SOX / process
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Ok, I don't know how many of you work for large American companies.... Have any of you dealt with the SOX / change control CRAP!! What a load of garbage. Look, I understand and advocate controling who can release code and doing it in an orderly fashion for stability, that much is actually common sense. But when you have to have meetings about changes and documents out the rear!! I mean, give me a break. It's like, gee how many programmers does it take to do a release.... I just see no point in it. Total waste.... And yet the blind executives force IT to do this... I just wonder who/what convinced the executives that it's necessary. Does the SOX law specifically lay out this ridiculous regiment of documentation? Do people actually believe that all these documents would prevent a dis-honest person from doing something bad? I mean, safe guards (like going to jail a long time), are already there if you steal money from a company, so what good does throwing a heap of documents in everybodies face do?? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!@@!! Oh well I suppose.... Anybody else think SOX as it (must??) relate to IT is a joke? Oh and don't get me started on the blood sucking auditor types who come in and tell you 'how' to document. What a bunch of worthless locusts...
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Ok, I don't know how many of you work for large American companies.... Have any of you dealt with the SOX / change control CRAP!! What a load of garbage. Look, I understand and advocate controling who can release code and doing it in an orderly fashion for stability, that much is actually common sense. But when you have to have meetings about changes and documents out the rear!! I mean, give me a break. It's like, gee how many programmers does it take to do a release.... I just see no point in it. Total waste.... And yet the blind executives force IT to do this... I just wonder who/what convinced the executives that it's necessary. Does the SOX law specifically lay out this ridiculous regiment of documentation? Do people actually believe that all these documents would prevent a dis-honest person from doing something bad? I mean, safe guards (like going to jail a long time), are already there if you steal money from a company, so what good does throwing a heap of documents in everybodies face do?? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!@@!! Oh well I suppose.... Anybody else think SOX as it (must??) relate to IT is a joke? Oh and don't get me started on the blood sucking auditor types who come in and tell you 'how' to document. What a bunch of worthless locusts...
What are you talking about? The only thing I can find on SOX is stuff like this[^] and this[^]. What does that have to do with software releases? Tim Kohler wrote: I just wonder who/what convinced the executives that it's necessary. Wrongdoers? ;P I hate that word. Along with evildoers. In Nixon's time, it was "crook". In the Bush legacy, it's "wrongdoer". What's it going to be in 20 years? Immoral-doer? Bad guy? Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
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What are you talking about? The only thing I can find on SOX is stuff like this[^] and this[^]. What does that have to do with software releases? Tim Kohler wrote: I just wonder who/what convinced the executives that it's necessary. Wrongdoers? ;P I hate that word. Along with evildoers. In Nixon's time, it was "crook". In the Bush legacy, it's "wrongdoer". What's it going to be in 20 years? Immoral-doer? Bad guy? Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
Perhaps I should rename the topic to 'change control.' Places (atleast the 2 I work/ed at) are implementing SOX compliance by crafting very elaborate change control methodologies. These methodologies consist of a myriad of paperworks and approvals to do anything. Essentially releasing anything takes tons of paperwork. The net result is a bunch of bull that just slows everyone down and ends up making everyone (with a brain) hate the process. The basic idea is to try to limit the chance of something that would negatively impact financial systems (although most places just extend this lunacy to all their systems) being released. Take a look at SOX
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What are you talking about? The only thing I can find on SOX is stuff like this[^] and this[^]. What does that have to do with software releases? Tim Kohler wrote: I just wonder who/what convinced the executives that it's necessary. Wrongdoers? ;P I hate that word. Along with evildoers. In Nixon's time, it was "crook". In the Bush legacy, it's "wrongdoer". What's it going to be in 20 years? Immoral-doer? Bad guy? Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
Marc Clifton wrote: What does that have to do with software releases? Restrictive, stupid law + False sense of security + PHBs = Fill a lot of documents to change a i++ to i-- I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
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What are you talking about? The only thing I can find on SOX is stuff like this[^] and this[^]. What does that have to do with software releases? Tim Kohler wrote: I just wonder who/what convinced the executives that it's necessary. Wrongdoers? ;P I hate that word. Along with evildoers. In Nixon's time, it was "crook". In the Bush legacy, it's "wrongdoer". What's it going to be in 20 years? Immoral-doer? Bad guy? Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
Anything even remotely related to financial reporting falls under the realm of SOX control. Until the auditors know what is expected, they can't tell the companies. Until the companies know, EVERYTHING falls under SOX control. Regulations are like C$!P... It flows downhill. (The big PHBs don't see the pile of it) Also, companies can't complain too loudly, or they'll potentially be investigated even more closely.... ---All opinions are mine and not necesarrily those of my employer--- Brad
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Ok, I don't know how many of you work for large American companies.... Have any of you dealt with the SOX / change control CRAP!! What a load of garbage. Look, I understand and advocate controling who can release code and doing it in an orderly fashion for stability, that much is actually common sense. But when you have to have meetings about changes and documents out the rear!! I mean, give me a break. It's like, gee how many programmers does it take to do a release.... I just see no point in it. Total waste.... And yet the blind executives force IT to do this... I just wonder who/what convinced the executives that it's necessary. Does the SOX law specifically lay out this ridiculous regiment of documentation? Do people actually believe that all these documents would prevent a dis-honest person from doing something bad? I mean, safe guards (like going to jail a long time), are already there if you steal money from a company, so what good does throwing a heap of documents in everybodies face do?? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!@@!! Oh well I suppose.... Anybody else think SOX as it (must??) relate to IT is a joke? Oh and don't get me started on the blood sucking auditor types who come in and tell you 'how' to document. What a bunch of worthless locusts...