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  • R Rocky Moore

    It seems to me I remember a new law (in the USA) a few years ago making it a crime (fraud) to enter false information when asked on web sites or something close to that. Anyone else remember anything like that over the last few years? Rocky <>< Yahoo! 360º - Try it yourself![^]

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    Yikes! Look who what your stirred up. Let's all just be verry verry quiet and maybe he'll go away...

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      No, there is no "law" either state or federal that makes it a crime to enter "false" information on any website... There are existing state and federal laws that define 2 types of "fraud" which are defined in law as "Civil Fraud" and "Criminal Fraud".... Civil Fraud is where you commited fraud but not intentionally and Criminal Fraud is where you INTENTIONALLY commited fraud. As an example, I have an attorney write a written legal opinion letter that states that all of my advertising claims are clearly substantiated by the documentation on file in the attorney's office and I do this BEFORE I release an ad or an infomercial... in this case I have done my Due Diligence BEFORE releasing the ad or infomercial so that I can ONLY be charged with Civil Fraud and NOT Criminal Fraud... Almost everly infomercial that has ever been on TV has been indicated for CIVIL FRAUD because this is the federal trade commission's policy ... and then you "negotaite" your ad changes and pay a fine or give the government its cut of your action... and continue to air your ad or infomercial... Remember that when you get a Written Legal Opinion Letter from an attorney you must use an attorney who is an expert in FTC law and you can't let the attorney write some crap like "the ad claims are defensible..." as opposed to "clearly substantiated.." because "defensible" simply means that you can hire this piece of crap of an attorney to defend you AFTER you are criminally indicated! Many attorneys will try to TRAP their clients into a worthless legal opinion letter with the hopes that the client will be indicated so the attprney can make more money by defending the client... Bill SerGio, The Infomercial King:) Bill SerGio

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      Rocky Moore
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      Thanks for the reply Bill! Have not seen you around for a while, been too busy? :) Rocky <>< Yahoo! 360º - Try it yourself![^]

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      • B Bill SerGio The Infomercial King

        No, there is no "law" either state or federal that makes it a crime to enter "false" information on any website... There are existing state and federal laws that define 2 types of "fraud" which are defined in law as "Civil Fraud" and "Criminal Fraud".... Civil Fraud is where you commited fraud but not intentionally and Criminal Fraud is where you INTENTIONALLY commited fraud. As an example, I have an attorney write a written legal opinion letter that states that all of my advertising claims are clearly substantiated by the documentation on file in the attorney's office and I do this BEFORE I release an ad or an infomercial... in this case I have done my Due Diligence BEFORE releasing the ad or infomercial so that I can ONLY be charged with Civil Fraud and NOT Criminal Fraud... Almost everly infomercial that has ever been on TV has been indicated for CIVIL FRAUD because this is the federal trade commission's policy ... and then you "negotaite" your ad changes and pay a fine or give the government its cut of your action... and continue to air your ad or infomercial... Remember that when you get a Written Legal Opinion Letter from an attorney you must use an attorney who is an expert in FTC law and you can't let the attorney write some crap like "the ad claims are defensible..." as opposed to "clearly substantiated.." because "defensible" simply means that you can hire this piece of crap of an attorney to defend you AFTER you are criminally indicated! Many attorneys will try to TRAP their clients into a worthless legal opinion letter with the hopes that the client will be indicated so the attprney can make more money by defending the client... Bill SerGio, The Infomercial King:) Bill SerGio

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        Roger Wright
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        Bill SerGio, The Infomercial King wrote: has been indicated Bill SerGio, The Infomercial King wrote: criminally indicated That's indicted. "If it's Snowbird season, why can't we shoot them?" - Overheard in a bar in Bullhead City

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        • R Roger Wright

          Bill SerGio, The Infomercial King wrote: has been indicated Bill SerGio, The Infomercial King wrote: criminally indicated That's indicted. "If it's Snowbird season, why can't we shoot them?" - Overheard in a bar in Bullhead City

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          Bloody hell, don't encourage him. How long have you been here? ;)

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          • R Rocky Moore

            It seems to me I remember a new law (in the USA) a few years ago making it a crime (fraud) to enter false information when asked on web sites or something close to that. Anyone else remember anything like that over the last few years? Rocky <>< Yahoo! 360º - Try it yourself![^]

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            James T Johnson
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            There is a law that prohibits entering false information when registering a domain name. From Bob Parson's blog:

            It is now illegal to provide false information when registering a domain name. Last year, there was a brief attempt to make registrars responsible for the accuracy of the Whois database. Fortunately, that legislation failed. What did become law was a new, stiff penalty (7 years) for providing false WHOIS information. While this looming jail time might have some sway over US-based crooks, it will do little to get accurate information from those who live overseas.

            James

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              Yikes! Look who what your stirred up. Let's all just be verry verry quiet and maybe he'll go away...

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              Bill SerGio The Infomercial King
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              Let's hope that YOU go away! I bet you are still working for a living like a peasant.... Instead of making your own way with your own business... Bill SerGio

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              • J James T Johnson

                There is a law that prohibits entering false information when registering a domain name. From Bob Parson's blog:

                It is now illegal to provide false information when registering a domain name. Last year, there was a brief attempt to make registrars responsible for the accuracy of the Whois database. Fortunately, that legislation failed. What did become law was a new, stiff penalty (7 years) for providing false WHOIS information. While this looming jail time might have some sway over US-based crooks, it will do little to get accurate information from those who live overseas.

                James

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                Bill SerGio The Infomercial King
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                Here is how such litigation actually works in court... you CAN provide false information PROVIDED you have no intention to defraud or commit a crime... It is obvious that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing... That has already been reviewed by the supreme Court and they found that criminal penalty may be accessed by any state or federal power UNLESS there is a clear intent to defraud or commit a crime. I love selling my products on TV to you guys... I bet most of you have bought something from one of my TV shows at some time! Bill SerGio

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                • B Bill SerGio The Infomercial King

                  Here is how such litigation actually works in court... you CAN provide false information PROVIDED you have no intention to defraud or commit a crime... It is obvious that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing... That has already been reviewed by the supreme Court and they found that criminal penalty may be accessed by any state or federal power UNLESS there is a clear intent to defraud or commit a crime. I love selling my products on TV to you guys... I bet most of you have bought something from one of my TV shows at some time! Bill SerGio

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                  David Wulff
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                  Bill SerGio, The Infomercial King wrote: I love selling my products on TV to you guys... I bet most of you have bought something from one of my TV shows at some time! I seriously doubt many of us have ever bought anything from a TV show, let alone one of yours. Seriously. All they ever peddle is cheap crap with a dried-up-celebrity endorsement. (Like Betterware[^] but on TV.)


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                  • B Bill SerGio The Infomercial King

                    Here is how such litigation actually works in court... you CAN provide false information PROVIDED you have no intention to defraud or commit a crime... It is obvious that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing... That has already been reviewed by the supreme Court and they found that criminal penalty may be accessed by any state or federal power UNLESS there is a clear intent to defraud or commit a crime. I love selling my products on TV to you guys... I bet most of you have bought something from one of my TV shows at some time! Bill SerGio

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                    Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                    You're insulting. Do you think we're all retards? I dare say that most people who frequent this site, are too intelligent to fall for infomercial crap. -- Oneigaishimasu! I blog too now[^]

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                    • B Bill SerGio The Infomercial King

                      Here is how such litigation actually works in court... you CAN provide false information PROVIDED you have no intention to defraud or commit a crime... It is obvious that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing... That has already been reviewed by the supreme Court and they found that criminal penalty may be accessed by any state or federal power UNLESS there is a clear intent to defraud or commit a crime. I love selling my products on TV to you guys... I bet most of you have bought something from one of my TV shows at some time! Bill SerGio

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                      Colin Angus Mackay
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                      Bill SerGio, The Infomercial King wrote: Here is how such litigation actually works in court... you CAN provide false information PROVIDED you have no intention to defraud or commit a crime It works the same way in the UK. It is often used by people who want to change their name, but can't be bothered actually filling out the paper work (obviously it is better to change one's name officially as then all the government agencies get told about it or can see evidence of the transition so they don't haul one in to court)


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                        Bloody hell, don't encourage him. How long have you been here? ;)

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                        Roger Wright
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                        I wasn't encouraging him, merely correcting him. I'm a teacher, fergoshsakes... I can't help myself. I can't let ignorance pass by without trying to fix it. John Cardinal wrote: How long have you been here? When I joined, CP/M was a modern OS.;) "If it's Snowbird season, why can't we shoot them?" - Overheard in a bar in Bullhead City

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                        • R Rocky Moore

                          It seems to me I remember a new law (in the USA) a few years ago making it a crime (fraud) to enter false information when asked on web sites or something close to that. Anyone else remember anything like that over the last few years? Rocky <>< Yahoo! 360º - Try it yourself![^]

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                          jtart2
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                          Are you the same Rocky Moore from Erwin, North Carolina. I went to school with him and my brother was a good friend of his. I don't know whatever happened to him, Just Curius! Joe If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you!!!!!!!!!!

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                            Are you the same Rocky Moore from Erwin, North Carolina. I went to school with him and my brother was a good friend of his. I don't know whatever happened to him, Just Curius! Joe If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you!!!!!!!!!!

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                            Rocky Moore
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                            Nope, I am from and have lived most of my life in Klamath Falls, Oregon USA... There are a few of us around ;) Rocky <>< Yahoo! 360º - Try it yourself![^]

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