To convince a smoker to quit...
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Easy!!! introduce him/her to Jesus Christ. He/she will end smoking (plus many alphas, including drinking) when Jesus comes into him/her life. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote: plus many alphas What's an alpha?
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Guys, trying to convince someone not to smoke. To do that, I need some strong visual effect - any good picture/photo illustrating effect of tobacco use on skin? :confused: Norman Fung
You can't, and in fact it may be useless and counterproductive. You have to understand logic doesn't work with addicted people. If it did, they wouldn't be addicted at first. Also, don't minimize the pleasure smokers get with tobacco, you're asking them to make a sacrifice. Generally, smokers know pretty well all the inconvenients generated by this addiction. Showing them harsh pictures might generate a rejection not towards tobacco, but towards you: you may loose some friends in the process. In a way, people are free to do what they want, as long as they don't harm you. So if you can ask them not to smoke when you here (be prepared to the fact they may quite well ask you to leave instead), you have to tolerate their habits, you can't "make the good against somebody's will" Deciding to quit is a long process, and only the smoker can do the way. IMO, the best incentive to stop smoking is the example of somebody stopping.
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maybe a trifle radical but hey... MIND YOUR OWN DAMN BUSINESS!!! or, put a little more mildly, live and let live! Rob Manderson I'm working on a version for Visual Lisp++ My (occasional) blog http://blogs.wdevs.com/ultramaroon/[^]
Rob Manderson wrote: put a little more mildly, live and let live! "Live and let die" would be more accurate ;):)
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well, although it's tough trying to stop someone from smoking, here some ideas. (Never stop trying :-)) - Calculate the annual cost of cigarettes/sigares AND (important) give some examples of what he/she could do with the money instead. - Canada I think has pictures on their packs of cigarettes including teeth, liver, etc... You can probably google for that. - Here in Belgium there is a large text on the packs saying: "ROKEN IS DODELIJK" which means "SMOKING KILLS". (there are some other texts too) Other countries probably have something similar. - google for some scientific papers on the consequences... good luck. "If I don't see you in this world, I'll see you in the next one... and don't be late." ~ Jimi Hendrix
V. wrote: Other countries probably have something similar. It's an european directive[^], all the members of the EU should have implemented it.
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Rob Manderson wrote: put a little more mildly, live and let live! "Live and let die" would be more accurate ;):)
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K(arl) wrote: "Live and let die" would be more accurate True enough! But my point still stands; it's my business and no one elses if I choose to smoke. But see here[^] for further thoughts. Rob Manderson I'm working on a version for Visual Lisp++ My (occasional) blog http://blogs.wdevs.com/ultramaroon/[^]
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Guys, trying to convince someone not to smoke. To do that, I need some strong visual effect - any good picture/photo illustrating effect of tobacco use on skin? :confused: Norman Fung
Many people like to smoke. My Gran did. She smoked 40 cigarettes a day up until she died. She really enjoyed smoking. When she came to see us she would stand at the back door and smoke. No matter how many times she saw images of smokers lungs (there are always non-smoking campains shown every year on television here in the UK) it never made her want to quit smoking. As others have said, each to their own (they will inevitably make their own mind up). Ant. I'm hard, yet soft.
I'm coloured, yet clear.
I'm fruity and sweet.
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Guys, trying to convince someone not to smoke. To do that, I need some strong visual effect - any good picture/photo illustrating effect of tobacco use on skin? :confused: Norman Fung
Don't bother, it doesn't work. When I used to smoke, those "Every Cigarette is doing you Damage" ads that were on in Australia just made me want to go and light up.:sigh: You'll find that you fiend knows all of the evidence, and exactly how it is killing them and still they wont quit. The only way they will be able to quit is when they decide for themselves to quit and no external pressure will have any effect whatsoever. The only thing that you can do is hope that they will "see the light" one day and be a good supportive friend when they do.:)
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K(arl) wrote: "Live and let die" would be more accurate True enough! But my point still stands; it's my business and no one elses if I choose to smoke. But see here[^] for further thoughts. Rob Manderson I'm working on a version for Visual Lisp++ My (occasional) blog http://blogs.wdevs.com/ultramaroon/[^]
It is definitley your personal decision whether or not to smoke at home. Anyway, please don't force other people to smell your smoke, by smoking in front of them. Your choice was smoke, but other people's choices were health/fresh air/freedom from addiction/money/whatever. If you want to be free to smoke, you have to let others be free to breathe, and the only way to do so is to smoke only at home. :suss: _________________________________ Vote '1' if you're too lazy for a discussion
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Guys, trying to convince someone not to smoke. To do that, I need some strong visual effect - any good picture/photo illustrating effect of tobacco use on skin? :confused: Norman Fung
Patient: Doctor, I want live to be eighty? Doctor: Well, do you drink, smoke, chase women, or gamble? Patient: I don't drink. I never smoked. I rarely gamble and I never runaround with women. Doctor: Then tell me... why do you want to live to be eighty?
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Paul Selormey wrote: plus many alphas What's an alpha?
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David Wulff wrote: What's an alpha? A bug ridden software release. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Guys, trying to convince someone not to smoke. To do that, I need some strong visual effect - any good picture/photo illustrating effect of tobacco use on skin? :confused: Norman Fung
He would have had a talk with your friend, and whilst it is always going to be their decision to smoke it would at least have given them first hand experience of the dangers of smoking when it all finally catches up on you... and with our increasing life expectancies it will eventually catch up on you. He was given six months to live after his first heart attack caused by smoking, when he was about 60, after having smoked every day since he was in his mid teens. He then went on to live to 93 - another third of his life - not smoking a single cigarette but fighting daily with the consequences. The last five years of his life where spent in his flat connected to an oxygen machine because his lungs weren't working properly (his natural blood oxygen count was 60/100, he would run out of breath standing up). Smoking gave him asthma, a heart attack, ongoing heart problems, lung disease, and it took away his freedom. In its final strike it killed him: he suffered another heart attack that he didn't wake up from last May. If the first one had killed him he would never have seen his son married, his four grand children, his two great grand children, or had his Diamond Wedding Anniversary. He only survived it because of his occupation - he was a nurseryman so he spent the day outside in what was back then clean fresh air; something not many people experience anymore. He was a very lucky man to have lived as long as he did and to get to see the things that he did. He quit smoking almost 35 years ago after a single incident before which he felt fine - but the effects of all that abuse do not go away. The biggest reason to stop smoking should be for the people you care about, no one can want their friends and families to have to go through that with you.
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: dwulffEverybody is entitled to my opinion
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well, although it's tough trying to stop someone from smoking, here some ideas. (Never stop trying :-)) - Calculate the annual cost of cigarettes/sigares AND (important) give some examples of what he/she could do with the money instead. - Canada I think has pictures on their packs of cigarettes including teeth, liver, etc... You can probably google for that. - Here in Belgium there is a large text on the packs saying: "ROKEN IS DODELIJK" which means "SMOKING KILLS". (there are some other texts too) Other countries probably have something similar. - google for some scientific papers on the consequences... good luck. "If I don't see you in this world, I'll see you in the next one... and don't be late." ~ Jimi Hendrix
V. wrote: Here in Belgium there is a large text on the packs saying: "ROKEN IS DODELIJK" which means "SMOKING KILLS". Really? I'd have translated that as "Smoking is deadly" (Sorry, I'll stop being pedantic now)
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Of course but that is not the question possed in this thread. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
Paul Watson wrote: Of course but that is not the question possed in this thread. True, but when has that ever stopped anyone changing the subject? ;)
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It is definitley your personal decision whether or not to smoke at home. Anyway, please don't force other people to smell your smoke, by smoking in front of them. Your choice was smoke, but other people's choices were health/fresh air/freedom from addiction/money/whatever. If you want to be free to smoke, you have to let others be free to breathe, and the only way to do so is to smoke only at home. :suss: _________________________________ Vote '1' if you're too lazy for a discussion
Corinna John wrote: It is definitley your personal decision whether or not to smoke at home And if you don't live alone, especially if others in the home are too young to argue on their own behalf? I'm sure the reason neither my brother nor I ever started smoking was because we hated our parents smoking so much (I guess one could argue that they did us a favour). When my Dad developed emphysema I was so angry by how selfish his actions were in stealing years from us which we wanted to spend with him. Fortunately, although it can never be cured, it's very mild and now, almost 10 years later, he has no problems cycling 40Km's with us - in fact sometimes we struggle to keep up :). Still, it's a pity people don't think more about these things - many kids have lost their parents too young :(.
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Guys, trying to convince someone not to smoke. To do that, I need some strong visual effect - any good picture/photo illustrating effect of tobacco use on skin? :confused: Norman Fung
If you're going to try and get someone to quit smoking, don't become that nagging annoying non-smoker. It generally doesn't help, you may actually drive them to smoke more. Having said that, occasional reminders aren't a bad thing. Smoker's, by and large, are plenty aware of the damage they are causing themselves, but push it out their minds so they can enjoy a nice relaxing shot of nicotine. They already know they need to quit, and sometimes already feel like failures at some level for not doing so. Your best bet is to help them develop a system to quit. Whether they think cold turkey will work better or reducing over time that's up to them. Support them in quitting, become a part of it. Don't be surprised when they light up again after not smoking for a few days though, and don't chastise them for it either. Just help them get back to quitting. It may take a long time, but if you give up they probably will too. Just remember that it's really not your decision, it's theirs. They will quit when they are ready to, you're just there to help. Good Luck. BW
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He would have had a talk with your friend, and whilst it is always going to be their decision to smoke it would at least have given them first hand experience of the dangers of smoking when it all finally catches up on you... and with our increasing life expectancies it will eventually catch up on you. He was given six months to live after his first heart attack caused by smoking, when he was about 60, after having smoked every day since he was in his mid teens. He then went on to live to 93 - another third of his life - not smoking a single cigarette but fighting daily with the consequences. The last five years of his life where spent in his flat connected to an oxygen machine because his lungs weren't working properly (his natural blood oxygen count was 60/100, he would run out of breath standing up). Smoking gave him asthma, a heart attack, ongoing heart problems, lung disease, and it took away his freedom. In its final strike it killed him: he suffered another heart attack that he didn't wake up from last May. If the first one had killed him he would never have seen his son married, his four grand children, his two great grand children, or had his Diamond Wedding Anniversary. He only survived it because of his occupation - he was a nurseryman so he spent the day outside in what was back then clean fresh air; something not many people experience anymore. He was a very lucky man to have lived as long as he did and to get to see the things that he did. He quit smoking almost 35 years ago after a single incident before which he felt fine - but the effects of all that abuse do not go away. The biggest reason to stop smoking should be for the people you care about, no one can want their friends and families to have to go through that with you.
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: dwulffEverybody is entitled to my opinion
For your grandfathers generation smoking was a very different affair. Back then the health problems were unknown. Even my mother, who still smokes a few a day, says that she would never have started in her teens had she known all that we know today about smoking. Aside from that I don't agree with your arguement when the person in question has no dependants. It's their choice. If they regret it then fine, still no reason for others to be coerced into quiting. We are adults, we have choice, we do many, many things that are bad for our health but pleasurable to our lives. Give them all up to live a bit longer or to please grandkids? No thanks. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
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For your grandfathers generation smoking was a very different affair. Back then the health problems were unknown. Even my mother, who still smokes a few a day, says that she would never have started in her teens had she known all that we know today about smoking. Aside from that I don't agree with your arguement when the person in question has no dependants. It's their choice. If they regret it then fine, still no reason for others to be coerced into quiting. We are adults, we have choice, we do many, many things that are bad for our health but pleasurable to our lives. Give them all up to live a bit longer or to please grandkids? No thanks. regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
Paul Watson wrote: Back then the health problems were unknown. Not exactly true. James VI and I[^] wrote A Counterblast To Tobacco in 1604 (though he relaxed on it a bit later on when he realised he could tax it). While the amount of knowledge about the problems of smoking can only ever increase, the zero on that graph doesn't lie in our grandfathers' generation. Gavin Greig "Haw, you're no deid," girned Charon. "Get aff ma boat or ah'll report ye." Matthew Fitt - The Hoose O Haivers: The Twelve Trauchles O Heracles.
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V. wrote: Here in Belgium there is a large text on the packs saying: "ROKEN IS DODELIJK" which means "SMOKING KILLS". Really? I'd have translated that as "Smoking is deadly" (Sorry, I'll stop being pedantic now)
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So what your saying is my english is bad? :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :laugh: I think they both have about the same meaning, but literally, you're right. (and I always thought my English was very good (for non-native speaker), :omg:, back to the books, ...) "If I don't see you in this world, I'll see you in the next one... and don't be late." ~ Jimi Hendrix
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So what your saying is my english is bad? :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :laugh: I think they both have about the same meaning, but literally, you're right. (and I always thought my English was very good (for non-native speaker), :omg:, back to the books, ...) "If I don't see you in this world, I'll see you in the next one... and don't be late." ~ Jimi Hendrix
Actually, I just thought you has seen packets of Cigarettes in the UK and the equivalent message is: Smoking Kills Like I said, I'll stop being pedantic now.
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Easy!!! introduce him/her to Jesus Christ. He/she will end smoking (plus many alphas, including drinking) when Jesus comes into him/her life. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
It does not work. I have a friend who is a very dedicated new born Christian and he has been trying to quit for two years now. No luck yet.