Survey: Do you drive an SUV?
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The one I have is very comfortable and has lots of room in it which are our primary reasons for having it. It is quite handy when hauling amps and speakers to a gig or rehearsal for two or three guys in the band. We have two large dogs (Rhodesian Ridgebacks) that we like to take with us and they occupy a LOT of room. Last Thanksgiving we had six (human) adults and several cases of wine riding comfortably in it for a wine tasting expedition. We spend a lot of time in it driving to work and for various outings so comfort is something of a priority for us. Furthermore, it gets better gas mileage than nearly all conventional vehicles having similar hauling capacity and comfort. It seems to me that it would be illogical NOT to have it given how we use it.
Rick York wrote: given how we use it Agreed. /ravi My new year's resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | Freeware | Music ravib@ravib.com
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gnk wrote: please make your mind and pool quiz clear. Try reading carefully. You incorrectly assumed that "4 wheeled" == "4WD". "4 wheeled means" it has 4 wheels, and is meant to exclude bicycles, motorbikes and mopeds. /ravi My new year's resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | Freeware | Music ravib@ravib.com
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All right, I read carefully, still it's a discrimination you excluded from the pool people who drive tanks! ;P gnk
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The one I have is very comfortable and has lots of room in it which are our primary reasons for having it. It is quite handy when hauling amps and speakers to a gig or rehearsal for two or three guys in the band. We have two large dogs (Rhodesian Ridgebacks) that we like to take with us and they occupy a LOT of room. Last Thanksgiving we had six (human) adults and several cases of wine riding comfortably in it for a wine tasting expedition. We spend a lot of time in it driving to work and for various outings so comfort is something of a priority for us. Furthermore, it gets better gas mileage than nearly all conventional vehicles having similar hauling capacity and comfort. It seems to me that it would be illogical NOT to have it given how we use it.
I have no problem with people who actually 'use' an SUV. What irks me is when on my very slow 30 mile drive to work I see half a dozen Hummers with 1 person in it driving to work. Of course, I'm sure all the people driving in the HOV lane are irked that I am driving in a car all by myself when I could be car pooling...
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The one I have is very comfortable and has lots of room in it which are our primary reasons for having it. It is quite handy when hauling amps and speakers to a gig or rehearsal for two or three guys in the band. We have two large dogs (Rhodesian Ridgebacks) that we like to take with us and they occupy a LOT of room. Last Thanksgiving we had six (human) adults and several cases of wine riding comfortably in it for a wine tasting expedition. We spend a lot of time in it driving to work and for various outings so comfort is something of a priority for us. Furthermore, it gets better gas mileage than nearly all conventional vehicles having similar hauling capacity and comfort. It seems to me that it would be illogical NOT to have it given how we use it.
I own them for the same reasons - lots of room. I also do a lot of driving in the boonies and haul a boat ( 17 foot bass boat ) around. The FWD is nice to have in many situations. I get 15 MPG in the city and about 21 on the highway in my big SUV and 17 and 26 in my small one. It is also safer ( as the adds say what price do you put on safety ) due to better vision and if I do run into someone it will probably be smaller than I am. I have the front and side curtain airbags. If I didn't have the SUV I would have to have a pickup to replace it and the pickup will haul - at most - three adults and a small pet. Plus every time a friend of yours moves your vehicle ( and you if you can get conned ) is requested. Not so with the SUV. In bad weather and high winds it handles like a dream. If you can get one - get one. It just makes life simpler. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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The one I have is very comfortable and has lots of room in it which are our primary reasons for having it. It is quite handy when hauling amps and speakers to a gig or rehearsal for two or three guys in the band. We have two large dogs (Rhodesian Ridgebacks) that we like to take with us and they occupy a LOT of room. Last Thanksgiving we had six (human) adults and several cases of wine riding comfortably in it for a wine tasting expedition. We spend a lot of time in it driving to work and for various outings so comfort is something of a priority for us. Furthermore, it gets better gas mileage than nearly all conventional vehicles having similar hauling capacity and comfort. It seems to me that it would be illogical NOT to have it given how we use it.
Surely a mini-van would work just as well if not better for those needs. No mention of anything requireing 4-wheel drive. But the image! Agggh! A mini-van! :-( I'm so glad our local paragliding site owners insist on a 4x4 (with 4-wheel drive engaged) as a prerequisite to granting vehicular access: Here... Mission (PDF)^ And here, page 3, section VIII if you don't believe me ;-) ... Ed Levin (PDF)^ While the two highly regulated sites above would be easily accessible by regular car (in dry weather) many of our other non-local (read "less regulated") sites are virually inaccessible without 4-wheel drive. (edit .. not to mention : when I go snowboarding up at tahoe I would often have to get out in the freezing cold and put tire-chains on if I didn't have a 4x4 with all weather tires ) I have no trouble justifying my 4x4 Tacoma pick-up. Steve T
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Trying to relate the size of our applications to the size of our transportation??? Steve
That's just a myth...:rolleyes: BW
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: Most software engineers I know are of the view that driving an SUV (other than for true off-roading) is highly illogical. True, since they stink at fuel efficiency, and the need for 4WD is rare in most parts.
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"most parts".. In many places around the world Snow is a big issue (as Texas is finding today ;) ) and 4WD is almost a requirement. Also, there is the capacity, which may not be used all the time, but it great to have when you need it. Nothing like trying to cram that new flat panel big screen into a VW bug ;) As for the true desire of this pole, I have seen many people with 4WDs (not just SUVs) that buy them just to say they have it. They take it off the road one time, find out they do not like the scratches and dings and keep it as a street vehicle from then on. This seems to be true for about any group of people from what I can see. I have known several coders that fall into this group that live in places which normally receive zero snow. As for fuel efficency, I do not have a 4WD SUV, but it is a touchy spot with me since there is sooooo much SUV bashing going on in the world today (and sometimes it true), but some SUVs actually do pretty good. My Explorer gets around 20 mpg in the city and around 25 on the highway. While this is not great milage compared to a something pulling 60 mpg, it is very good compared not many vehicles on the roads today. Rocky <>< All Kinds of Stuff[^]
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I own them for the same reasons - lots of room. I also do a lot of driving in the boonies and haul a boat ( 17 foot bass boat ) around. The FWD is nice to have in many situations. I get 15 MPG in the city and about 21 on the highway in my big SUV and 17 and 26 in my small one. It is also safer ( as the adds say what price do you put on safety ) due to better vision and if I do run into someone it will probably be smaller than I am. I have the front and side curtain airbags. If I didn't have the SUV I would have to have a pickup to replace it and the pickup will haul - at most - three adults and a small pet. Plus every time a friend of yours moves your vehicle ( and you if you can get conned ) is requested. Not so with the SUV. In bad weather and high winds it handles like a dream. If you can get one - get one. It just makes life simpler. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Richard Stringer wrote: I get 15 MPG in the city and about 21 on the highway in my big SUV and 17 and 26 in my small one. Egads, it's a good job fuel is so damned cheap over there. I get 50mpg out of my car and it still costs a fortune to run. :eek:
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For those of you who own a 4-wheeled vehicle (or drive one on a regular basis), please vote: 1 = I drive a SUV/truck 5 = I drive something else /ravi My new year's resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | Freeware | Music ravib@ravib.com
You have to diferentiate between relevant uses of 4WD (farmers, game wardens, volunteer rescue people etc.) and moms picking up Johnny from school in an oversized, gas guzzling tank that she doesn't need. I don't like the SUV craze but don't attach 4WD drive users to it. (I drive a Toyota Tazz 1.3 and cycle the rest.) regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
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You have to diferentiate between relevant uses of 4WD (farmers, game wardens, volunteer rescue people etc.) and moms picking up Johnny from school in an oversized, gas guzzling tank that she doesn't need. I don't like the SUV craze but don't attach 4WD drive users to it. (I drive a Toyota Tazz 1.3 and cycle the rest.) regards, Paul Watson South Africa The Code Project Pope Pius II said "The only prescription is more cowbell. "
Paul Watson wrote: moms picking up Johnny from school in an oversized, gas guzzling tank that she doesn't need. Strongly agreed! Paul Watson wrote: don't attach 4WD drive users to it. 4-wheeled != 4WD. 4-wheeled is meant to exclude motorbikes, mopeds and bicycles. /ravi My new year's resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | Freeware | Music ravib@ravib.com
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For those of you who own a 4-wheeled vehicle (or drive one on a regular basis), please vote: 1 = I drive a SUV/truck 5 = I drive something else /ravi My new year's resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | Freeware | Music ravib@ravib.com
Is a bicycle considered a sports utility vehicle? :rolleyes: Surprisingly high avg for SUV.
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Richard Stringer wrote: I get 15 MPG in the city and about 21 on the highway in my big SUV and 17 and 26 in my small one. Egads, it's a good job fuel is so damned cheap over there. I get 50mpg out of my car and it still costs a fortune to run. :eek:
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Heh. It's over $2/gal. here. That's more than double what it was 7 years ago, i believe. Are fewer people driving trucks half way across the state so their kids can play ball with other kids they've never met? Not that i see...
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"most parts".. In many places around the world Snow is a big issue (as Texas is finding today ;) ) and 4WD is almost a requirement. Also, there is the capacity, which may not be used all the time, but it great to have when you need it. Nothing like trying to cram that new flat panel big screen into a VW bug ;) As for the true desire of this pole, I have seen many people with 4WDs (not just SUVs) that buy them just to say they have it. They take it off the road one time, find out they do not like the scratches and dings and keep it as a street vehicle from then on. This seems to be true for about any group of people from what I can see. I have known several coders that fall into this group that live in places which normally receive zero snow. As for fuel efficency, I do not have a 4WD SUV, but it is a touchy spot with me since there is sooooo much SUV bashing going on in the world today (and sometimes it true), but some SUVs actually do pretty good. My Explorer gets around 20 mpg in the city and around 25 on the highway. While this is not great milage compared to a something pulling 60 mpg, it is very good compared not many vehicles on the roads today. Rocky <>< All Kinds of Stuff[^]
Rocky Moore wrote: In many places around the world Snow is a big issue (as Texas is finding today ) and 4WD is almost a requirement. Please, please don't use the snow thing. I've lived most of my life in places that get a fair bit of snow a fair bit of the year, and never ran into trouble with the medium-sized, front wheel drive cars i drive. Given the scores of SUVs that end up in the ditches whenever there's a moderate amount of snow around, it's just not worth it to encourage the "4WD == snow immunity" myth. :doh: But yeah, if you live at the top of a steep hill out in the boonies, an SUV might be your best bet short of buying a tractor. :)
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Is a bicycle considered a sports utility vehicle? :rolleyes: Surprisingly high avg for SUV.
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Rocky Moore wrote: In many places around the world Snow is a big issue (as Texas is finding today ) and 4WD is almost a requirement. Please, please don't use the snow thing. I've lived most of my life in places that get a fair bit of snow a fair bit of the year, and never ran into trouble with the medium-sized, front wheel drive cars i drive. Given the scores of SUVs that end up in the ditches whenever there's a moderate amount of snow around, it's just not worth it to encourage the "4WD == snow immunity" myth. :doh: But yeah, if you live at the top of a steep hill out in the boonies, an SUV might be your best bet short of buying a tractor. :)
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4WD is better than 2WD in the snow at any time! I have lived all my life except for a short five year period, in an area that usually sees several feet of snow on the ground through more of the winter and at times up to four feet (not this year as we are having a major drought). It is true that front wheel drives are better than rear wheel in the snow, but 4WD is even better. I think "stability" IS a problem in many SUVs because some of them are plain up to high in regards to their width. Mine is a bit higher than I would like and would be easy to flip. Hopefully in the future I can get that lowered a few inches. Rocky <>< Enhanced Kites..[^]
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4WD is better than 2WD in the snow at any time! I have lived all my life except for a short five year period, in an area that usually sees several feet of snow on the ground through more of the winter and at times up to four feet (not this year as we are having a major drought). It is true that front wheel drives are better than rear wheel in the snow, but 4WD is even better. I think "stability" IS a problem in many SUVs because some of them are plain up to high in regards to their width. Mine is a bit higher than I would like and would be easy to flip. Hopefully in the future I can get that lowered a few inches. Rocky <>< Enhanced Kites..[^]
Rocky Moore wrote: 4WD is better than 2WD in the snow at any time! If your rear wheels have traction and your front wheels don't, yeah. If all four are sliding, you're still bummed.
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Navin wrote: SUVs are DIFFERENT from regular automobiles Navin wrote: SUVs are not always designed to be friendly towards other automobiles... their lights and bumpers are higher, for instance :doh: So are pick-up trucks. I don't see P/U trucks being demonized in the same way that SUV's are. I can only speculate about why this is so. P/U drivers - poor to middle class "working" people - Democrat base SUV drivers - middle to upper class professionals - Republican base Sorry to drag politics into this, but I suspect that it is one of the reasons behind the demonization. You can also throw gas consumption into the equation also. Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote: P/U drivers - poor to middle class "working" people - Democrat base P/U's are going to be next. Besides, Texas has the largest population of P/U's and after these last 2 Presidential elections...;) Gary Kirkham wrote: SUV drivers - middle to upper class professionals - Republican base TRUE! It's the folks that drive the Volvo's, which used to be the safest vehicles and are now not, that are driving the attack on SUVs!! :) Possibly the milage but then why aren't they after Vettes and BMWs? ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." - -Uknown.
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Steve Mayfield wrote: I had a SUV plow into the driver's side of my nice car a few years ago No, a driver in an SUV plowed into the side of your car. I know it's just symantics, however I believe that there has been an attempt to demonize the SUV in the media. It is like the SUV has a mind of it's own and the mind is evil. Just yesterday, 4 Die When SUV Hits Las Vegas Bus Bench[^]. It is only when you read the story that you find out that someone was actually driving the thing and that she may had been under the influence of something. Of course, these are just my observations over the past few years...nothing scientific about it. :) Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Rocky Moore wrote: 4WD is better than 2WD in the snow at any time! If your rear wheels have traction and your front wheels don't, yeah. If all four are sliding, you're still bummed.
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The problem is people who think that 4 wheel drive means you can drive in snow the same as you would drive on dry pavement.
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