What did Billy for programming??
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Hey, is friday afternoon in my office, so is time for a controversial discution. Because here at CP, we are in big part, MS developers I asked myself: what did Bill Gates in programming world? What was his contribution? I mean, someone invented UNIX, other create a programming language, someone create a new programming paradigm, and so on. But Billy boy? He just look at others ideas and exploit in the market???? Note: I reffer strictly to mr. Gates, not to Microsoft as a company. MS probably had some inventions, even I'm not so sure... :mad: :confused: :mad: :eek: Let's enjoy conversation! ;P :-D :laugh: Don Miguel
Don Miguel wrote: My SettingsMy BookmarksMy ArticlesSign outNewsletter ArchiveJason Hooper Articles Authors Titles Abstract FAQ What's New Lounge Contribute Message Boards I think it's so cool you can actually select and quote anythig on the screen, not just the person's text. Anyway, I believe he wrote the original BASIC. Dunno though. - Jason SonorkID: 100.12194 :bob:'s your uncle
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I believe he worked on a lot of the early BASIC interpreters and probably the early DOS versions. This was probably all done in assembly, too. -c
I didn't put DOS because I think that BG didn't worked on it as a programmer, and, AFAIK, DOS was bought from another company ? Max.
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I didn't put DOS because I think that BG didn't worked on it as a programmer, and, AFAIK, DOS was bought from another company ? Max.
yes, it was bought from another company, but they still worked on it (remember they released DOS v1 through v7) -c
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I didn't put DOS because I think that BG didn't worked on it as a programmer, and, AFAIK, DOS was bought from another company ? Max.
Maximilien wrote: I didn't put DOS because I think that BG didn't worked on it as a programmer, and, AFAIK, DOS was bought from another company ? I believe it came from Seattle Computer Systems, who called it QDOS (Quick 'n' Dirty Operating System?). If I remember right QDOS was a 16 bit clone of CP/M-2.2 for the 8086/8088 processors. Everybody was waiting for Digital Research to release CP/M-86, but QDOS (or MS-DOS 1.0) got there first. Microsoft's acquisition of the product paved the way for their entry into the Operating Systems market (previously they'd been best known for MBASIC). Then of course there's the IBM/Bill Gates/Gary Kildall legend too... Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
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Don Miguel wrote: Note: I reffer strictly to mr. Gates, not to Microsoft as a company. MS probably had some inventions, even I'm not so sure... Without Billg there is no Microsoft. Therefore Billg created the operating system, tools, languages and market that keeps us alive, and that we all love. You cannot seperate Billg and Microsoft. End of conversation... ;P :-D :laugh: regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Without Billg there is no Microsoft. Therefore Billg created the operating system, tools, languages and market that keeps us alive, and that we all love. You cannot seperate Billg and Microsoft. That's just silly. You're saying that being the sine qua non of an institution's existence is equivalent to having create everything the institution has ever produced? That leads to a lot of hilarious images: Ghandi builds nuclear weapons. Nobunaga created the Playstation. George Washington bombed the Taliban. Stalin built Mir, with his BARE HANDS! Besides, if I recall correctly, Paul Allen had the original idea for Microsoft, and he convinced Gates to drop out of Harvard... Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
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Maximilien wrote: I didn't put DOS because I think that BG didn't worked on it as a programmer, and, AFAIK, DOS was bought from another company ? I believe it came from Seattle Computer Systems, who called it QDOS (Quick 'n' Dirty Operating System?). If I remember right QDOS was a 16 bit clone of CP/M-2.2 for the 8086/8088 processors. Everybody was waiting for Digital Research to release CP/M-86, but QDOS (or MS-DOS 1.0) got there first. Microsoft's acquisition of the product paved the way for their entry into the Operating Systems market (previously they'd been best known for MBASIC). Then of course there's the IBM/Bill Gates/Gary Kildall legend too... Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
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"I would be careful in separating your wierdness, a good quirky weirdness, from the disturbed wierdness of people who take pleasure from PVC sheep with fruit repositories." - Paul WatsonAndy Metcalfe wrote: who called it QDOS (Quick 'n' Dirty Operating System?). Everytime I hear it called that I think "Those Unix/Linux/Mac guys have a point, our OS was based on a quick and dirty idea." Then I think "naaaaaah, screw em, we have the best OS" and carry on with life. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
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Without Billg there is no Microsoft. Therefore Billg created the operating system, tools, languages and market that keeps us alive, and that we all love. You cannot seperate Billg and Microsoft. That's just silly. You're saying that being the sine qua non of an institution's existence is equivalent to having create everything the institution has ever produced? That leads to a lot of hilarious images: Ghandi builds nuclear weapons. Nobunaga created the Playstation. George Washington bombed the Taliban. Stalin built Mir, with his BARE HANDS! Besides, if I recall correctly, Paul Allen had the original idea for Microsoft, and he convinced Gates to drop out of Harvard... Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
Tim Lesher wrote: That leads to a lot of hilarious images: Ghandi builds nuclear weapons. Nobunaga created the Playstation. George Washington bombed the Taliban. Stalin built Mir, with his BARE HANDS! :rolleyes: please, only I, and Christian Grauss, are allowed to get away with daft parralells like that in a rebuttle. Kapiche? Good, now we have that settled... Tim Lesher wrote: Besides, if I recall correctly, Paul Allen had the original idea for Microsoft, and he convinced Gates to drop out of Harvard... So if Paul Allen had not "recruited" Billg, do you honestly believe MS would be what it is today? I will wager a nice bet that there is no hope in hell of MS having even 50% of the vision and driving force that it has without Billg. That is what I am saying. Billg may not have actually coded Dos/Windows/Visual Studio/VB/.NET etc. but he was the visionary, the driver, the man with the plan. Look at any good company, there is a man at the top who has a vision and who has the will and ambition. Without that one man the company would not be what it is. Much like in a software house, what happens to the best coders? They become architects and systems analysts. They stop coding and start designing, start envisioning and scoping the future. Just because they did not actually code line for line the product does not mean they are not the responsible figure for the product. Once again I must remind people that it is not the coders who are in charge, it is the managers and visionaries. They are responsible and without them coders would just bumble around and never get anywhere. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
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Without Billg there is no Microsoft. Therefore Billg created the operating system, tools, languages and market that keeps us alive, and that we all love. You cannot seperate Billg and Microsoft. That's just silly. You're saying that being the sine qua non of an institution's existence is equivalent to having create everything the institution has ever produced? That leads to a lot of hilarious images: Ghandi builds nuclear weapons. Nobunaga created the Playstation. George Washington bombed the Taliban. Stalin built Mir, with his BARE HANDS! Besides, if I recall correctly, Paul Allen had the original idea for Microsoft, and he convinced Gates to drop out of Harvard... Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
Tim Lesher wrote: being the sine qua non of an institution's p.s. I don't speak french/latin/italian/egotalk. ;P I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? ;P :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
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Don Miguel wrote: Note: I reffer strictly to mr. Gates, not to Microsoft as a company. MS probably had some inventions, even I'm not so sure... Without Billg there is no Microsoft. Therefore Billg created the operating system, tools, languages and market that keeps us alive, and that we all love. You cannot seperate Billg and Microsoft. End of conversation... ;P :-D :laugh: regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
oh come on, he create so much??? I can't believe. Maybe he order those all, but this is something else...
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Didn't he program one of the first BASIC interpreter in the 70's ? Max.
Maximilien wrote: Didn't he program one of the first BASIC interpreter in the 70's ? ... really I dunno know (for sure:rolleyes: ) And that's all??? :-D :-D
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Hey, is friday afternoon in my office, so is time for a controversial discution. Because here at CP, we are in big part, MS developers I asked myself: what did Bill Gates in programming world? What was his contribution? I mean, someone invented UNIX, other create a programming language, someone create a new programming paradigm, and so on. But Billy boy? He just look at others ideas and exploit in the market???? Note: I reffer strictly to mr. Gates, not to Microsoft as a company. MS probably had some inventions, even I'm not so sure... :mad: :confused: :mad: :eek: Let's enjoy conversation! ;P :-D :laugh: Don Miguel
So, what a little work, and what a rich man!!! This is what I call a "smart programmer" - BHWAHWAHWAHA:)
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Tim Lesher wrote: being the sine qua non of an institution's p.s. I don't speak french/latin/italian/egotalk. ;P I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? ;P :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? Isn't "kapiche" a cliched word from another language?:cool: -Mark Lenz
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Tim Lesher wrote: being the sine qua non of an institution's p.s. I don't speak french/latin/italian/egotalk. ;P I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? ;P :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Tim Lesher wrote: being the sine qua non of an institution's p.s. I don't speak french/latin/italian/egotalk. Heh. Dictionary.com. Learn it, live it, love it. :-) Anyway, it's not ego speak. I could have said "being a person without whom an institution wouldn't exist", but that's too long to type. I could have said, "Being the person who's solely responsible for an institution," or "Being the founder of an institution", but that's not what I meant. Say what you mean, in as few words as possible without changing the meaning of what you're saying. :-) I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? :-) I also read one that states "A pithy quote proves nothing." (Voltaire, if you care). Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
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Tim Lesher wrote: That leads to a lot of hilarious images: Ghandi builds nuclear weapons. Nobunaga created the Playstation. George Washington bombed the Taliban. Stalin built Mir, with his BARE HANDS! :rolleyes: please, only I, and Christian Grauss, are allowed to get away with daft parralells like that in a rebuttle. Kapiche? Good, now we have that settled... Tim Lesher wrote: Besides, if I recall correctly, Paul Allen had the original idea for Microsoft, and he convinced Gates to drop out of Harvard... So if Paul Allen had not "recruited" Billg, do you honestly believe MS would be what it is today? I will wager a nice bet that there is no hope in hell of MS having even 50% of the vision and driving force that it has without Billg. That is what I am saying. Billg may not have actually coded Dos/Windows/Visual Studio/VB/.NET etc. but he was the visionary, the driver, the man with the plan. Look at any good company, there is a man at the top who has a vision and who has the will and ambition. Without that one man the company would not be what it is. Much like in a software house, what happens to the best coders? They become architects and systems analysts. They stop coding and start designing, start envisioning and scoping the future. Just because they did not actually code line for line the product does not mean they are not the responsible figure for the product. Once again I must remind people that it is not the coders who are in charge, it is the managers and visionaries. They are responsible and without them coders would just bumble around and never get anywhere. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Stalin built Mir, with his BARE HANDS! Please, only I, and Christian Grauss, are allowed to get away with daft parralells like that in a rebuttle. Oh, but I do so like the image of Papa Joe in a zero-G suit! :-) Just because they did not actually code line for line the product does not mean they are not the responsible figure for the product. That's a straw man. For example, if you ask me who's the person most responsible for the existence of the Windows XP operating system, it wouldn't be Gates (who was mostly hands-off for the better part of NT's development), or "the person that coded line for the product" (who doesn't exist). I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ;-) ). Probably my biggest disagreement over this whole thing is that every company has a linchpin, someone who is most responsible for the company's existence, and that that person can be considered the creator of everything the company produces. Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
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I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? Isn't "kapiche" a cliched word from another language?:cool: -Mark Lenz
Mark Lenz wrote: Isn't "kapiche" a cliched word from another language? Hence why I put ";P :-D " at the end of my sentence :) I was being a hypocrite, comprenda? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
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Stalin built Mir, with his BARE HANDS! Please, only I, and Christian Grauss, are allowed to get away with daft parralells like that in a rebuttle. Oh, but I do so like the image of Papa Joe in a zero-G suit! :-) Just because they did not actually code line for line the product does not mean they are not the responsible figure for the product. That's a straw man. For example, if you ask me who's the person most responsible for the existence of the Windows XP operating system, it wouldn't be Gates (who was mostly hands-off for the better part of NT's development), or "the person that coded line for the product" (who doesn't exist). I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ;-) ). Probably my biggest disagreement over this whole thing is that every company has a linchpin, someone who is most responsible for the company's existence, and that that person can be considered the creator of everything the company produces. Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
Tim Lesher wrote: Oh, but I do so like the image of Papa Joe in a zero-G suit! Not to be contentious but I think a lot of people wished he had gone into space and never came back... Tim Lesher wrote: For example, if you ask me who's the person most responsible for the existence of the Windows XP operating system, it wouldn't be Gates (who was mostly hands-off for the better part of NT's development), or "the person that coded line for the product" (who doesn't exist). I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ). I agree there, but I still think that without Billg Mr David Cutler would never have gone on to create NT. There is a chain of "events" (if you will) which lead to all of Microsofts products. It started with Billg and he is still the driving force behind the company as a whole. Without him the company would be half what it is. That is MHO. Tim Lesher wrote: (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ). Well geee Tim, if you can torture English why use Latin at all? :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
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Hey, is friday afternoon in my office, so is time for a controversial discution. Because here at CP, we are in big part, MS developers I asked myself: what did Bill Gates in programming world? What was his contribution? I mean, someone invented UNIX, other create a programming language, someone create a new programming paradigm, and so on. But Billy boy? He just look at others ideas and exploit in the market???? Note: I reffer strictly to mr. Gates, not to Microsoft as a company. MS probably had some inventions, even I'm not so sure... :mad: :confused: :mad: :eek: Let's enjoy conversation! ;P :-D :laugh: Don Miguel
He worked on a Basic intepreter for CP/M. That was Microsoft's first product. He also worked on MS-DOS 1.0 which was the company's big break. Don't know if he did much programming after MS-DOS. See this link for a reference to his early work. /ravi "There is always one more bug..." ravib@ravib.com http://www.ravib.com
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Stalin built Mir, with his BARE HANDS! Please, only I, and Christian Grauss, are allowed to get away with daft parralells like that in a rebuttle. Oh, but I do so like the image of Papa Joe in a zero-G suit! :-) Just because they did not actually code line for line the product does not mean they are not the responsible figure for the product. That's a straw man. For example, if you ask me who's the person most responsible for the existence of the Windows XP operating system, it wouldn't be Gates (who was mostly hands-off for the better part of NT's development), or "the person that coded line for the product" (who doesn't exist). I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ;-) ). Probably my biggest disagreement over this whole thing is that every company has a linchpin, someone who is most responsible for the company's existence, and that that person can be considered the creator of everything the company produces. Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
Tim Lesher wrote: I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" Damn right!! Yes, a sofware architect!! What a pitty that he have no copywrights over it's product... He should be rich today:mad: :mad: As a mention: I agree, NT is a great product. X| X|
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Tim Lesher wrote: being the sine qua non of an institution's p.s. I don't speak french/latin/italian/egotalk. Heh. Dictionary.com. Learn it, live it, love it. :-) Anyway, it's not ego speak. I could have said "being a person without whom an institution wouldn't exist", but that's too long to type. I could have said, "Being the person who's solely responsible for an institution," or "Being the founder of an institution", but that's not what I meant. Say what you mean, in as few words as possible without changing the meaning of what you're saying. :-) I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? :-) I also read one that states "A pithy quote proves nothing." (Voltaire, if you care). Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
Tim Lesher wrote: Heh. Dictionary.com. Learn it, live it, love it. :-) I already do. Got the Dictionary.com JavaScript link in my IE toolbar ready for any word or egotalk phrase I have never heard before. The Google toolbar only JUST beats it for usefulness and ease of information-access. :) p.s. I think you need to modify your post and close the A HREF tag/attribute. Your post is one big link. (last time I did that it ate half the Lounge, so it looks like Chris has put some checks in, damn!) :-) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
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Tim Lesher wrote: Oh, but I do so like the image of Papa Joe in a zero-G suit! Not to be contentious but I think a lot of people wished he had gone into space and never came back... Tim Lesher wrote: For example, if you ask me who's the person most responsible for the existence of the Windows XP operating system, it wouldn't be Gates (who was mostly hands-off for the better part of NT's development), or "the person that coded line for the product" (who doesn't exist). I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ). I agree there, but I still think that without Billg Mr David Cutler would never have gone on to create NT. There is a chain of "events" (if you will) which lead to all of Microsofts products. It started with Billg and he is still the driving force behind the company as a whole. Without him the company would be half what it is. That is MHO. Tim Lesher wrote: (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ). Well geee Tim, if you can torture English why use Latin at all? :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Paul Watson wrote: I agree there, but I still think that without Billg Mr David Cutler would never have gone on to create NT. There is a chain of "events" (if you will) which lead to all of Microsofts products. It started with Billg and he is still the driving force behind the company as a whole. Without him the company would be half what it is. That is MHO. GREAT WORDS! But, please, don't try to make me cry!!! Probably youre phrase should sound like: "If David Cutler should have the Gates money at the time of NT development starting, he should realise a great OS!!!" <> :-D :-D :-D - you really talk about money here, aren't you??? But don't forget: the subject is software creation, architecture and innovation ;) :laugh:
