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  • R Radoslav Bielik

    Hi there, Today I found this requirement for a strong password: A password cannot contain your user name (neither can your user name be contained in your password) I'm not a native English speaker, so I may not understand both wordings correctly, but I don't see any difference between their meanings. Is there any? Rado


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    I think they meant to say that your user name should not contain your password. The way it's worded, it's redundant. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO

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    • R Radoslav Bielik

      Hi there, Today I found this requirement for a strong password: A password cannot contain your user name (neither can your user name be contained in your password) I'm not a native English speaker, so I may not understand both wordings correctly, but I don't see any difference between their meanings. Is there any? Rado


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      I would say that both statements are logically equivalent. Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Gently arching his fishing rod back he moves the tip forward in a gentle arch releasing the line.... kersplunk [Doug Goulden] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]

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      • M Marc Clifton

        I think they meant to say that your user name should not contain your password. The way it's worded, it's redundant. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO

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        Radoslav Bielik
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        Marc Clifton wrote: I think they meant to say that your user name should not contain your password. Perhaps, but who would want to do that anyway? :~ OK I know I know, it's better to make it completely foolproof. :) Rado


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        • R Radoslav Bielik

          Marc Clifton wrote: I think they meant to say that your user name should not contain your password. Perhaps, but who would want to do that anyway? :~ OK I know I know, it's better to make it completely foolproof. :) Rado


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          Radoslav Bielik wrote: Perhaps, but who would want to do that anyway? My son just finished reading The Cuckoo's Egg. People do all sorts of silly things with passwords. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO

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          • R Radoslav Bielik

            Hi there, Today I found this requirement for a strong password: A password cannot contain your user name (neither can your user name be contained in your password) I'm not a native English speaker, so I may not understand both wordings correctly, but I don't see any difference between their meanings. Is there any? Rado


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            John Fisher
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            They are different. One may be larger than the other. If the password is larger than the user name, it should not contain the user name as part of it. If the user name is larger than the password, the password should not make up part of the user name. Example of password containing a user name: User name - Fred Password - FredWasHere Example of user name containing the password: User name - SamuelClemens Password - Samuel John
            "You said a whole sentence with no words in it, and I understood you!" -- my wife as she cries about slowly becoming a geek.

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            • J John Fisher

              They are different. One may be larger than the other. If the password is larger than the user name, it should not contain the user name as part of it. If the user name is larger than the password, the password should not make up part of the user name. Example of password containing a user name: User name - Fred Password - FredWasHere Example of user name containing the password: User name - SamuelClemens Password - Samuel John
              "You said a whole sentence with no words in it, and I understood you!" -- my wife as she cries about slowly becoming a geek.

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              brianwelsch
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              perhaps they wanted to avoid this situation as well: Example of user name containing the password: Username: Bread Password: Flour :~ BW


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                perhaps they wanted to avoid this situation as well: Example of user name containing the password: Username: Bread Password: Flour :~ BW


                I want pancakes! God, do you people understand every language except English?
                Yo quiero pancakes. Donnez moi pancakes. Click click, bloody click pancakes!
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                • M Marc Clifton

                  Radoslav Bielik wrote: Perhaps, but who would want to do that anyway? My son just finished reading The Cuckoo's Egg. People do all sorts of silly things with passwords. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO

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                  Is this the book about a nerd in the stoneage of computing who finds a hacker? I've read this book, it's great!

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                  • J John Fisher

                    They are different. One may be larger than the other. If the password is larger than the user name, it should not contain the user name as part of it. If the user name is larger than the password, the password should not make up part of the user name. Example of password containing a user name: User name - Fred Password - FredWasHere Example of user name containing the password: User name - SamuelClemens Password - Samuel John
                    "You said a whole sentence with no words in it, and I understood you!" -- my wife as she cries about slowly becoming a geek.

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                    Not to nitpick, but the original question was about the language: A password cannot contain your user name (neither can your user name be contained in your password) I agree that what you describe is likely what they meant, but i disagree that it is what they said. In order to match what you describe they would have had to say: A password cannot contain your user name (neither can your user name be contained your password) ...cmk Save the whales - collect the whole set

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                    • G gehkadl

                      Is this the book about a nerd in the stoneage of computing who finds a hacker? I've read this book, it's great!

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                      gehkadl wrote: Is this the book about a nerd in the stoneage of computing who finds a hacker? I've read this book, it's great! Yup! Great book. Definitely stoneage stuff though. Unix and Macs! :-D Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO

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                        perhaps they wanted to avoid this situation as well: Example of user name containing the password: Username: Bread Password: Flour :~ BW


                        I want pancakes! God, do you people understand every language except English?
                        Yo quiero pancakes. Donnez moi pancakes. Click click, bloody click pancakes!
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                        :-D John
                        "You said a whole sentence with no words in it, and I understood you!" -- my wife as she cries about slowly becoming a geek.

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                          Not to nitpick, but the original question was about the language: A password cannot contain your user name (neither can your user name be contained in your password) I agree that what you describe is likely what they meant, but i disagree that it is what they said. In order to match what you describe they would have had to say: A password cannot contain your user name (neither can your user name be contained your password) ...cmk Save the whales - collect the whole set

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                          John Fisher
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                          Quite right. Not sure why my brain skipped the words and jumped to the meaning without noticing that... :-O John
                          "You said a whole sentence with no words in it, and I understood you!" -- my wife as she cries about slowly becoming a geek.

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                          • B brianwelsch

                            perhaps they wanted to avoid this situation as well: Example of user name containing the password: Username: Bread Password: Flour :~ BW


                            I want pancakes! God, do you people understand every language except English?
                            Yo quiero pancakes. Donnez moi pancakes. Click click, bloody click pancakes!
                            -- Stewie Griffin

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                            Yusuf
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                            :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                            Yusuf Oh didn't you notice, analogous to square roots, they recently introduced rectangular, circular, and diamond roots to determine the size of the corresponding shapes when given the area. Luc Pattyn[^]

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