient when you need to step up or down the voltage. The only way to do that (with the technology they had then) was to use a motor-generator set for each conversion, with the resulting 50% or so loss in power! Using AC allows you to stick a transformer on the line and take off whatever voltage you want with only a bit of IR and hysteresis loss in the core and windings. Entropy always increases without the constant input of energy. Since all energy is eventually wasted as heat, why make the bed?
-
I believe that in Europe they use 2 voltages as well. Only numbers are 220 and 380. Just FYI. I wonder what are the numbers all over the world. I mean do most countries use 220? I thought so, but I've never seen any information about it. If this is the case I wonder why most countries have chosen 220 - it had to be some logical reason for that... And if so, why is this logical reason not accepted by US? Can you imagine DC being used though? All those people connecting wrong polarity wires to each other... Wow! :)
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: Can you imagine DC being used though? All those people connecting wrong polarity wires to each other... Wow! Worse yet, when someone muckles on to a live wire, the muscles contract. On a DC system it would be unlikely that you would ever let go! At least AC gives 60 chamces a second to let go:laugh: I just saw an ad for a 2.4GHz CPU. Since that's the same frequency as the microwave oven, I wonder how far I should sit from that thing?
-
I believe that in Europe they use 2 voltages as well. Only numbers are 220 and 380. Just FYI. I wonder what are the numbers all over the world. I mean do most countries use 220? I thought so, but I've never seen any information about it. If this is the case I wonder why most countries have chosen 220 - it had to be some logical reason for that... And if so, why is this logical reason not accepted by US? Can you imagine DC being used though? All those people connecting wrong polarity wires to each other... Wow! :)
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: I believe that in Europe they use 2 voltages as well. Only numbers are 220 and 380. Just FYI. I wonder what are the numbers all over the world. My company sells industrial equipment all over the world and residential and industrial voltage is literally all over the map. Residential voltage generally runs from 110v to 240v, while industrial voltage usually stays between 220v and 700v, throw in variations for frequency 50hz - 60hz, the fact that voltage can vary +/- 20% during the day and all the different plug styles, it quickly becomes a nightmare.
Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "Programming is like sex. One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life." - Michael Sinz
-
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: Can you imagine DC being used though? All those people connecting wrong polarity wires to each other... Wow! Worse yet, when someone muckles on to a live wire, the muscles contract. On a DC system it would be unlikely that you would ever let go! At least AC gives 60 chamces a second to let go:laugh: I just saw an ad for a 2.4GHz CPU. Since that's the same frequency as the microwave oven, I wonder how far I should sit from that thing?
Roger Wright wrote: At least AC gives 60 chamces a second to let go Well, if there is anything good about having only 110V for power it is a safety. I've been socked myself many times by 220V and I have to tell you it is not a very pleasant experience. :) One time, I think I was in 7th grade, I was doing some chemical experiment at home and I needed electricity to do it. I can’t remember what it was I was doing exactly, but the fact of the matter was that I had two wires plugged in to the wall outlet (220V) and held one in each hand. I was going to submerge them into some substance. In any case, my grandmother came behind me telling me something. I turned my head to reply and this same instance two wires had touched. I’ve seen a big flash (a huge ball of fire) and me, my chair and my grandmother fly thru the room and hit the opposite wall. Needless to say it scared the hell out of me not to mention what my poor grandma had experienced at the moment. I think I almost made it to the Darwin Awards that day. :) Roger Wright wrote: I wonder how far I should sit from that thing? Since the voltage that powers the CPU is very low (between 1 and 2 volts) I doubt it is capable of reaching a person outside of the box. :)
-
I believe that in Europe they use 2 voltages as well. Only numbers are 220 and 380. Just FYI. I wonder what are the numbers all over the world. I mean do most countries use 220? I thought so, but I've never seen any information about it. If this is the case I wonder why most countries have chosen 220 - it had to be some logical reason for that... And if so, why is this logical reason not accepted by US? Can you imagine DC being used though? All those people connecting wrong polarity wires to each other... Wow! :)
Actually, 220 is somewhat safer. (let's see how much Jason remembers from college, can you tell what I majored in? :rolleyes: ) 110 volt electricity has a frequency of 60HZ, where 220 volt electricity has a frequency of 50 HZ. This doesn't sound important, even to most electronics majors, but 60HZ is very close to the same frequency that is used by the "pacemaker" portion of the human heart. This means that 110 is considerably more likely to fibrilate a heart, possibly simply stopping it. Some people will argue that 220V is capable of delivering more power, thus making it more dangerous, but in truth it only takes a couple of seconds of exposure at roughly 6-200mA to kill. (That's .006 Amps to .2 Amps, not much) So the amount of power that 220V lines can deliver is unimportant, due to the tiny amout required to be lethal. As to why the US doesn't use 220 more, we already had a large investment in 110 by the time the rest of the world was really rolling on their electric infrastructure. It was a case of the classic "but changing our infrastructure would cost too much money" argument. Jason Jystad Cito Technologies www.citotech.net Sonork ID 100.9918 >-------------------------------------------------< Every program has at least one bug and can be shortened by at least one instruction -- from which, by induction, one can deduce that every program can be reduced to one instruction that doesn't work. >-------------------------------------------------<
-
Actually, 220 is somewhat safer. (let's see how much Jason remembers from college, can you tell what I majored in? :rolleyes: ) 110 volt electricity has a frequency of 60HZ, where 220 volt electricity has a frequency of 50 HZ. This doesn't sound important, even to most electronics majors, but 60HZ is very close to the same frequency that is used by the "pacemaker" portion of the human heart. This means that 110 is considerably more likely to fibrilate a heart, possibly simply stopping it. Some people will argue that 220V is capable of delivering more power, thus making it more dangerous, but in truth it only takes a couple of seconds of exposure at roughly 6-200mA to kill. (That's .006 Amps to .2 Amps, not much) So the amount of power that 220V lines can deliver is unimportant, due to the tiny amout required to be lethal. As to why the US doesn't use 220 more, we already had a large investment in 110 by the time the rest of the world was really rolling on their electric infrastructure. It was a case of the classic "but changing our infrastructure would cost too much money" argument. Jason Jystad Cito Technologies www.citotech.net Sonork ID 100.9918 >-------------------------------------------------< Every program has at least one bug and can be shortened by at least one instruction -- from which, by induction, one can deduce that every program can be reduced to one instruction that doesn't work. >-------------------------------------------------<
Jason Jystad wrote: Actually, 220 is somewhat safer. Like I said in my other post that I had been shocked a few times by 220V but never by 110V, so I can't really compare it from the personal experience. :) I am just going to believe you and stay the hell away from 110V wires. :) Jason Jystad wrote: It was a case of the classic "but changing our infrastructure would cost too much money" argument. Well, that explains it.
-
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: I believe that in Europe they use 2 voltages as well. Only numbers are 220 and 380. Just FYI. I wonder what are the numbers all over the world. My company sells industrial equipment all over the world and residential and industrial voltage is literally all over the map. Residential voltage generally runs from 110v to 240v, while industrial voltage usually stays between 220v and 700v, throw in variations for frequency 50hz - 60hz, the fact that voltage can vary +/- 20% during the day and all the different plug styles, it quickly becomes a nightmare.
Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "Programming is like sex. One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life." - Michael Sinz
But if we talk about residential voltages only, do you know if more countries use 220-240V or it is the other way around?
-
Roger Wright wrote: At least AC gives 60 chamces a second to let go Well, if there is anything good about having only 110V for power it is a safety. I've been socked myself many times by 220V and I have to tell you it is not a very pleasant experience. :) One time, I think I was in 7th grade, I was doing some chemical experiment at home and I needed electricity to do it. I can’t remember what it was I was doing exactly, but the fact of the matter was that I had two wires plugged in to the wall outlet (220V) and held one in each hand. I was going to submerge them into some substance. In any case, my grandmother came behind me telling me something. I turned my head to reply and this same instance two wires had touched. I’ve seen a big flash (a huge ball of fire) and me, my chair and my grandmother fly thru the room and hit the opposite wall. Needless to say it scared the hell out of me not to mention what my poor grandma had experienced at the moment. I think I almost made it to the Darwin Awards that day. :) Roger Wright wrote: I wonder how far I should sit from that thing? Since the voltage that powers the CPU is very low (between 1 and 2 volts) I doubt it is capable of reaching a person outside of the box. :)
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: I’ve seen a big flash (a huge ball of fire) and me, my chair and my grandmother fly thru the room and hit the opposite wall. I did much the same when I was five or six. My dad had a woodburning pen (a soldering iron adapted for engraving wood) that I thought was cool. I had a vague notion of how it must work, so one day at my grandma's house (some family get-together) I gathered up a big nail I found in the garage and worked it into a stick. Grandma was fond of gardening, and she used a lot of telephone wire for tying up plants. So I wrapped a bunch of it around the nail, then stripped the wire end and stuck them in a socket. The lights went out:laugh: When they got them working again, I got a serious lecture from my uncle who was a teacher and therefore (they thought) knew about electricity. Turns out he didn't know as much as they thought, as I got some books at the library later and explained it to him next holiday. Why are adults always so surprised when little kids do that? Never try to con a kid - they're smarter than you are!
-
Actually, 220 is somewhat safer. (let's see how much Jason remembers from college, can you tell what I majored in? :rolleyes: ) 110 volt electricity has a frequency of 60HZ, where 220 volt electricity has a frequency of 50 HZ. This doesn't sound important, even to most electronics majors, but 60HZ is very close to the same frequency that is used by the "pacemaker" portion of the human heart. This means that 110 is considerably more likely to fibrilate a heart, possibly simply stopping it. Some people will argue that 220V is capable of delivering more power, thus making it more dangerous, but in truth it only takes a couple of seconds of exposure at roughly 6-200mA to kill. (That's .006 Amps to .2 Amps, not much) So the amount of power that 220V lines can deliver is unimportant, due to the tiny amout required to be lethal. As to why the US doesn't use 220 more, we already had a large investment in 110 by the time the rest of the world was really rolling on their electric infrastructure. It was a case of the classic "but changing our infrastructure would cost too much money" argument. Jason Jystad Cito Technologies www.citotech.net Sonork ID 100.9918 >-------------------------------------------------< Every program has at least one bug and can be shortened by at least one instruction -- from which, by induction, one can deduce that every program can be reduced to one instruction that doesn't work. >-------------------------------------------------<
Jason Jystad wrote: where 220 volt electricity has a frequency of 50 HZ. In Europe the 220V is 50Hz, but ours is still 60Hz, as are the 270V, 480V, and all the other standard transmission voltages. Connecting a power source of any other frequency than 60Hz to our power grid would wreak havoc, at least until a switching station isolated it safely. The frequency must be continuously monitored and regulated to with a percent or so to avoid massive problems. One consequence of this choice is that ac motors all run at some multiple of of 1/60 second, making it easy to build a cheap clock! It's also why I laughed so hard at a customer who was pissed at me for not selling him a dimmer switch to control the speed of the fan in his cooler :laugh: One oddity I've wondered about, though, is why the Navy picked 400Hz for shipboard power. My guess is that the generators can be made smaller and lighter, which would be important for use on a small platform. But on that I'm only guessing... Or maybe they can't make the neutrons go any slower:-D
-
But if we talk about residential voltages only, do you know if more countries use 220-240V or it is the other way around?