Would you move to Redmond just to work for Microsoft?

Matt Newman

Yes.... Its always been a dream to work for Microsoft. Besides I know I'll never get the same take-home pay locally. Matt Newman
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brianwelsch

If by take-home pay you're including all benefits(401k match, insurance, bonuses, vacation time, etc..), then it'd be tough to get me to move just because its MS. I guess if I was looking for a change of scenary for a while, then I'd give it more consideration. (distance from friends and family, etc) BW

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Anna Jayne Metcalfe

Marc Clifton wrote: But to answer your question, I like being a stressed out consultant with my own time and schedule. If I can avoid it at all, I will never go back to 8-5 employment. Having been freelance since last August I feel the same way now. Of course, as we're concentrating on developing our own products things are pretty tight at the moment, but it is a challenge I've wanted to persue for some time now, and I don't regret that choice. Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.

wrykyn

No, but I'm not really a programmer..so I guess the question doesn't really apply "One of the Georges," said Psmith, "I forget which, once said that a certain number of hours' sleep a day--I cannot recall for the moment how many--made a man something, which for the time being has slipped my memory."

Neville Franks

I haven't worked for anyone for around 20 years now and figure I became unemployable about 15 years ago.:-D It takes me 30 seconds to get to work, I have no office politics, no staff, work very long hours, am in total control over what I do and when I do it, and make a reasonable living. I wouldn't want it any other way. Neville Franks, Author of ED for Windows www.getsoft.com and Surfulater www.surfulater.com "Save what you Surf"

Jerry Hammond

Ok, I need to qualify my answers by reminding everyone that I'm a hobbiest--the lowliest of the low. James R. Twine wrote: Meaning, if you could get a "XYZ" position locally, for about the same take-home pay, would you up and move to Redmond just because you would be working for Microsoft? Hell YES! Of any state I would want to live in besides my home state it would be Washington. Working for Microsoft would just be icing on that cake. Yup, I will say it...I LIKE MICROSOFT. Yup. And I like Microsoft for a gazillion reasons. (Any explanation would be wasted time on those who demand an explanation for my pro-Microsoft stance. They just wouldn't get it) James R. Twine wrote: Obvious, having a family changes things a bit, so under what conditions would you move or not? Wife? Wife and 1 Kid? Wife and 2 Kids? Etc. You mean I couldn't take them with me? Jerry He said this was like painstakingly assembling the first layer of a house of cards, then boasting that the next 15,000 layers were a mere formality.--The Code Book, pp. 331 Toasty0.com DotNetGroup.org

Rocky Moore

I guess it would depend on many factors: 1) Will you end up divorced if you move :) 2) Do you have family where you live that you wish to leave :) 3) Do you desire to live in the Pacific Northwest with snow-capped mountains, clean air and water (in most places) and enjoy the outdoors. 4) Do you have a fantasy about living next door to volcanoes. 5) Do you enjoy being around other geeks 6) Do you want to play with some of the latest technology that the rest of the world does not even know about 7) Do you want to work for a company that you know will be around to pay your check longer than a year 8) Do you wish to be in a place where there is usually always room for advancement 9) Do you want to include the "Microsoft" label on your resume. I always wonder about this one, if you have it on your resume, what could possibly be the reason for leaving ;) While these are not all that serious, it really depends on who you are, what you like, where you want to go and how serious you are as a developer. I would have loved to work at MS in my younger years simply to be around all that geekness and stay ahead of technology. The problem is that you and I are only have of what matters as the family we have is the other half. In the end, it really matters what is best for the family. I would imagine though that the financial aspects are not that important, as I would imagine your pay and promotions at MS will directly relate to how much you put into it. In a short time, you could possibly be earning even more. Rocky <>< VS.NET 200? beta 2 coming soon with Go-Live [^]

Rick York

Make sure you consider housing costs in the take-home pay. That area has had its cost of housing skyrocket since MS moved in and became successful.

Chris Maunder

Redmond is a beautiful place. A little boring but Seattle is only 45 mins away. The weather is mild (though Summers can be nice and hot), winters wet but plenty of skiing within an hours drive. Lots of greenery and scenery, awesome cycling paths, tons of rock climbing and heaps of clean air. The traffic sucks though. cheers, Chris Maunder

Brian Delahunty

Chris Maunder wrote: The weather is mild (though Summers can be nice and hot), winters wet Ok... sounding a lot like Ireland.... Chris Maunder wrote: plenty of skiing within an hours drive. ... ROTFLMAO... nothing like Ireland so. I love skiing since Ulla thought 2 Christmases ago. There is simply nothing better than hurtling down the side of a mountain knowing that you are only a split second away from squishing that little kid who decided it would be funny to stop just over the crest of that compressed pack of snow.... knowing that at any minute you could end up with your face stuck in the snow... knowing that at lunch tie you can go for a few beers on the side of a mountain and txt the guys back home where it is raining.... Arrrrraaagghhhhh... I want to go skiing....!!!! Will try to get some in Austria in March. Chris Maunder wrote: Lots of greenery and scenery ... ok, getting like Ireland again... You are making this place sound like heaven Chris... Ireland, but with skiing! Wohoo! Regards, Brian Dela :-) Now Bloging![^]

BrockVnm

For me I think it would depend on the position. For a few reasons.... 1.) I have family and friends here and I really love my current job and company. It just dont know if I would want to move away from it all. 2.) I think Microsoft makes amazing products and I would love to work for them, however it is such a hugh company that I think I would feel weird getting lost in such a hugh company. That being said, I have a co-worker thats brother works on the team that is developing Longhorn and he says that he loves working for Microsoft. The work and job is amazing. His biggest complaint is that it feels weird because the company is so big he feels like he is just a spoke in the wheel. He said it is a very odd feeling because the company is so big. I had a conversation like this with a friend of mine and he was saying he would start off working for Microsoft if he had to start by cleaning the bathrooms. The best part is all he does is bash Microsoft because he loves Mac's and Microsoft is evil...yet he would still do anything to work there...funny how you can bad mouth the company every waking moment of the day yet still want to work for them. It was kind of funny to hear it from someone that constantly tells me I should get a Mac becuase windows sucks....:laugh:

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Chris Maunder

Yeah - it's a nice place. They all speak funny, though, so beware. And Brian - what on earth are you doing on ski's? Get thee a snowboard[^]! cheers, Chris Maunder

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Brian Delahunty wrote: Will try to get some in Austria in March. Too much information dude! :-D -- My name in Katakana is ヨルゲン. My name in German is Jörgen. I blog too now[^]

Brian Delahunty

Chris Maunder wrote: what on earth are you doing on ski's? Ulla can't snowboard* and she was the teacher... * Ok, she can... but not too good so I felt safer with her teaching my skiing ;-) (you ever tell her I said that and you die!) Chris Maunder wrote: Get thee a snowboard[^]! Mark, her brother, keeps saying this too (man he is a good snowboarder)... I'm going to give it a go next time I get to a mountain with some snow on it... so I can fall over in the snow a few times again... Regards, Brian Dela :-) Now Bloging![^]

Brian Delahunty

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Too much information dude! Hey... don't knock it until you've tried it! ;-) Regards, Brian Dela :-) Now Bloging![^]

Chris Maunder

Get lessons. Don't rely on a mate teaching you because then you get their bad habits. It's a good investment, trust me. cheers, Chris Maunder

Roger Wright

Nope. For one, I'd have to blow my alleged brains out if forced to live in that miserable climate year round. It rains 300 days a year, or looks like it's going to any moment. God knows I live in an even worse climate, but after 12 years I'm beginning to get used to it. A little. Some days... Secondly, I've put down deep roots here, and though it's a rather small pond, I've become a fairly large frog. People here look to me for many things, and my circle of friends grows ever wider. It's a good feeling to be respected and regarded as a community leader, even if it's a tiny community. It's taken a lot of years of hard work to con that many people into liking me, and I'm nearly ready to make my big score before suddenly leaving town. Also, though probably not lastly, I'm really having fun in my new job. It's been a very long time since I awoke in the morning looking forward to walking in the door at work - about 20 years. I work for peanuts, but by local standards it's a great paying job. I get variety - last week was transferring accounts from one billing system to a new one - a task not yet completed - but today I was called out trace existing wiring in a 69kV substation and plan new wiring for the new 20MW transformer we're installing Wednesday. Later they had me out photographing another substation while the crew moved a major transformer into service, and taking snaps of the team transporting a huge (about 100') steel power pole to a new site. Since I have the camera I guess I'm the new publicity officer - I'm writing press releases, too. The office has a full kitchen, and nearly every day someone brings in a bunch of stuff to cook for lunch and serve everyone. I'm still deciding what to contribute to that effort - Chris' Chicken Curry recipe maybe? Once upon a time, when I was young and more full of ambition than values I would have jumped at the chance. But now, I'll take a quality life over a high-prestige position anyday. I've got enough to put food and beer in the fridge, pay the bills and taxes, pay off a little of the debt accumulated over the years of unemployment, and fix up my boat. I've got a relatively large group of friends, a family that doesn't cause too much embarrassment when I take them out in public, and a diverse collection of knowledge, skills, and experience that few people can match. If I could add a partner to spoil and to share it all with, my life would be perfect. Well, maybe a puppy, too. What has Microsoft got to offer that I don't have? :-D "If

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Nice comeback! :-D -- My name in Katakana is ヨルゲン. My name in German is Jörgen. I blog too now[^]

Brian Delahunty

Chris Maunder wrote: Get lessons. Don't rely on a mate teaching you because then you get their bad habits. It's a good investment, trust me. :-) I'll do that. They aren't too expensive in the few places I normally go too (St. Johan, Steinplatte, Westendorf, Kossen in Austria and Feldberg and Winlkemosalm in Germany). Who knows, I might be able to snowboard by the time you get to Europe :-) Regards, Brian Dela :-) Now Bloging![^]