Death penalty
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[ this is a reply to benjymous ] The original question hasn't been given any 1 votes and yet you have already been voted on twice. :-D
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
Guess the poor redneck death chair lovers are too afraid to comment though :laugh: -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Phoenix Paint - back from DPaint's ashes!
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Guess the poor redneck death chair lovers are too afraid to comment though :laugh: -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Phoenix Paint - back from DPaint's ashes!
Gees, how do you manage to do it with no effort involved... again you've inspired the 1 voters!
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
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Do you believe in death penalty? Why, and in what forms? / Why not? Regards, Björn Morén Stockholm, Sweden
Probably a soap box question, but the answer is no, because it doesn't work as a deterrent ( as proven by the USA ), it doesn't allow for retraction of sentence if someone is proven innocent, and it lowers society to the level of murderer. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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Probably a soap box question, but the answer is no, because it doesn't work as a deterrent ( as proven by the USA ), it doesn't allow for retraction of sentence if someone is proven innocent, and it lowers society to the level of murderer. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
I'm in favor of the death penalty, myself, but I'd like to thank you for stating the case against it so clearly and succinctly. I've never seen the "con" position so well defined. Nice job, Christian!:) "If it's Snowbird season, why can't we shoot them?" - Overheard in a bar in Bullhead City
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This subject might be hot enough to deserve to be explorated in the Soapbox[^], (the forum dedicated to controversial topics) instead of the Lounge, where the "Kid Sister Rule" applies. I'm sure you'll find in the SB all the political junkies you need to have a vibrant debate :)
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I had hoped for serious opinions. So it is not possible to discuss this topic without bursting into flame wars? When I come think about it, why would I ever post something in the Soapbox? I dont want anything but mature and respectful answers on any topic I can come up with. I find it disturbing that so many people direct the topic to the Soapbox. It kind of tells something about people in general and their abilities of discussion. :-) Regards, Björn Morén Stockholm, Sweden
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Probably a soap box question, but the answer is no, because it doesn't work as a deterrent ( as proven by the USA ), it doesn't allow for retraction of sentence if someone is proven innocent, and it lowers society to the level of murderer. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
So it can never work as a deterrent, just because it supposedly (all people do not agree) doesnt work in the US? Sure, the retraction part is impossible. So is the resurrection of the innocent people killed by serial murderers. Would you say that collecting tax lowers the society to the level of thieves? I guess the question of death penalty comes down to the issue of what would be a just penalty for the ultimate crime. The deterrent, retraction and society effects are very subjective and can be proven either way depending on mind set. Regards, Björn Morén Stockholm, Sweden
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I had hoped for serious opinions. So it is not possible to discuss this topic without bursting into flame wars? When I come think about it, why would I ever post something in the Soapbox? I dont want anything but mature and respectful answers on any topic I can come up with. I find it disturbing that so many people direct the topic to the Soapbox. It kind of tells something about people in general and their abilities of discussion. :-) Regards, Björn Morén Stockholm, Sweden
bjoernen wrote: So it is not possible to discuss this topic without bursting into flame wars? Well...do you feel lucky? :-D bjoernen wrote: would I ever post something in the Soapbox? There are many reasons. First, the SB is unmoderated, offering then more freedom in the answers and let webmasters free of responsibility about the topics. Next, the Lounge is CP's "common place", and there we have to take care to avoid to hurt other people feelings (with the notable exception of VB users, but it's for educational purpose :rolleyes: ). Many people are not interested in politics and would feel attacked and/or unconfortable to deal with such subjects in the Lounge. And because we are well-educated and take care of CP's traditions, we respect that :) And come on, it's much funnier in the SB.
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Gees, how do you manage to do it with no effort involved... again you've inspired the 1 voters!
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
Just takes pure talent, I guess. It's a shame that there's no way of knowing who voted a topic down - I wonder if I've upset someone enough to have gained myself a faithful 1 voter who'll show his contempt whenever I post.. God, I've dreamed of this day! -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Phoenix Paint - back from DPaint's ashes!
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So it can never work as a deterrent, just because it supposedly (all people do not agree) doesnt work in the US? Sure, the retraction part is impossible. So is the resurrection of the innocent people killed by serial murderers. Would you say that collecting tax lowers the society to the level of thieves? I guess the question of death penalty comes down to the issue of what would be a just penalty for the ultimate crime. The deterrent, retraction and society effects are very subjective and can be proven either way depending on mind set. Regards, Björn Morén Stockholm, Sweden
bjoernen wrote: So it can never work as a deterrent, just because it supposedly (all people do not agree) doesnt work in the US? Well, the USA has the worlds highest incidence of murder, so you tell me if it works, or if it just brutalises society. It proves that it's not guarenteed to work. If you believe that somehow killing people differently will have a different effect, that's up to you. bjoernen wrote: Sure, the retraction part is impossible. So is the resurrection of the innocent people killed by serial murderers. This is precisely my point. You want to take the same role as a serial killer, killing almost without discrimination, and happy to kill some innocents so you can have your revenge on the guilty. bjoernen wrote: Would you say that collecting tax lowers the society to the level of thieves? No, I think that speed cameras lower society to the level of thieves. Taxes serve a purpose. bjoernen wrote: The deterrent, retraction and society effects are very subjective and can be proven either way depending on mind set. Yeah, the pro death people can fudge the numbers, I agree. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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bjoernen wrote: So it can never work as a deterrent, just because it supposedly (all people do not agree) doesnt work in the US? Well, the USA has the worlds highest incidence of murder, so you tell me if it works, or if it just brutalises society. It proves that it's not guarenteed to work. If you believe that somehow killing people differently will have a different effect, that's up to you. bjoernen wrote: Sure, the retraction part is impossible. So is the resurrection of the innocent people killed by serial murderers. This is precisely my point. You want to take the same role as a serial killer, killing almost without discrimination, and happy to kill some innocents so you can have your revenge on the guilty. bjoernen wrote: Would you say that collecting tax lowers the society to the level of thieves? No, I think that speed cameras lower society to the level of thieves. Taxes serve a purpose. bjoernen wrote: The deterrent, retraction and society effects are very subjective and can be proven either way depending on mind set. Yeah, the pro death people can fudge the numbers, I agree. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer