What did Billy for programming??
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Tim Lesher wrote: being the sine qua non of an institution's p.s. I don't speak french/latin/italian/egotalk. ;P I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? ;P :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? Isn't "kapiche" a cliched word from another language?:cool: -Mark Lenz
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Tim Lesher wrote: being the sine qua non of an institution's p.s. I don't speak french/latin/italian/egotalk. ;P I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? ;P :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Tim Lesher wrote: being the sine qua non of an institution's p.s. I don't speak french/latin/italian/egotalk. Heh. Dictionary.com. Learn it, live it, love it. :-) Anyway, it's not ego speak. I could have said "being a person without whom an institution wouldn't exist", but that's too long to type. I could have said, "Being the person who's solely responsible for an institution," or "Being the founder of an institution", but that's not what I meant. Say what you mean, in as few words as possible without changing the meaning of what you're saying. :-) I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? :-) I also read one that states "A pithy quote proves nothing." (Voltaire, if you care). Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
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Tim Lesher wrote: That leads to a lot of hilarious images: Ghandi builds nuclear weapons. Nobunaga created the Playstation. George Washington bombed the Taliban. Stalin built Mir, with his BARE HANDS! :rolleyes: please, only I, and Christian Grauss, are allowed to get away with daft parralells like that in a rebuttle. Kapiche? Good, now we have that settled... Tim Lesher wrote: Besides, if I recall correctly, Paul Allen had the original idea for Microsoft, and he convinced Gates to drop out of Harvard... So if Paul Allen had not "recruited" Billg, do you honestly believe MS would be what it is today? I will wager a nice bet that there is no hope in hell of MS having even 50% of the vision and driving force that it has without Billg. That is what I am saying. Billg may not have actually coded Dos/Windows/Visual Studio/VB/.NET etc. but he was the visionary, the driver, the man with the plan. Look at any good company, there is a man at the top who has a vision and who has the will and ambition. Without that one man the company would not be what it is. Much like in a software house, what happens to the best coders? They become architects and systems analysts. They stop coding and start designing, start envisioning and scoping the future. Just because they did not actually code line for line the product does not mean they are not the responsible figure for the product. Once again I must remind people that it is not the coders who are in charge, it is the managers and visionaries. They are responsible and without them coders would just bumble around and never get anywhere. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Stalin built Mir, with his BARE HANDS! Please, only I, and Christian Grauss, are allowed to get away with daft parralells like that in a rebuttle. Oh, but I do so like the image of Papa Joe in a zero-G suit! :-) Just because they did not actually code line for line the product does not mean they are not the responsible figure for the product. That's a straw man. For example, if you ask me who's the person most responsible for the existence of the Windows XP operating system, it wouldn't be Gates (who was mostly hands-off for the better part of NT's development), or "the person that coded line for the product" (who doesn't exist). I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ;-) ). Probably my biggest disagreement over this whole thing is that every company has a linchpin, someone who is most responsible for the company's existence, and that that person can be considered the creator of everything the company produces. Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
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I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? Isn't "kapiche" a cliched word from another language?:cool: -Mark Lenz
Mark Lenz wrote: Isn't "kapiche" a cliched word from another language? Hence why I put ";P :-D " at the end of my sentence :) I was being a hypocrite, comprenda? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
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Stalin built Mir, with his BARE HANDS! Please, only I, and Christian Grauss, are allowed to get away with daft parralells like that in a rebuttle. Oh, but I do so like the image of Papa Joe in a zero-G suit! :-) Just because they did not actually code line for line the product does not mean they are not the responsible figure for the product. That's a straw man. For example, if you ask me who's the person most responsible for the existence of the Windows XP operating system, it wouldn't be Gates (who was mostly hands-off for the better part of NT's development), or "the person that coded line for the product" (who doesn't exist). I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ;-) ). Probably my biggest disagreement over this whole thing is that every company has a linchpin, someone who is most responsible for the company's existence, and that that person can be considered the creator of everything the company produces. Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
Tim Lesher wrote: Oh, but I do so like the image of Papa Joe in a zero-G suit! Not to be contentious but I think a lot of people wished he had gone into space and never came back... Tim Lesher wrote: For example, if you ask me who's the person most responsible for the existence of the Windows XP operating system, it wouldn't be Gates (who was mostly hands-off for the better part of NT's development), or "the person that coded line for the product" (who doesn't exist). I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ). I agree there, but I still think that without Billg Mr David Cutler would never have gone on to create NT. There is a chain of "events" (if you will) which lead to all of Microsofts products. It started with Billg and he is still the driving force behind the company as a whole. Without him the company would be half what it is. That is MHO. Tim Lesher wrote: (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ). Well geee Tim, if you can torture English why use Latin at all? :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
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Hey, is friday afternoon in my office, so is time for a controversial discution. Because here at CP, we are in big part, MS developers I asked myself: what did Bill Gates in programming world? What was his contribution? I mean, someone invented UNIX, other create a programming language, someone create a new programming paradigm, and so on. But Billy boy? He just look at others ideas and exploit in the market???? Note: I reffer strictly to mr. Gates, not to Microsoft as a company. MS probably had some inventions, even I'm not so sure... :mad: :confused: :mad: :eek: Let's enjoy conversation! ;P :-D :laugh: Don Miguel
He worked on a Basic intepreter for CP/M. That was Microsoft's first product. He also worked on MS-DOS 1.0 which was the company's big break. Don't know if he did much programming after MS-DOS. See this link for a reference to his early work. /ravi "There is always one more bug..." ravib@ravib.com http://www.ravib.com
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Stalin built Mir, with his BARE HANDS! Please, only I, and Christian Grauss, are allowed to get away with daft parralells like that in a rebuttle. Oh, but I do so like the image of Papa Joe in a zero-G suit! :-) Just because they did not actually code line for line the product does not mean they are not the responsible figure for the product. That's a straw man. For example, if you ask me who's the person most responsible for the existence of the Windows XP operating system, it wouldn't be Gates (who was mostly hands-off for the better part of NT's development), or "the person that coded line for the product" (who doesn't exist). I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ;-) ). Probably my biggest disagreement over this whole thing is that every company has a linchpin, someone who is most responsible for the company's existence, and that that person can be considered the creator of everything the company produces. Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
Tim Lesher wrote: I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" Damn right!! Yes, a sofware architect!! What a pitty that he have no copywrights over it's product... He should be rich today:mad: :mad: As a mention: I agree, NT is a great product. X| X|
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Tim Lesher wrote: being the sine qua non of an institution's p.s. I don't speak french/latin/italian/egotalk. Heh. Dictionary.com. Learn it, live it, love it. :-) Anyway, it's not ego speak. I could have said "being a person without whom an institution wouldn't exist", but that's too long to type. I could have said, "Being the person who's solely responsible for an institution," or "Being the founder of an institution", but that's not what I meant. Say what you mean, in as few words as possible without changing the meaning of what you're saying. :-) I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? :-) I also read one that states "A pithy quote proves nothing." (Voltaire, if you care). Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
Tim Lesher wrote: Heh. Dictionary.com. Learn it, live it, love it. :-) I already do. Got the Dictionary.com JavaScript link in my IE toolbar ready for any word or egotalk phrase I have never heard before. The Google toolbar only JUST beats it for usefulness and ease of information-access. :) p.s. I think you need to modify your post and close the A HREF tag/attribute. Your post is one big link. (last time I did that it ate half the Lounge, so it looks like Chris has put some checks in, damn!) :-) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
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Tim Lesher wrote: Oh, but I do so like the image of Papa Joe in a zero-G suit! Not to be contentious but I think a lot of people wished he had gone into space and never came back... Tim Lesher wrote: For example, if you ask me who's the person most responsible for the existence of the Windows XP operating system, it wouldn't be Gates (who was mostly hands-off for the better part of NT's development), or "the person that coded line for the product" (who doesn't exist). I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ). I agree there, but I still think that without Billg Mr David Cutler would never have gone on to create NT. There is a chain of "events" (if you will) which lead to all of Microsofts products. It started with Billg and he is still the driving force behind the company as a whole. Without him the company would be half what it is. That is MHO. Tim Lesher wrote: (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ). Well geee Tim, if you can torture English why use Latin at all? :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Paul Watson wrote: I agree there, but I still think that without Billg Mr David Cutler would never have gone on to create NT. There is a chain of "events" (if you will) which lead to all of Microsofts products. It started with Billg and he is still the driving force behind the company as a whole. Without him the company would be half what it is. That is MHO. GREAT WORDS! But, please, don't try to make me cry!!! Probably youre phrase should sound like: "If David Cutler should have the Gates money at the time of NT development starting, he should realise a great OS!!!" <> :-D :-D :-D - you really talk about money here, aren't you??? But don't forget: the subject is software creation, architecture and innovation ;) :laugh:
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Tim Lesher wrote: Heh. Dictionary.com. Learn it, live it, love it. :-) I already do. Got the Dictionary.com JavaScript link in my IE toolbar ready for any word or egotalk phrase I have never heard before. The Google toolbar only JUST beats it for usefulness and ease of information-access. :) p.s. I think you need to modify your post and close the A HREF tag/attribute. Your post is one big link. (last time I did that it ate half the Lounge, so it looks like Chris has put some checks in, damn!) :-) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Got the Dictionary.com JavaScript link in my IE toolbar ready Yeah, those little controls rules. I used to have one that sat in my taskbar and gave access to Google, Dictionary, Babelfish, and about 20 other things. Unfortunately, I haven't found it again since Win2k ate my machine last... Also, Opera has a neat feature... if you select text in a web page, two of the options on your right-click menu are "Search for..." which searches for the selected text in Google and "Look up..." which does the same thing for dictionary.com. Isn't it a pain that Opera, IE, and Netscape each have a few awesome features that the other two don't? I end up using all three, as the mood strikes... Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
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Tim Lesher wrote: Heh. Dictionary.com. Learn it, live it, love it. :-) I already do. Got the Dictionary.com JavaScript link in my IE toolbar ready for any word or egotalk phrase I have never heard before. The Google toolbar only JUST beats it for usefulness and ease of information-access. :) p.s. I think you need to modify your post and close the A HREF tag/attribute. Your post is one big link. (last time I did that it ate half the Lounge, so it looks like Chris has put some checks in, damn!) :-) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
p.s. I think you need to modify your post and close the A HREF tag/attribute. Your post is one big link. Doh! I'd closed the A tag, but I had an unbalanced double quote. Thanks... Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
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Tim Lesher wrote: Oh, but I do so like the image of Papa Joe in a zero-G suit! Not to be contentious but I think a lot of people wished he had gone into space and never came back... Tim Lesher wrote: For example, if you ask me who's the person most responsible for the existence of the Windows XP operating system, it wouldn't be Gates (who was mostly hands-off for the better part of NT's development), or "the person that coded line for the product" (who doesn't exist). I'd have to say it's David Cutler, the original lead for NT. He's probably the "person without whom NT wouldn't exist" (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ). I agree there, but I still think that without Billg Mr David Cutler would never have gone on to create NT. There is a chain of "events" (if you will) which lead to all of Microsofts products. It started with Billg and he is still the driving force behind the company as a whole. Without him the company would be half what it is. That is MHO. Tim Lesher wrote: (to torture English in order to avoid Latin ). Well geee Tim, if you can torture English why use Latin at all? :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Paul Watson wrote: Tim Lesher wrote: Oh, but I do so like the image of Papa Joe in a zero-G suit! Not to be contentious but I think a lot of people wished he had gone into space and never came back... You're not being contentious, you're being truthful... :-) Maybe a better image is Papa Joe in a defective zero-G suit... *double checks for closed "i" tags... Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
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He worked on a Basic intepreter for CP/M. That was Microsoft's first product. He also worked on MS-DOS 1.0 which was the company's big break. Don't know if he did much programming after MS-DOS. See this link for a reference to his early work. /ravi "There is always one more bug..." ravib@ravib.com http://www.ravib.com
I love youre posts in this forum, but I couln't resist to reply to you with another link: http://netaction.org/msoft/world/MSWord2World.html :mad: :mad: Is a little bit longer article, but I couldn't combate that arguments.
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He worked on a Basic intepreter for CP/M. That was Microsoft's first product. He also worked on MS-DOS 1.0 which was the company's big break. Don't know if he did much programming after MS-DOS. See this link for a reference to his early work. /ravi "There is always one more bug..." ravib@ravib.com http://www.ravib.com
Oh, forgotten: You give me a link to a story, I give you a link to an article. ;P ;P
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Hey, is friday afternoon in my office, so is time for a controversial discution. Because here at CP, we are in big part, MS developers I asked myself: what did Bill Gates in programming world? What was his contribution? I mean, someone invented UNIX, other create a programming language, someone create a new programming paradigm, and so on. But Billy boy? He just look at others ideas and exploit in the market???? Note: I reffer strictly to mr. Gates, not to Microsoft as a company. MS probably had some inventions, even I'm not so sure... :mad: :confused: :mad: :eek: Let's enjoy conversation! ;P :-D :laugh: Don Miguel
Bill Gates invented the marketing vision to make personal computers a success. Before Gates came along not many people were interested in the consumer market or the small business market and most people were interested in proprietary hardware. Gates wanted generic hardware but proprietary software. I think he realized that at some level hardware is all the same, but software is where the real power is. So as far as "What did Gates do for the programming world?", the answer is that he opened the doors to the small business and comsumer markets. Thus creating competition for hardware manufacturers by giving them all the same market and leveling the playing field. Since hardware was no longer the driving force in computers, software became the forefront of competitive advantage and product differentiation. Would someone else have eventually done the same thing? Sure, but the point is Gates was first. The same thing could be said for the inventors of the transistor, C++ and UNIX. Someone would have eventually invented them. Just my 2 cents. Matt Gullett
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Bill Gates invented the marketing vision to make personal computers a success. Before Gates came along not many people were interested in the consumer market or the small business market and most people were interested in proprietary hardware. Gates wanted generic hardware but proprietary software. I think he realized that at some level hardware is all the same, but software is where the real power is. So as far as "What did Gates do for the programming world?", the answer is that he opened the doors to the small business and comsumer markets. Thus creating competition for hardware manufacturers by giving them all the same market and leveling the playing field. Since hardware was no longer the driving force in computers, software became the forefront of competitive advantage and product differentiation. Would someone else have eventually done the same thing? Sure, but the point is Gates was first. The same thing could be said for the inventors of the transistor, C++ and UNIX. Someone would have eventually invented them. Just my 2 cents. Matt Gullett
Matt Gullett wrote: I think he realized that at some level hardware is all the same, but software is where the real power is. Matt, I respect youre opinion. Is a thinked one. And I know now that is the answer I waited from this thread. Don Miguel
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Hey, is friday afternoon in my office, so is time for a controversial discution. Because here at CP, we are in big part, MS developers I asked myself: what did Bill Gates in programming world? What was his contribution? I mean, someone invented UNIX, other create a programming language, someone create a new programming paradigm, and so on. But Billy boy? He just look at others ideas and exploit in the market???? Note: I reffer strictly to mr. Gates, not to Microsoft as a company. MS probably had some inventions, even I'm not so sure... :mad: :confused: :mad: :eek: Let's enjoy conversation! ;P :-D :laugh: Don Miguel
Bill bought the rights to a BASIC interpreter and sold it to MITS in New Mexico for use with their Altair 8800 microcomputer. That's the earliest info I've been able to find... The Altair cost about $1900US and came with 1KB of RAM. It was sold as a kit, and the user had the fun of soldering all the parts on the motherboard and the 102 wires from the buss to the front panel LEDs and toggle switches. Additional memory (as much as 64k!) could be added - a 4KB card was $400.
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Bill bought the rights to a BASIC interpreter and sold it to MITS in New Mexico for use with their Altair 8800 microcomputer. That's the earliest info I've been able to find... The Altair cost about $1900US and came with 1KB of RAM. It was sold as a kit, and the user had the fun of soldering all the parts on the motherboard and the 102 wires from the buss to the front panel LEDs and toggle switches. Additional memory (as much as 64k!) could be added - a 4KB card was $400.
Thanks for this information. How this age begun...
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Hey, is friday afternoon in my office, so is time for a controversial discution. Because here at CP, we are in big part, MS developers I asked myself: what did Bill Gates in programming world? What was his contribution? I mean, someone invented UNIX, other create a programming language, someone create a new programming paradigm, and so on. But Billy boy? He just look at others ideas and exploit in the market???? Note: I reffer strictly to mr. Gates, not to Microsoft as a company. MS probably had some inventions, even I'm not so sure... :mad: :confused: :mad: :eek: Let's enjoy conversation! ;P :-D :laugh: Don Miguel
I highly recommend reading The Making Of Microsoft, Ichbiah/Knepper, ISBN 1-55958-071-2. Peter
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Tim Lesher wrote: being the sine qua non of an institution's p.s. I don't speak french/latin/italian/egotalk. Heh. Dictionary.com. Learn it, live it, love it. :-) Anyway, it's not ego speak. I could have said "being a person without whom an institution wouldn't exist", but that's too long to type. I could have said, "Being the person who's solely responsible for an institution," or "Being the founder of an institution", but that's not what I meant. Say what you mean, in as few words as possible without changing the meaning of what you're saying. :-) I read a quote once that said "If you have to use cliched phrases from another language to get your point across you have no clue what your point actually is about." Or something like that, kapiche? :-) I also read one that states "A pithy quote proves nothing." (Voltaire, if you care). Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
Tim Lesher wrote: Say what you mean, in as few words as possible without changing the meaning of what you're saying. I've been suspicious of that approach since my first programming job, using the programming language MUMPS (Massachussetts general hospital Utility Multi-Programming System). It's certainly succinct; but do you really want to say "build me an infinite loop here" in three characters, only one of which is visible? ("F, space, space", if you care :-)) Gavin Greig
