rentacoder are scum
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I guess Rentacoder get's to keep the money if they don't pay you?
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrEverybody is entitled to my opinion
They return it to the buyer, who is saying that unless I am willing to be 'more accomodating', they want to 'return' my code and start again with some one else. return my code ? If RAC allow that, they are total idiots. I'm sure they still keep their fee though. And the system overall is designed to help buyers, because it's buyers who pump money into the sysem. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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They return it to the buyer, who is saying that unless I am willing to be 'more accomodating', they want to 'return' my code and start again with some one else. return my code ? If RAC allow that, they are total idiots. I'm sure they still keep their fee though. And the system overall is designed to help buyers, because it's buyers who pump money into the sysem. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Indeed. It's a backward idea to start with, but to set those as the conditions... you have no chance. To just look at what some of the people are proposing on that site and for the peanuts they are prepared to give out you have to wonder - who in their right mind thought it could ever work? Because they were geniuses! When you have a global bidding site like that the prices will always fall to the lowest denominator, and there will always be some kid that can work a month for £5 pocket money. The fact you can often do a measurably better job in a fraction of the time and give the buyer a more useful solution is irrelavent because the whole RAC approach cuts out any way to do the normal requirements and analysis work. It's like trying to build entire systems using nothing more than the average question from the VC++ forum here on CP. But that doesnt matter to RAC because they get the same amount of money from lots of small transactions as from a couple of big ones (probably more because people are greedy), and it doesnt matter to the buyers because they were too fucking stupid to approach a software house in the first place. I always feel kind of guilty hearing about your RAC troubles because the one time I used RAC back in 2001 I got accepted for a job that became a couple of big projects outside of RAC, but, erm, *cough*, again you didn't hear that from me. I got lucky. I hope you do too in getting your money out of these bastards. Any chance you can give one last update that is actually just a few MB of random latin and a time-bombed executable? Scum. X|
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrEverybody is entitled to my opinion
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Indeed. It's a backward idea to start with, but to set those as the conditions... you have no chance. To just look at what some of the people are proposing on that site and for the peanuts they are prepared to give out you have to wonder - who in their right mind thought it could ever work? Because they were geniuses! When you have a global bidding site like that the prices will always fall to the lowest denominator, and there will always be some kid that can work a month for £5 pocket money. The fact you can often do a measurably better job in a fraction of the time and give the buyer a more useful solution is irrelavent because the whole RAC approach cuts out any way to do the normal requirements and analysis work. It's like trying to build entire systems using nothing more than the average question from the VC++ forum here on CP. But that doesnt matter to RAC because they get the same amount of money from lots of small transactions as from a couple of big ones (probably more because people are greedy), and it doesnt matter to the buyers because they were too fucking stupid to approach a software house in the first place. I always feel kind of guilty hearing about your RAC troubles because the one time I used RAC back in 2001 I got accepted for a job that became a couple of big projects outside of RAC, but, erm, *cough*, again you didn't hear that from me. I got lucky. I hope you do too in getting your money out of these bastards. Any chance you can give one last update that is actually just a few MB of random latin and a time-bombed executable? Scum. X|
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrEverybody is entitled to my opinion
I surf the projects on RAC just for ideas. The prices they are willing to pay for projects is ridicioulsly low; A minimum wage job would pay better. Cheers, -Erik
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I have done a RAC job, and the buyer keeps adding stuff for me to do. So I've gone into arbitration, and now they tell me that if they find one bug or missing feature in my work ( which is likely, given that I've been rejecting the new work he's been setting ), they will find against me and I will get zero. Not a percentage payment for work done, zero. What scumbags. I will never work via a third party website again. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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I surf the projects on RAC just for ideas. The prices they are willing to pay for projects is ridicioulsly low; A minimum wage job would pay better. Cheers, -Erik
Yeah, I've seen jobs there for $5 a day. There was a job going for $5000+, I bid $20,000 and it went to someone who offered to do it for $3000. Another job, I bid $12000, it was a good 3 months work. It went for $50 !!! Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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I have done a RAC job, and the buyer keeps adding stuff for me to do. So I've gone into arbitration, and now they tell me that if they find one bug or missing feature in my work ( which is likely, given that I've been rejecting the new work he's been setting ), they will find against me and I will get zero. Not a percentage payment for work done, zero. What scumbags. I will never work via a third party website again. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
I checked it out just now for the first time. People are posting their homework there for 10 bucks a problem. Sad state of affairs indeed. "One of the Georges," said Psmith, "I forget which, once said that a certain number of hours' sleep a day--I cannot recall for the moment how many--made a man something, which for the time being has slipped my memory."
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I have done a RAC job, and the buyer keeps adding stuff for me to do. So I've gone into arbitration, and now they tell me that if they find one bug or missing feature in my work ( which is likely, given that I've been rejecting the new work he's been setting ), they will find against me and I will get zero. Not a percentage payment for work done, zero. What scumbags. I will never work via a third party website again. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Christian Graus wrote: I will never work via a third party website again. Call me stupid if you like, but I still can't understand why anyone would at all. There are no guarantees and heaps of risk. It's just not worth it.
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Yeah, I've seen jobs there for $5 a day. There was a job going for $5000+, I bid $20,000 and it went to someone who offered to do it for $3000. Another job, I bid $12000, it was a good 3 months work. It went for $50 !!! Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Christian Graus wrote: Another job, I bid $12000, it was a good 3 months work. It went for $50 !!! Undoubtedly, they will get what they've paid for, bugs-n-all! X|
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I have done a RAC job, and the buyer keeps adding stuff for me to do. So I've gone into arbitration, and now they tell me that if they find one bug or missing feature in my work ( which is likely, given that I've been rejecting the new work he's been setting ), they will find against me and I will get zero. Not a percentage payment for work done, zero. What scumbags. I will never work via a third party website again. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
With so many bad experiences with RAC, why are you persisting with them, CG? Nish
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They return it to the buyer, who is saying that unless I am willing to be 'more accomodating', they want to 'return' my code and start again with some one else. return my code ? If RAC allow that, they are total idiots. I'm sure they still keep their fee though. And the system overall is designed to help buyers, because it's buyers who pump money into the sysem. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Just a thought, Christian... Why not start your own site to market the skills of coders? Do the counterattack thing. You have about 1.7 million coding friends and associates, of which at least 7 or 8 are better at it than you. Why not market them and collect a small percentage of fees paid for your services? You have some advantages - your buyers can be assured of quality work done by published, and extensively peer-reviewed programmers. They can check the quality themselves, simply by browsing the articles here. Your are a long-time member here, and are respected and trusted by all - your sellers would have little trouble trusting you to negotiate for them. Most programmers are not socially adept and might very well appreciate having someone to rustle up new opportunities for them and save them the terror of dealing with customers in negotiations. You would be offerring a win-win situation for all, and you'd earn every penny you collect by matching quality customers with quality suppliers of professional code. All you need is a bit of marketing skill to get the ball rolling. Oh, and a website, too. Think about it... I'll even waive my usual "good idea" fee of 5% of the gross for you. "If it's Snowbird season, why can't we shoot them?" - Overheard in a bar in Bullhead City
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With so many bad experiences with RAC, why are you persisting with them, CG? Nish
I don't, Nish. I'm still trying to get payment for one job I did over Xmas. Beyond that, I am done with them, and have been for a while. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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I don't, Nish. I'm still trying to get payment for one job I did over Xmas. Beyond that, I am done with them, and have been for a while. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Christian Graus wrote: I'm still trying to get payment for one job I did over Xmas. Good luck with that...
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Christian Graus wrote: Another job, I bid $12000, it was a good 3 months work. It went for $50 !!! Undoubtedly, they will get what they've paid for, bugs-n-all! X|
Paul Lyons, CCPL
Certified Code Project Lurkeri Just want to Borrow your prestigious CCPL certificate,Could I? or what certification test i have to passed for that? :-D
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Just a thought, Christian... Why not start your own site to market the skills of coders? Do the counterattack thing. You have about 1.7 million coding friends and associates, of which at least 7 or 8 are better at it than you. Why not market them and collect a small percentage of fees paid for your services? You have some advantages - your buyers can be assured of quality work done by published, and extensively peer-reviewed programmers. They can check the quality themselves, simply by browsing the articles here. Your are a long-time member here, and are respected and trusted by all - your sellers would have little trouble trusting you to negotiate for them. Most programmers are not socially adept and might very well appreciate having someone to rustle up new opportunities for them and save them the terror of dealing with customers in negotiations. You would be offerring a win-win situation for all, and you'd earn every penny you collect by matching quality customers with quality suppliers of professional code. All you need is a bit of marketing skill to get the ball rolling. Oh, and a website, too. Think about it... I'll even waive my usual "good idea" fee of 5% of the gross for you. "If it's Snowbird season, why can't we shoot them?" - Overheard in a bar in Bullhead City
Roger Wright wrote: Why not start your own site to market the skills of coders? Do the counterattack thing. This is a great idea, in theory. The biggest downside that I see to a site like this is, if a business is looking for cheap work, as many profitable business' are, they are gonna go to the RAC (aka: Rent-A-Code-Whore) sites so they can get the cheap rates, take advantage of hobbyist coders and do as they did to the guy starting this thread. However, with that said, a site structured around the coders, portraying a higher standard of finished product instead of low cost, will certainly see it's share of business. Marketing would need to focus on the idea of 'You get what you pay for'. Within the last month or so there was another person who posted here in CP with a subject line much like this one. Ideas were tossed around there as well about ways we as developers could counter attack this RAC problem many of us face. Think it's time to go look for it. Levi Rosol Blog By Levi[^]
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Roger Wright wrote: Why not start your own site to market the skills of coders? Do the counterattack thing. This is a great idea, in theory. The biggest downside that I see to a site like this is, if a business is looking for cheap work, as many profitable business' are, they are gonna go to the RAC (aka: Rent-A-Code-Whore) sites so they can get the cheap rates, take advantage of hobbyist coders and do as they did to the guy starting this thread. However, with that said, a site structured around the coders, portraying a higher standard of finished product instead of low cost, will certainly see it's share of business. Marketing would need to focus on the idea of 'You get what you pay for'. Within the last month or so there was another person who posted here in CP with a subject line much like this one. Ideas were tossed around there as well about ways we as developers could counter attack this RAC problem many of us face. Think it's time to go look for it. Levi Rosol Blog By Levi[^]
Here's the link[^] Levi Rosol Blog By Levi[^]