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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The only pain in the ass is having to reinstall Window (because I have to reinstall all the freakin apps I have, too). On the other hand, 64-bit Linux should install with no hassles at all. You're not installing any apps with Linux? cheers, Chris Maunder
well, it's linux, he HAS to build them himself ...
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The only pain in the ass is having to reinstall Window (because I have to reinstall all the freakin apps I have, too). On the other hand, 64-bit Linux should install with no hassles at all. You're not installing any apps with Linux? cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: You're not installing any apps with Linux? No, because Linux users with any self respect, write all their own apps. :rolleyes: -- My name in Katakana is ヨルゲン. My name in German is Jörgen. My name in Mandarin/Kanji is 乔尔根 西格瓦德森. My name in Korean is 요르겐. I blog too now[^]
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MSI Neo2 Platinum motherboard AMD64 3500 (90nm) 1gb (2x512) OCZ PC3500 memory DangerDen Maze4 GPU waterblock DangerDen TDX CPU waterblock DangerDen D4 12-volt pump I already have a new video card (ATI X800XTPE). The only pain in the ass is having to reinstall Window (because I have to reinstall all the freakin apps I have, too). On the other hand, 64-bit Linux should install with no hassles at all. This system is gonna ROCK! ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
It would be great if you could continue your documentary on installing the water cooling stuff. I'm interested in seeing the installation process because I'm thinking about using water cooling whenever I get around to building a new system (my current box has like 6 fans total and the noise is annoying). --Mike-- LINKS~! Ericahist | 1ClickPicGrabber | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ Strange things are afoot at the U+004B U+20DD
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The only pain in the ass is having to reinstall Window (because I have to reinstall all the freakin apps I have, too). You don't need to: you can just re-run the Windows Setup, choose "not" to Repair, and, when installing, choose it to Repair (I know, it's weird) your installation: it will re-detect your HAL and all of your hardware. Then, you just apply SP2, run Windows Update and your machine is ready to go. I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
You mean this will successfully 'convert' normal XP to XP64? And why SP2 then? XP64 should include post SP2 fixes. :confused: xacc-ide 0.0.15 now with C#, MSIL, C, XML, ASP.NET, Nemerle, MyXaml and HLSL coloring - Screenshots
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It would be great if you could continue your documentary on installing the water cooling stuff. I'm interested in seeing the installation process because I'm thinking about using water cooling whenever I get around to building a new system (my current box has like 6 fans total and the noise is annoying). --Mike-- LINKS~! Ericahist | 1ClickPicGrabber | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ Strange things are afoot at the U+004B U+20DD
Im also looking into water cooling, something to squeeze the last bit of life from my AMD XP 2600+ thats already thinking its a 3000+. No extra fans though :) But I would like something that I can take to a new PC (if such a day arrives). xacc-ide 0.0.15 now with C#, MSIL, C, XML, ASP.NET, Nemerle, MyXaml and HLSL coloring - Screenshots
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You mean this will successfully 'convert' normal XP to XP64? And why SP2 then? XP64 should include post SP2 fixes. :confused: xacc-ide 0.0.15 now with C#, MSIL, C, XML, ASP.NET, Nemerle, MyXaml and HLSL coloring - Screenshots
leppie wrote: You mean this will successfully 'convert' normal XP to XP64? And why SP2 then? XP64 should include post SP2 fixes. Oops, I didn't see the AMD64 specs. I never tried a 32 to 64 migration... I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The only pain in the ass is having to reinstall Window (because I have to reinstall all the freakin apps I have, too). You don't need to: you can just re-run the Windows Setup, choose "not" to Repair, and, when installing, choose it to Repair (I know, it's weird) your installation: it will re-detect your HAL and all of your hardware. Then, you just apply SP2, run Windows Update and your machine is ready to go. I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
I'm using Win2k. Will that still work? ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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um.. um.. um.. I WANT ONE! My only problem would be, what would I do with it ;) You maybe a heavy gamer? I know .NET can add a little performance problems, but do you not think this is a bit of overkill ;) Rocky <>< All Kinds of Stuff[^]
Nope, this is entirely for .NET. :) Actually, my current machine (2-1/2 years old now) can't be upgraded anymore as far as the CPU is concerned (it's an AMD 3000XP), and my new motherboard will accept the new dual core chips that AMD is coming out with at the end of this year, making my new system upgradable for at least the next three or four years (allowing for prices to drop on what are currently the fastest chips available for the board). And yeah, I play games, but not what I would call heavily. Nascar Racing, Day Of Defeat and FreeCell (930 games won, 9 lost) are about it. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The only pain in the ass is having to reinstall Window (because I have to reinstall all the freakin apps I have, too). On the other hand, 64-bit Linux should install with no hassles at all. You're not installing any apps with Linux? cheers, Chris Maunder
I am only fiddling around with Linux, so nothing real important is installed on that OS. ATI's video driver support for Linux rates at about an 8 on the ol' 1-10 Suck-O-Meter, so no 3D goodness for me there. That reminds me - I gotta download a 64-bit distro this week... ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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It would be great if you could continue your documentary on installing the water cooling stuff. I'm interested in seeing the installation process because I'm thinking about using water cooling whenever I get around to building a new system (my current box has like 6 fans total and the noise is annoying). --Mike-- LINKS~! Ericahist | 1ClickPicGrabber | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ Strange things are afoot at the U+004B U+20DD
Well, I purposely did not order a CPU heatsink/fan so I would force myself to finish the watercooling stuff. Stay tuned. :) ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Im also looking into water cooling, something to squeeze the last bit of life from my AMD XP 2600+ thats already thinking its a 3000+. No extra fans though :) But I would like something that I can take to a new PC (if such a day arrives). xacc-ide 0.0.15 now with C#, MSIL, C, XML, ASP.NET, Nemerle, MyXaml and HLSL coloring - Screenshots
Most/all of the DangerDen blocks allow you to swap out block tops so that you can move the block to a different class of CPU by simply buying a new top instead of the whole shebang. Go here[^] and look for the TDX waterblock. As far as the video card is concerned, they have a new block out that fits most nVidia and ATI cards. All you have to do is use the correct set of holes. If your system is in a short case, you might want to consider 3/8" tubing (esier to get around tight bends). IMHO, you should consider going to a full tower case or a YY0221 Cube. DangerDen also sells 12-volt pumps that connect to a molex connector on your power supply. If you plan it right, the whole setup can be contained within your case. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Most/all of the DangerDen blocks allow you to swap out block tops so that you can move the block to a different class of CPU by simply buying a new top instead of the whole shebang. Go here[^] and look for the TDX waterblock. As far as the video card is concerned, they have a new block out that fits most nVidia and ATI cards. All you have to do is use the correct set of holes. If your system is in a short case, you might want to consider 3/8" tubing (esier to get around tight bends). IMHO, you should consider going to a full tower case or a YY0221 Cube. DangerDen also sells 12-volt pumps that connect to a molex connector on your power supply. If you plan it right, the whole setup can be contained within your case. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: look for the TDX waterblock. Looks nice but pricey if you consider it can only be used on a specific CPU. The Thermaltake Big Water kooling kit's block can be fit to most CPU's (not sure about AMD64 though), and looks a fair bit cheaper. http://thermaltake.com/watercooling/cl-w0005bigwater/cl-w0005.htm[^] xacc-ide 0.0.15 now with C#, MSIL, C, XML, ASP.NET, Nemerle, MyXaml and HLSL coloring - Screenshots
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I'm using Win2k. Will that still work? ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I'm using Win2k. Will that still work? IIRC, yes, but it's a bit different. I really don't know if it will work in a 64-bit machine, but I'd give it a try. There's a KB article at MS about doing it: The procedures for Windows 200x[^] The procedures for Windows XP[^] I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The only pain in the ass is having to reinstall Window (because I have to reinstall all the freakin apps I have, too). On the other hand, 64-bit Linux should install with no hassles at all. So which one is it going to be? Windows or Linux? John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: This system is gonna ROCK! Sure. But you can whine just as well using the old system. ;P
When was the last time I whined about anything here? Who are you again? ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I'm using Win2k. Will that still work? IIRC, yes, but it's a bit different. I really don't know if it will work in a 64-bit machine, but I'd give it a try. There's a KB article at MS about doing it: The procedures for Windows 200x[^] The procedures for Windows XP[^] I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
I've never been able to successfully "upgrade" Windows. It usually requires a format/re-install when I change motherboards. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: look for the TDX waterblock. Looks nice but pricey if you consider it can only be used on a specific CPU. The Thermaltake Big Water kooling kit's block can be fit to most CPU's (not sure about AMD64 though), and looks a fair bit cheaper. http://thermaltake.com/watercooling/cl-w0005bigwater/cl-w0005.htm[^] xacc-ide 0.0.15 now with C#, MSIL, C, XML, ASP.NET, Nemerle, MyXaml and HLSL coloring - Screenshots
A custom solution is almost always a better solution as far as cooling though. For instance, the BigWater kit has a copper waterblock and an aluminum radiator. You're just asking for trouble when you mix copper and aluminum in a cooling system (electrolysis). Here's what you need : Copper waterblock Copper or brass radiator Plastic reservoir (optional, but if you get a reservoir, plastic with no aluminum parts is the best choice) Tygon or ClearFlex tubing A reliable pump with as high of a flow as you can get Avoid anything with aluminum (some waterblocks have a copper base and an anodized aluminum top). If you have the space in your case to route the tubing, get 1/2-inch ID tubing. More flow = more cooling. When you get right down to it (and I'm sure you know this), you get what you pay for. If I were you and I was considering watercooling, I'd want to do it the right way the first time, especially if the life of your entire system was at stake. I advise that you spend the extra $100 and get the best stuff instead of settling for a "kit". If you want solid info and advice about water cooling, go to ProCooling website[^]. One last item of note - if you *do* get the danger den stuff, and you get a GPU block as part of your purchase, get the BRASS version of the Maze4. The one with the black acetel top has an aluminum base. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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well, it's linux, he HAS to build them himself ...
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
And I hate that part of it. I want to USE linux, not create everything from freakin scratch. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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A custom solution is almost always a better solution as far as cooling though. For instance, the BigWater kit has a copper waterblock and an aluminum radiator. You're just asking for trouble when you mix copper and aluminum in a cooling system (electrolysis). Here's what you need : Copper waterblock Copper or brass radiator Plastic reservoir (optional, but if you get a reservoir, plastic with no aluminum parts is the best choice) Tygon or ClearFlex tubing A reliable pump with as high of a flow as you can get Avoid anything with aluminum (some waterblocks have a copper base and an anodized aluminum top). If you have the space in your case to route the tubing, get 1/2-inch ID tubing. More flow = more cooling. When you get right down to it (and I'm sure you know this), you get what you pay for. If I were you and I was considering watercooling, I'd want to do it the right way the first time, especially if the life of your entire system was at stake. I advise that you spend the extra $100 and get the best stuff instead of settling for a "kit". If you want solid info and advice about water cooling, go to ProCooling website[^]. One last item of note - if you *do* get the danger den stuff, and you get a GPU block as part of your purchase, get the BRASS version of the Maze4. The one with the black acetel top has an aluminum base. ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Yeah, but I guess it would have alternate uses... :) ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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MSI Neo2 Platinum motherboard AMD64 3500 (90nm) 1gb (2x512) OCZ PC3500 memory DangerDen Maze4 GPU waterblock DangerDen TDX CPU waterblock DangerDen D4 12-volt pump I already have a new video card (ATI X800XTPE). The only pain in the ass is having to reinstall Window (because I have to reinstall all the freakin apps I have, too). On the other hand, 64-bit Linux should install with no hassles at all. This system is gonna ROCK! ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
You sure it's a Neo2 and not a Neo4? The Neo2 is obsolete and buggy. (I just built a new system with the MSI Neo4 Platinum and and Athlon 64 3500. It may be the most stable motherboard I've ever put in a system myself.) Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
