Do you have SP2 Installed?
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
We are having similar problems with Windows 2003 SP1. Its annoying that how easily MS turns things around and makes them work in a different way. Our support is getting choked up with the customer issues who have upgraded their servers to SP1 :( "Aerodynamically, the bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly, but the bumble bee doesn't know it so it goes on flying anyway." - Mary Kay Ash My Articles
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
Marc Clifton wrote: I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. I always run those kinds of apps. To paraphrase someone's .sig, it beats all the alternatives I can think of. (I also used to work on NAV so I know first-hand what kind of nasty stuff virus writers will do.) --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP :cool: LINKS~! Ericahist | 1ClickPicGrabber | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ Strange things are afoot at the U+004B U+20DD
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
Marc Clifton wrote: I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Only last week I clicked a wrong link when I was searching for something on the net (And it wasn't even porn :sigh:) The result was I had to spent days in getting all the spyware off. In the end I checked with three different spyware detectors and had to manually delete entries in the registry. Final result: No more spyware, I-net Explorer doesn't function correctly anymore :(. (ah well, firefox ;)) It seems to me the spyware is getting worse then virusses. So I would keep firewalls and viruscheckers on. The automatic update is disabled with me too, annoying little buggers ;P. No hurries, no worries.
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Marc Clifton wrote: I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Only last week I clicked a wrong link when I was searching for something on the net (And it wasn't even porn :sigh:) The result was I had to spent days in getting all the spyware off. In the end I checked with three different spyware detectors and had to manually delete entries in the registry. Final result: No more spyware, I-net Explorer doesn't function correctly anymore :(. (ah well, firefox ;)) It seems to me the spyware is getting worse then virusses. So I would keep firewalls and viruscheckers on. The automatic update is disabled with me too, annoying little buggers ;P. No hurries, no worries.
V. wrote: had to manually delete entries in the registry Which is ironic, because these detectors are supposed to do that automatically. :~ Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
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V. wrote: had to manually delete entries in the registry Which is ironic, because these detectors are supposed to do that automatically. :~ Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
I tried it on my laptop a couple of months after it was first released. I was initially scared off because it messed up a friends machine I took on to install for them (they don't have broadband so it would have taken ages to download). It took me a couple of hours to get their PC running again, but on my laptop it worked very well with zero hicups. I installed it on my other XP PCs about a month after that because at the time not a lot of updates were coming through on Windows Update and I was concerned it was holding some back because I hadn't upgraded to SP2. I had a couple of configuration problems, but once I had the policy stuff set up correctly to disable the firewall and its ilk (especially that fucking information bar that blocks local XML files in IE from loading stylesheets) I haven't even noticed it is installed. I also don't use AV or software firewall solutions, and when I've been forced to do so for jobs or whatever I always find them annoying and ultimately not worth the effort. I have a hardware firewall between my network and the Internet, and common sense to protect me from getting viruses through user-action. It's worked so far, even running stuff like Ad-Aware every month or so it only picks up some harmless cookies. If you don't trust other users to be secure, don't let them use a computer. Easy. :)
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Marc Clifton wrote: I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. I always run those kinds of apps. To paraphrase someone's .sig, it beats all the alternatives I can think of. (I also used to work on NAV so I know first-hand what kind of nasty stuff virus writers will do.) --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP :cool: LINKS~! Ericahist | 1ClickPicGrabber | CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ Strange things are afoot at the U+004B U+20DD
Michael Dunn wrote: it beats all the alternatives I can think of. I know, I know. But when I've run them in the past, they seem so intrusive. Flagging potential virii, always downloading updates, blocking things that shouldn't be blocked. It's a configuration nightmare. And frankly, I wasn't impressed with the degredation of performance when the virus checker was running. Yet more "don't check files of *this* extension" configuration. :sigh: I guess I just don't like to buy into the fear mentality that these products promote. Of course, this probably means I'm buying into the "dumb" mentality. :-D Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
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I tried it on my laptop a couple of months after it was first released. I was initially scared off because it messed up a friends machine I took on to install for them (they don't have broadband so it would have taken ages to download). It took me a couple of hours to get their PC running again, but on my laptop it worked very well with zero hicups. I installed it on my other XP PCs about a month after that because at the time not a lot of updates were coming through on Windows Update and I was concerned it was holding some back because I hadn't upgraded to SP2. I had a couple of configuration problems, but once I had the policy stuff set up correctly to disable the firewall and its ilk (especially that fucking information bar that blocks local XML files in IE from loading stylesheets) I haven't even noticed it is installed. I also don't use AV or software firewall solutions, and when I've been forced to do so for jobs or whatever I always find them annoying and ultimately not worth the effort. I have a hardware firewall between my network and the Internet, and common sense to protect me from getting viruses through user-action. It's worked so far, even running stuff like Ad-Aware every month or so it only picks up some harmless cookies. If you don't trust other users to be secure, don't let them use a computer. Easy. :)
Ðavid Wulff The Royal Woofle Museum
Audioscrobbler :: flikrDie Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen
David Wulff wrote: I tried it on my laptop a couple of months after it was first released. I did that too. I was surprised I didn't have any problems. David Wulff wrote: I always find them annoying and ultimately not worth the effort We had virii checkers installed on all the systems at my client's work. The owners kids used the computers during the summer and somehow some virus got on them. Of course, the virus checker completely failed to detect the virus. It was impossible to get on the internet and download the updates, because they had a very slow dial up connection. I downloaded the updates from home, but of course Symantec didn't let you install updates from a CD. And of course, the core product installs and then immediately wants to hit the Internet for the latest updates. The end result was, the virus checker was useless, getting updates into the thing was impossible, and we simply reinstalled the OS and software. And the kids? The owner couldn't care less what they did. They were on the computers again the next week. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
Trying to install SP2 on an SP1 machine totally screwed up the installation. It crashed half-way and couldn't continue nor revert back to the original state. I had to format/reinstall everything. During reinstallation I used a slipstreamed XP CD (with SP2). That worked without problems :-) Nish
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
I have SP2 installed but have the firewall and virus check turned off. I have another anti-virus solution. The one annoying thing is every time I get a Windows update they turn on the firewall, why do they have to mess with the settings! :mad: I have recently had to re-install windows xp on a few of my family/friends computers and I always make sure to turn all that stuff on. They don’t realize what they are doing and mess stuff up with in weeks of a fresh install. I would always advise to have everything turned on for someone who is not technical or know what they are doing, otherwise you can just stay out of trouble and not need it all.
There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. We shouldn't assume something's debugged just because everyone in the whole world has access to the source code.
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
I have it loaded on my laptop, but not on my desktop, since I just reloaded that machine. I've had no issues on the laptop since loading it. I have run from time to time run with no firewall or virus checker for weeks, and luckily never got any viruses. It felt crazy doing it, like streaking down Main St., but those thrill-seeking days are over.:sigh: BW
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
I've used & installed SP2 on four machines - no problems whatsoever. However, my first actions are:
- Disable the firewall & firewall monitoring - I've got a hardware firewall & I also use Zonealarm on my home desktop PC
- Disable virus checking - I use an old version of Norton on my desktop (the signatures are all up to date, but I've not upgraded since 2001). On my laptop, I have no virus checking, but I run as a limited user (it's for development), so I'm reasonably happy security-wise
Must admit I've disabled virus checking on my work PC - we have F-Secure and it had a significant (bad) effect on compilations. Norton doesn't seem to be anywhere near as bad, performance-wise! Stuart Dootson 'Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p'
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
I have it installed on the PC at home (Teenager uses it) but not on my laptop. I also have disabled the firewall on the SP2 and both have automatic updates switched off. I have a basic firewall on the router and use NAT. This seems to be enough as weekly checks with AVG and AdAware both always show clean (besides some tracking cookies and despite the fact that Kazza is installed on the PC). If i want a particular update i go to windows update and do it manually. On the other hand i have just re-installed XP-Pro on a PC a built for a friend of my wife for the 3rd time. They are on broadband using only a USB ADSL modem and every few months the PC gets so bogged down with MALware it simply stops working (Yes i have put antivirus and Adaware on it but it either never gets run or i found they turned AVG off because it warned them about something they tried to download, Damn teenage boys). This PC now has SP2 with everything turned on now. It should be a good test. With any luck i should get to christmas before i see it again. Jon
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I have SP2 installed but have the firewall and virus check turned off. I have another anti-virus solution. The one annoying thing is every time I get a Windows update they turn on the firewall, why do they have to mess with the settings! :mad: I have recently had to re-install windows xp on a few of my family/friends computers and I always make sure to turn all that stuff on. They don’t realize what they are doing and mess stuff up with in weeks of a fresh install. I would always advise to have everything turned on for someone who is not technical or know what they are doing, otherwise you can just stay out of trouble and not need it all.
There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. We shouldn't assume something's debugged just because everyone in the whole world has access to the source code.
I make sure I install virus checkers and firewalls on family and friends pcs, set them up correctly so they are always up to date with all the latest definitions, but in the end it makes no difference. As with most things, virus checkers and firewalls are only as good as the person using them, if they open up that dodgy email out of curiosity or just always click yes when the firewall prompts them then it's pointless having them. To back this up I was taking a look at a friends machine last night and thought I better run the virus checker just in case and it turned up 20 viruses!! I then run Ad-Aware and it came up with 100s of reg keys, files, cookies etc. I only built the machine fresh for him a month or so ago :omg:
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
Not long after it was released, I tried it on my laptop, and it completely screwed my wireless. Not sure if that's SP2's problem or an incompatibility with the particular wireless client I have... but regardless, I'm back to SP1. I haven't installed it on my desktop for fear something might screw up.... that and the fact that the sysadmin here is not a fan of SP2 and frowns upon those who install it. The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance.
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I make sure I install virus checkers and firewalls on family and friends pcs, set them up correctly so they are always up to date with all the latest definitions, but in the end it makes no difference. As with most things, virus checkers and firewalls are only as good as the person using them, if they open up that dodgy email out of curiosity or just always click yes when the firewall prompts them then it's pointless having them. To back this up I was taking a look at a friends machine last night and thought I better run the virus checker just in case and it turned up 20 viruses!! I then run Ad-Aware and it came up with 100s of reg keys, files, cookies etc. I only built the machine fresh for him a month or so ago :omg:
Paul Cole wrote: To back this up I was taking a look at a friends machine last night and thought I better run the virus checker just in case and it turned up 20 viruses!! I then run Ad-Aware and it came up with 100s of reg keys, files, cookies etc. I only built the machine fresh for him a month or so ago I did the same thing over the weekend. I was checking out two pc's, one had 30 viruses and about 20 reg keys, files, cookies and the other had about 5 viruses and 10 reg keys, files and cookies. Some things we just can't prevent!
There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. We shouldn't assume something's debugged just because everyone in the whole world has access to the source code.
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
My first thought when I saw this thread: What the heck did you write to cause such a low vote? :-O
Ryan
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So, today is the day the SP2 is jammed down your throat, or shoved up your... ah, yeah, anyways. So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? 1 - yes 5 - no I've got it installed on one machine but not on the other. In fact, automatic updates is turned off on both (I do this as a general practice). I also disable the firewall stuff and virus checkers. Can't stand the things. Maybe I'm flirting with disaster? :rolleyes: Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing YAPO
Marc Clifton wrote: So, if you're running XP, do you have SP2 already installed? I have SP2 installed on my XP Home Edition. It prevented me from upgrading to XP Professional, the setup program says my operating system is newer and refused to run the upgrade (wasting my $199). There are complicated ways to get around this, none of them worked for me.[
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I have it loaded on my laptop, but not on my desktop, since I just reloaded that machine. I've had no issues on the laptop since loading it. I have run from time to time run with no firewall or virus checker for weeks, and luckily never got any viruses. It felt crazy doing it, like streaking down Main St., but those thrill-seeking days are over.:sigh: BW
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Yo quiero pancakes. Donnez moi pancakes. Click click, bloody click pancakes!
-- Stewie Griffinbrianwelsch wrote: It felt crazy doing it, like streaking down Main St. A symptom of virus infection? :laugh:[
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