Reactions to the Tsunami
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Jason Henderson wrote: didn't start something we had to finish. 1) They HAD TO? Who said so? 2) FINISH? What is finished already? :zzz: _________________________________ Vote '1' if you're too lazy for a discussion
Corinna John wrote: 1) They HAD TO? Who said so? 2) FINISH? What is finished already? 1) Well this has been debated and there are good arguments on both sides. I think we had to, you don't. 2) Saddam is finished. Iraq is not and hopefully we won't forsake the Iraqis.
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
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http://www.jvf.co.ukJeremy Davis wrote: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. That's is an optical illusion. The 800 pound gorilla always looks like he's lumbering slowly. We applied more resource in a faster manner than just about other Nation. Fwiw, here in Las Vegas, besides the collection of so much clothing that many aid agencies have asked the citizens of this city to stop donating all of our schools have started a coin drive. I don't remember a coin drive being instituted since the days of the March of Dimes and its battle to end polio. Also of note, Colen Powell stated yesterday that of the 350 million the US has earmarked for disater relief only 40 million has been used. Jeremy Davis wrote: (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq This statement is tripe. It is worthless of real consideration. Jeremy Davis wrote: (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. For Americans there is one name that comes to mind: Somalia[^] Jerry He said this was like painstakingly assembling the first layer of a house of cards, then boasting that the next 15,000 layers were a mere formality.--The Code Book, pp. 331 Toasty0.com The Recipe Project
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.uk- No opinion about that, except it sounds like a jingoist, self congratulating attitude. 2) $8billion only??? 3) True. The effects of mediatization on humanitarian catastrophes can't be denied. To sum up, "No picture, no money". "The real tragedy is that every day tens of thousands die of hunger and poverty-related disease," [...] "If you add up a month of those deaths you surpass the Tsunami toll - but hunger and civil war are much less sexy for the media."[^]
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Jeremy Davis wrote: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. Sorry, but I didn't see any European C-130s or helicopters or aircraft carriers there distributing supplies in 10 days time. It takes time to do things. Plus you have to remember that at first no one knew the extent of the devastation. That's no excuse for dragging feet, but once everyone knew how big it was, the wheels started turning faster. But that's human nature. Jeremy Davis wrote: (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq I'm sure that after we tally up the cost of sending troops, aircraft carriers, etc., the numbers will be in the billions. Also, the tsunami was an act of nature, some nut-job dictator didn't start something we had to finish. Jeremy Davis wrote: (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. Big natural disasters always seem to take precedence over everyday deaths. I'll bet we loose thousands in car accidents in america everyday too, but that doesn't get as much publicity. The people who died are dead, so we can't help them. But there are millions displaced or hurt by the tsunamis so in that regard I think Africa pales by comparison.
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blogBritian has sent helicopters in. Chartered planes have been flying from Europe with supplies daily. Also don't forget that the UN has taken in a lot of equipment itself, including planes and trucks (remember the UN is a member-based organisation). India has been building helipads in some the worst affected areas to get food and water out there. The US sent in 5 ships, India has sent 34, etc. WRT money, you can give me a hundred million dollars but I can't spend it faster than the interest builds up. Germany is giving almost $700 million, Australia almost $800 million, but that is only going to be useful for reconstruction which doesn't require an instant response. Remember that $350 million of the US pledge is future debt relief. Right now they need equipment, money can come later. And hopefully this time it will - unlike the earthquake in Bam where as little as $17 million from the $1 billion pledged was actually given. :( It is sad that Brian's comment below seems to be true in some media, which I suspected all along from the stuff that has been aired in the SB. I guess it just depends which media you choose to subscribe to, because I haven't seen anything but. I don't know which newspaper Jeremy reads, but I am not aware of any British newspaper that doesn't push political agendas (or else pornography and rumours). Interesting bit of information: On Tuesday, an Indian helicopter dropping food and water over remote islands was attacked by tribesmen using bows and arrows. The crew were not hurt, and the authorities were taking it as a sign that tribes had not been wiped out by the earthquake and sea surges as many had feared. Wow. About point 3: I agree we can't help the people who are dead so we help the people who are affected by disease and poverty. How is that different from a lot of Africa?
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.ukJeremy Davis wrote: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. Duah, Dubya!! I guess some expert team spent sometime to tell Dubya what Tsunami means. As usual Dubya took some time to digest. That's why the slow response. Jeremy Davis wrote: (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq Did somebody say Oil? Jeremy Davis wrote: (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. They die because of AIDS. As you know, AIDS is old story.
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How does sending Tsunami relief turn into a pissing contest anyway? For fucks sake, man! I haven't heard a goddamn thing about how great it is that the world, including the US, has come together for support and relief in a time of need. Instead, it's more bitching about why there isn't more money, or how come it wasn't faster, or now what about the Africans. If people don't have something to fucking complain about they just aren't happy i guess. X| BW
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How does sending Tsunami relief turn into a pissing contest anyway? For fucks sake, man! I haven't heard a goddamn thing about how great it is that the world, including the US, has come together for support and relief in a time of need. Instead, it's more bitching about why there isn't more money, or how come it wasn't faster, or now what about the Africans. If people don't have something to fucking complain about they just aren't happy i guess. X| BW
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Get through it and learn how to fly. I know you will find a way...
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-Days of the NewDo you feel happy now after that big complaint? Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk [Doug Goulden] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
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Do you feel happy now after that big complaint? Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk [Doug Goulden] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
I've been pretty happy all day, but yeah it's good to vent sometimes. ;) BW
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Jeremy Davis wrote: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. Duah, Dubya!! I guess some expert team spent sometime to tell Dubya what Tsunami means. As usual Dubya took some time to digest. That's why the slow response. Jeremy Davis wrote: (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq Did somebody say Oil? Jeremy Davis wrote: (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. They die because of AIDS. As you know, AIDS is old story.
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This signature was created by "Code Project Quoter".Kant wrote: They die because of AIDS. As you know, AIDS is old story. Not all die in AIDS. Many Africans die because of the local looney's quest for power. :( -- I got nasty habits. I take tea at three. -- Mick Jagger I blog too now[^]
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.uk1. The US were throwing stuff on military transports as soon as they could. 2. Including the indirect costs - transport, troops etc. involved I reckon they're doing their part. 3. Sadly there is a lot of resistance to involvement in Africa plus a lot the problems are cause by internal strife both political and military :( Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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Kant wrote: They die because of AIDS. As you know, AIDS is old story. Not all die in AIDS. Many Africans die because of the local looney's quest for power. :( -- I got nasty habits. I take tea at three. -- Mick Jagger I blog too now[^]
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Many Africans die because of the local looney's quest for power. Yeah..I know that... The list is endless there. I was just trying for one line sentence. It's been awhile I got grayed. :->
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe Jerry Davis http://www.astad.org
http://www.jvf.co.uk(1) In Europe the tsunami has made headlines all the time but not in the US (2) Not fair to compare but it DOES say something about values. (3) The problems and needs of people in Africa are more complex. jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
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How does sending Tsunami relief turn into a pissing contest anyway? For fucks sake, man! I haven't heard a goddamn thing about how great it is that the world, including the US, has come together for support and relief in a time of need. Instead, it's more bitching about why there isn't more money, or how come it wasn't faster, or now what about the Africans. If people don't have something to fucking complain about they just aren't happy i guess. X| BW
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-Days of the Newbrianwelsch wrote: How does sending Tsunami relief turn into a pissing contest anyway? Giving people what they want to hear rather than making them feel sad at the tragedy? "I've donated clothes and money but people are still dying. That sucks. But hey look the entire rest of the world is pissed at us again. The bastards!"
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Jeremy Davis wrote: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. Sorry, but I didn't see any European C-130s or helicopters or aircraft carriers there distributing supplies in 10 days time. It takes time to do things. Plus you have to remember that at first no one knew the extent of the devastation. That's no excuse for dragging feet, but once everyone knew how big it was, the wheels started turning faster. But that's human nature. Jeremy Davis wrote: (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq I'm sure that after we tally up the cost of sending troops, aircraft carriers, etc., the numbers will be in the billions. Also, the tsunami was an act of nature, some nut-job dictator didn't start something we had to finish. Jeremy Davis wrote: (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity. Big natural disasters always seem to take precedence over everyday deaths. I'll bet we loose thousands in car accidents in america everyday too, but that doesn't get as much publicity. The people who died are dead, so we can't help them. But there are millions displaced or hurt by the tsunamis so in that regard I think Africa pales by comparison.
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blogJason Henderson wrote: Big natural disasters always seem to take precedence over everyday deaths. I'll bet we loose thousands in car accidents in america everyday too, but that doesn't get as much publicity. The people who died are dead, so we can't help them. But there are millions displaced or hurt by the tsunamis so in that regard I think Africa pales by comparison. wow... you sound very uneducated in that statement. African nations may not loose the millions displaced/hurt by the tsunamis everyday. Take for instance, one African nation, Sudan. 1.2 million people have been displaced, and 71 000 people (non-Arabs) have died because the government is Arab and hates the native non-Arabs. The government is supporting a group, Janjaweed, which goes into the non-Arab villages to execute people, raid villages, and rape the women. That is why I find your last few words, "Africa pales by comparison", ignorant. Please tell this to the people who must leave their homes because their government hates them. The United States has declared Sudan to be a genocide, but the AU, EU, and UN haven't yet. Remember just because a nation is "backwards" in trade doesn't mean that you can judge them for choosing to live different. There is more to life than money. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict[^] -Steven Hicks
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I'm just repeating some views published in the British newspapers, so please don't flame me! :rose: (1) The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. (2) The money given by America so far, doesn't come close to the $8billion they've wasted in Iraq (3) There is a death toll the same every day in Africa, so we should be just as shocked about that too but it doesn't get the publicity.
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http://www.jvf.co.ukJeremy Davis wrote: The speed of the American responce was much slower than most of Europe. Whats the point? I thought nations were trying to come together and show some support for their fellow man in crisis not like others said "a pissing contest" -Steven Hicks
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How does sending Tsunami relief turn into a pissing contest anyway? For fucks sake, man! I haven't heard a goddamn thing about how great it is that the world, including the US, has come together for support and relief in a time of need. Instead, it's more bitching about why there isn't more money, or how come it wasn't faster, or now what about the Africans. If people don't have something to fucking complain about they just aren't happy i guess. X| BW
"Get up and open your eyes. Don't let yourself ever fall down.
Get through it and learn how to fly. I know you will find a way...
Today"
-Days of the Newbrianwelsch wrote: I haven't heard a goddamn thing about how great it is that the world, including the US, has come together for support and relief in a time of need. Instead, it's more bitching about why there isn't more money, or how come it wasn't faster, or now what about the Africans. Yeah. That is right. It is fantastic that people have donated for relief efforts after 150,000 people have died from the Tsunami and it is not worth mentioning that more people die each week in Africa and those deaths could actually be prevented --- and at lower cost. Such matters should be passed over in silence. We wouldn't want to interfere with the Western world basking in the glory of its own compassion by drawing attention to all those glory-hogging Africans trying to get their deaths on the front page. People in the West need to be shielded from the truth so they can feel good about themselves. John Carson Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. Oscar Wilde
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How does sending Tsunami relief turn into a pissing contest anyway? For fucks sake, man! I haven't heard a goddamn thing about how great it is that the world, including the US, has come together for support and relief in a time of need. Instead, it's more bitching about why there isn't more money, or how come it wasn't faster, or now what about the Africans. If people don't have something to fucking complain about they just aren't happy i guess. X| BW
"Get up and open your eyes. Don't let yourself ever fall down.
Get through it and learn how to fly. I know you will find a way...
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-Days of the NewYou self-serving bastard. Don't you realize what's happening here? People are happy to giving money to help those affected by this disaster. People are happy to give money to help those affected by this disaster! How dare they?! Look at all the heartbreak and misery caused by this tsunami, yet they would be happy in the face of this? "Oh, but they can be happy in the thought that some of what they're giving will perhaps reduce some of this sadness and pain" - bah. Don't they realize? People are being murdered by soldiers and insurgents in Iraq! Tortured by shadowy state organizations in Syria! Infected with AIDS by horny truck drivers in Africa! Untold masses cry out in agony each day, yet some would take heart in the thought that their pittance will help someone? This is spitting in the face of all those who are *not* helped... NO! Rather it is spitting in their face, and then turning away while they die, alone, in pain. You sick, heartless, selfish fools. And then to look for some sort of approval? Praise?! Commendation?!! It doesn't end with this tsunami, either. I saw a woman drinking coffee this morning, smiling at the warmth of the sun on a beautiful day... WHILE CHILDREN ARE SHOT LIKE RATS IN SOUTH AMERICA! I heard a man laugh at his good fortune not to have been hurt more severely falling off an icy stairs onto a cinder block... failing to acknowledge that while he was escaping with only fractures and bruises, NELSON MANDELA'S SON DIED OF AIDS! I listened to a woman's story of how acupuncture gained her some minor relief from the constant headaches she suffers from... but noticed she said nothing of THE FOURTEEN PEOPLE DEAD IN A TRAIN WRECK IN ITALY! X| I don't mean to attack you unduly, Brian - as heinous as your attitude is, you are far from alone. But open your eyes to the damage you do, to the insult that is trying to help some when not all can be helped, and the greater insult that is taking joy in anything, when others are suffering. Repent, find a dark hole somewhere, and sit motionless in darkness helping no-one and taking satisfaction in nothing, until starvation or the rats end your life as they've done with so many of those lives that you haven't helped. :| :rolleyes:
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You self-serving bastard. Don't you realize what's happening here? People are happy to giving money to help those affected by this disaster. People are happy to give money to help those affected by this disaster! How dare they?! Look at all the heartbreak and misery caused by this tsunami, yet they would be happy in the face of this? "Oh, but they can be happy in the thought that some of what they're giving will perhaps reduce some of this sadness and pain" - bah. Don't they realize? People are being murdered by soldiers and insurgents in Iraq! Tortured by shadowy state organizations in Syria! Infected with AIDS by horny truck drivers in Africa! Untold masses cry out in agony each day, yet some would take heart in the thought that their pittance will help someone? This is spitting in the face of all those who are *not* helped... NO! Rather it is spitting in their face, and then turning away while they die, alone, in pain. You sick, heartless, selfish fools. And then to look for some sort of approval? Praise?! Commendation?!! It doesn't end with this tsunami, either. I saw a woman drinking coffee this morning, smiling at the warmth of the sun on a beautiful day... WHILE CHILDREN ARE SHOT LIKE RATS IN SOUTH AMERICA! I heard a man laugh at his good fortune not to have been hurt more severely falling off an icy stairs onto a cinder block... failing to acknowledge that while he was escaping with only fractures and bruises, NELSON MANDELA'S SON DIED OF AIDS! I listened to a woman's story of how acupuncture gained her some minor relief from the constant headaches she suffers from... but noticed she said nothing of THE FOURTEEN PEOPLE DEAD IN A TRAIN WRECK IN ITALY! X| I don't mean to attack you unduly, Brian - as heinous as your attitude is, you are far from alone. But open your eyes to the damage you do, to the insult that is trying to help some when not all can be helped, and the greater insult that is taking joy in anything, when others are suffering. Repent, find a dark hole somewhere, and sit motionless in darkness helping no-one and taking satisfaction in nothing, until starvation or the rats end your life as they've done with so many of those lives that you haven't helped. :| :rolleyes:
You left me high and dry and chanYour english teacher deserves a 10 out of 10 ! That was very well written. Regardz Colin J Davies The most LinkedIn CPian (that I know of anyhow) :-)
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You self-serving bastard. Don't you realize what's happening here? People are happy to giving money to help those affected by this disaster. People are happy to give money to help those affected by this disaster! How dare they?! Look at all the heartbreak and misery caused by this tsunami, yet they would be happy in the face of this? "Oh, but they can be happy in the thought that some of what they're giving will perhaps reduce some of this sadness and pain" - bah. Don't they realize? People are being murdered by soldiers and insurgents in Iraq! Tortured by shadowy state organizations in Syria! Infected with AIDS by horny truck drivers in Africa! Untold masses cry out in agony each day, yet some would take heart in the thought that their pittance will help someone? This is spitting in the face of all those who are *not* helped... NO! Rather it is spitting in their face, and then turning away while they die, alone, in pain. You sick, heartless, selfish fools. And then to look for some sort of approval? Praise?! Commendation?!! It doesn't end with this tsunami, either. I saw a woman drinking coffee this morning, smiling at the warmth of the sun on a beautiful day... WHILE CHILDREN ARE SHOT LIKE RATS IN SOUTH AMERICA! I heard a man laugh at his good fortune not to have been hurt more severely falling off an icy stairs onto a cinder block... failing to acknowledge that while he was escaping with only fractures and bruises, NELSON MANDELA'S SON DIED OF AIDS! I listened to a woman's story of how acupuncture gained her some minor relief from the constant headaches she suffers from... but noticed she said nothing of THE FOURTEEN PEOPLE DEAD IN A TRAIN WRECK IN ITALY! X| I don't mean to attack you unduly, Brian - as heinous as your attitude is, you are far from alone. But open your eyes to the damage you do, to the insult that is trying to help some when not all can be helped, and the greater insult that is taking joy in anything, when others are suffering. Repent, find a dark hole somewhere, and sit motionless in darkness helping no-one and taking satisfaction in nothing, until starvation or the rats end your life as they've done with so many of those lives that you haven't helped. :| :rolleyes:
You left me high and dry and chanYou're quite right. I shall now wallow in the thought of all I can not accomplish, and quietly await death. For the weight of the world is on my shoulders whether they would bear it or not. BW
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brianwelsch wrote: I haven't heard a goddamn thing about how great it is that the world, including the US, has come together for support and relief in a time of need. Instead, it's more bitching about why there isn't more money, or how come it wasn't faster, or now what about the Africans. Yeah. That is right. It is fantastic that people have donated for relief efforts after 150,000 people have died from the Tsunami and it is not worth mentioning that more people die each week in Africa and those deaths could actually be prevented --- and at lower cost. Such matters should be passed over in silence. We wouldn't want to interfere with the Western world basking in the glory of its own compassion by drawing attention to all those glory-hogging Africans trying to get their deaths on the front page. People in the West need to be shielded from the truth so they can feel good about themselves. John Carson Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. Oscar Wilde
John Carson wrote: It is fantastic that people have donated for relief efforts Yes it is. The point is we shouldn't deminish the good we do simply because there is more work to be done. BW
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Get through it and learn how to fly. I know you will find a way...
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