Berlin Wall
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The survey of 2,000 Germans by Berlin's Free University and pollsters Forsa found 24 percent of those living in western Germany want the Wall back -- double the eastern level.[^] Surprise anyone? If true, what is the real cause of the feelings? Mike K(arl) wrote: Date:8:50 23 Feb '05 I love you.
Mike Gaskey wrote: If true, what is the real cause of the feelings? IMO, the same on both sides: "it was better before". West German economy was declining in the '80 (closer to the numbers, growth was stagnating). Reunification gave a boost by (a) creating a new market to sell products, and (b) a large public-money-to-private-hands money transfer. Add the new economy bubble, Germany NOW feels the decline that it should have felt 20 years ago. (If you go deeper into west germany, you find many places that still work and act and spend like in boom times) Who's fault? Of course, the lazy, wailing, ungrateful, expensive east germans. For east germany, a lot of identity, social structures (I am *not* talking about welfare here), went overboard. Life lines were broken, plans shattered, many people lost the lives they built for themselves. Economically, it was letting Enron loose on an unsuspecting, big-eyed children. Who's fault? Of course, the colonization by west germany.
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
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The survey of 2,000 Germans by Berlin's Free University and pollsters Forsa found 24 percent of those living in western Germany want the Wall back -- double the eastern level.[^] Surprise anyone? If true, what is the real cause of the feelings? Mike K(arl) wrote: Date:8:50 23 Feb '05 I love you.
I knew some people who lived in Berlin in the 60's and 70's and they lived liked doomsday was tommorrow. They partied, drank and lived a very hedonistic existance. But after the wall came down that motivation was gone. Maybe that was part of the reason. Of course it may also be this: There are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Just like statistics, surveys can show you anything you want.
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Mike Gaskey wrote: If true, what is the real cause of the feelings? IMO, the same on both sides: "it was better before". West German economy was declining in the '80 (closer to the numbers, growth was stagnating). Reunification gave a boost by (a) creating a new market to sell products, and (b) a large public-money-to-private-hands money transfer. Add the new economy bubble, Germany NOW feels the decline that it should have felt 20 years ago. (If you go deeper into west germany, you find many places that still work and act and spend like in boom times) Who's fault? Of course, the lazy, wailing, ungrateful, expensive east germans. For east germany, a lot of identity, social structures (I am *not* talking about welfare here), went overboard. Life lines were broken, plans shattered, many people lost the lives they built for themselves. Economically, it was letting Enron loose on an unsuspecting, big-eyed children. Who's fault? Of course, the colonization by west germany.
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenpeterchen wrote: Who's fault? Of course So basically everyone had learned to live with the circumstances of their situation. Sounds like difficulties quickly (and fairly) merging two systems, two societies. Doesn't portend well for the eventual integration of North / South Korea or for that matter Taiwan and China. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me K(arl) wrote: Date:8:50 23 Feb '05 I love you.
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Mike Gaskey wrote: what is the real cause of the feelings? America, the cause of all bad things;P
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peterchen wrote: Who's fault? Of course So basically everyone had learned to live with the circumstances of their situation. Sounds like difficulties quickly (and fairly) merging two systems, two societies. Doesn't portend well for the eventual integration of North / South Korea or for that matter Taiwan and China. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me K(arl) wrote: Date:8:50 23 Feb '05 I love you.
Mike Gaskey wrote: Doesn't portend well for the eventual integration of North / South Korea or for that matter Taiwan and China. Add the fact that it was just 40 years of separation, and fairly similar culture. Mike Gaskey wrote: everyone had learned to live with the circumstances of their situation That's not surprising, given human nature :)
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
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Mike Gaskey wrote: what is the real cause of the feelings? America, the cause of all bad things;P
"You're obviously a superstar." - Christian Graus about me - 12 Feb '03 "Obviously ??? You're definitely a superstar!!!" mYkel - 21 Jun '04 Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
Honoured as one of The Most Helpful Members of 2004
PJ Arends wrote: America, the cause of all bad things I hate those bastards!! Oh wait. I'm one of them. In that case, I'm highly offended and shall - in respect to CodeProject decorum - have to rate you a 1 for your heinous attack on my people! :mad: :-D Cheers, Tom Archer - Archer Consulting Group Programmer Trainer and Mentor and Project Management Consultant
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PJ Arends wrote: America, the cause of all bad things I hate those bastards!! Oh wait. I'm one of them. In that case, I'm highly offended and shall - in respect to CodeProject decorum - have to rate you a 1 for your heinous attack on my people! :mad: :-D Cheers, Tom Archer - Archer Consulting Group Programmer Trainer and Mentor and Project Management Consultant
Tom Archer wrote: I hate those bastards!! Oh wait. I'm one of them. Now would be a good time for you to pull out your Turkish passport:^)
"You're obviously a superstar." - Christian Graus about me - 12 Feb '03 "Obviously ??? You're definitely a superstar!!!" mYkel - 21 Jun '04 Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
Honoured as one of The Most Helpful Members of 2004
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Germans have mixed feelings on the fall of communism. As Deiter would say... you intimidate me with your aggressive mannerisms.
Life's not fair - try to make it fair.
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eggie5 wrote: Hitler was a communist? Fascism, Communism - from any practical (Jeffersonian) perspective, what's the difference? "The Yahoos refused to be tamed."
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eggie5 wrote: Hitler was a communist? Fascism, Communism - from any practical (Jeffersonian) perspective, what's the difference? "The Yahoos refused to be tamed."
Stan Shannon wrote: from any practical (Jeffersonian) perspective, what's the difference? Hm... I wouldn't call a perspective from which everything looks the same "practical". Unless, of course, I want to refrain from thinking. ;P
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
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