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What an afternoon. I have just found out that an ex-colleague was earning about £2k a year more than me and had a lot less responsibility and experience (he was with the company a year longer than me but that wouldn't make any odds here). Added to that he left just before Christmas with nothing to go to and virtually walked into a job that pays 3K more than he was earning here. Why am I feeling cheated? Why do I just want to walk into the bosses office and have a major strop? :mad::mad::mad::mad: J
People aren't paid what they deserve. They're paid what they can negotiate for. Getting angry with your boss isn't the best way to confront him/her with this. It'll just put you in a bad (or worse?) position.
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What an afternoon. I have just found out that an ex-colleague was earning about £2k a year more than me and had a lot less responsibility and experience (he was with the company a year longer than me but that wouldn't make any odds here). Added to that he left just before Christmas with nothing to go to and virtually walked into a job that pays 3K more than he was earning here. Why am I feeling cheated? Why do I just want to walk into the bosses office and have a major strop? :mad::mad::mad::mad: J
jonathan15 wrote: Why am I feeling cheated? Because you are comparing apples to oranges. Employers do not pay what an employee is worth; they pay what the employee asks for. That sounds rather simplistic, but if you never asked for a 2K raise, why would your employer want to voluntarily give you one? I've found that employers are easily persuaded by fact (e.g., I've done some research comparing my skillset and responsibility to that of others in this industry and the numbers indicate I am underpaid. Can we discuss?), not emotion.
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What an afternoon. I have just found out that an ex-colleague was earning about £2k a year more than me and had a lot less responsibility and experience (he was with the company a year longer than me but that wouldn't make any odds here). Added to that he left just before Christmas with nothing to go to and virtually walked into a job that pays 3K more than he was earning here. Why am I feeling cheated? Why do I just want to walk into the bosses office and have a major strop? :mad::mad::mad::mad: J
jonathan15 wrote: Why am I feeling cheated? Jealousy is a fairly common emotion. It's also fairly self-destructive. No matter how objective you think you are in evaluating your own and your co-workers' wages, you most certainly are not. Many companies are quite serious about keeping wage information a secret, for this very reason. Unless you want tomorrow to be an even worse day, you'll get over it. Go for a walk, go for a drink, have a conversation about something totally not work related with someone who totally doesn't work with you. Happiness isn't something you can cash a check for.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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What an afternoon. I have just found out that an ex-colleague was earning about £2k a year more than me and had a lot less responsibility and experience (he was with the company a year longer than me but that wouldn't make any odds here). Added to that he left just before Christmas with nothing to go to and virtually walked into a job that pays 3K more than he was earning here. Why am I feeling cheated? Why do I just want to walk into the bosses office and have a major strop? :mad::mad::mad::mad: J
I don't know if anyone has ever told you this...Life is not fair! The sooner you learn the lesson, the better. Until you learn it and accept it, you will have a miserable life. You will always worry about what others are getting and what you don't have. It will affect your job performance and your relationship with your boss, which will further exacerbate the disparity. Take your focus off of others and look for ways to improve your value to the company. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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What an afternoon. I have just found out that an ex-colleague was earning about £2k a year more than me and had a lot less responsibility and experience (he was with the company a year longer than me but that wouldn't make any odds here). Added to that he left just before Christmas with nothing to go to and virtually walked into a job that pays 3K more than he was earning here. Why am I feeling cheated? Why do I just want to walk into the bosses office and have a major strop? :mad::mad::mad::mad: J
So someone else gets more than you for less work, and that's what you call "really a bad day"? You are in for a "Really bad life", 365 days a year, plus Feb 29th. Sorry, it had to be said. :rose:
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jonathan15 wrote: Why am I feeling cheated? Jealousy is a fairly common emotion. It's also fairly self-destructive. No matter how objective you think you are in evaluating your own and your co-workers' wages, you most certainly are not. Many companies are quite serious about keeping wage information a secret, for this very reason. Unless you want tomorrow to be an even worse day, you'll get over it. Go for a walk, go for a drink, have a conversation about something totally not work related with someone who totally doesn't work with you. Happiness isn't something you can cash a check for.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Yea this guy is right, just get over it. "Thou shalt not covet". If you are going to feel jealous about anyone who has less skill than you and makes more money than you, you will never be happy. Trust me, no matter how much you get paid, there will always be someone else who knows less than half as much as you that gets paid twice as much as you. -- Rocky Dean Pulley
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One word of advice here... Do not let anyone know that you have this information. It could get YOU fired. I had someone here do this.. They felt justified spouting off that they found out someone with lower years was making more than they were. They ended up getting fired for breaking the confidentaility rules regarding pay practices. If you don't like it... leave. Sorry to be sour grapes on you but it is the real world.
Paul Watson wrote: "At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall." George Carlin wrote: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things." Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If the physicists find a universal theory describing the laws of universe, I'm sure the asshole constant will be an integral part of that theory.
As far as I know there are no actual rules that prevent us from discussing our salaries with each other if we want to. But, I still wouldn't go spouting off about it. The company makes us feel undervalued in enough other ways that I don't have to throw in the 'they got paid more than me' argument. SuzyB If I had a better memory I would remember more.
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As far as I know there are no actual rules that prevent us from discussing our salaries with each other if we want to. But, I still wouldn't go spouting off about it. The company makes us feel undervalued in enough other ways that I don't have to throw in the 'they got paid more than me' argument. SuzyB If I had a better memory I would remember more.
Part of the employee agreement that I signed where I currently work (as well as just about every other place I have worked) is a statement that says wages are considered confidential both fro the standpoint of the employer as well as the employee and that NO ONE is allowed to divulge pay scale information to anyone while still employed. Often these statements are mixed in with all the other 'employee rules' and not easy to find. My current employer happed to make it a separate bit of paper and also made a big deal over driving home that discussions about salary were not allowed. We can discuss the employee levels we are at (engineer 1, 2, 3, etc…) but not the dollars we get. Personally I have never had a NEED to discuss my pay with anyone else. If someone makes more than me then so be it. Personally I think over the long haul it all works out in the wash. Durring the current business climate I have seen high paid people end up having their nice high salaries work against them when it comes time to 'cut the fat' so personally I like being middle of the road.
Paul Watson wrote: "At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall." George Carlin wrote: "Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things." Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: If the physicists find a universal theory describing the laws of universe, I'm sure the asshole constant will be an integral part of that theory.
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So someone else gets more than you for less work, and that's what you call "really a bad day"? You are in for a "Really bad life", 365 days a year, plus Feb 29th. Sorry, it had to be said. :rose:
I never really know a killer from a savior
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People aren't paid what they deserve. They're paid what they can negotiate for. Getting angry with your boss isn't the best way to confront him/her with this. It'll just put you in a bad (or worse?) position.
this is absolutely the truth. People don't get what they are worth, they get what they can negotiate.
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People aren't paid what they deserve. They're paid what they can negotiate for. Getting angry with your boss isn't the best way to confront him/her with this. It'll just put you in a bad (or worse?) position.
Absolutely, and that's what I think every time I see a rant about it. Some people are just better negotiators or more timely than others and that's the way it is. It behooves us all to determine and keep on top of exactly what we are worth at all times so we always know where we stand and can prove it if necessary during a review or other needful time. I.E. keep up on what the industry is paying.