Very Interesting Read
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Mark Morford aka: Chicken Little. BTW: your post would fit better in the Soapbox. Anger is the most impotent of passions. It effects nothing it goes about, and hurts the one who is possessed by it more than the one against whom it is directed. Carl Sandburg
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Mark Morford aka: Chicken Little. BTW: your post would fit better in the Soapbox. Anger is the most impotent of passions. It effects nothing it goes about, and hurts the one who is possessed by it more than the one against whom it is directed. Carl Sandburg
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Mark Morford aka: Chicken Little. BTW: your post would fit better in the Soapbox. Anger is the most impotent of passions. It effects nothing it goes about, and hurts the one who is possessed by it more than the one against whom it is directed. Carl Sandburg
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Why better in the Soap Box? Because you don't like the sentiment of the article? Are you the arbiter of this forum?
fakefur wrote: Why better in the Soap Box? It's one of those passionate, opinion pieces that tends to inspire passionate responses. Replace "passionate" with "obnoxious" in certain cases, and you get the reason for the existance of The Soapbox. fakefur wrote: Because you don't like the sentiment of the article? Don't be rude. fakefur wrote: Are you the arbiter of this forum? Yes, he is. So am i. So will you be, once you take the time to learn the Ways of the Forums. :)
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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to this columnist I'd just say "quit your whining and deal with it"...
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Haing just read Bjorn Lomborg's excellent book on Chris' recommendation, I say: Hogwash. http://www.lomborg.com/books.htm[^] David
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Haing just read Bjorn Lomborg's excellent book on Chris' recommendation, I say: Hogwash. http://www.lomborg.com/books.htm[^] David
Ohhhhhh I see - the opinions of that many scientists around the world is unimportant and not to be taken seriously because someone called Chris says a book that says "Everything Is OK" is a good read? People like you are why the world is like it is Bleh This site sucks
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Ohhhhhh I see - the opinions of that many scientists around the world is unimportant and not to be taken seriously because someone called Chris says a book that says "Everything Is OK" is a good read? People like you are why the world is like it is Bleh This site sucks
fakefur wrote: People like you are why the world is like it is Personally, I take that as a compliment. David
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fakefur wrote: People like you are why the world is like it is Personally, I take that as a compliment. David
hehe, surely you mean something like: World is the best place we have to live in? :-D David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Ohhhhhh I see - the opinions of that many scientists around the world is unimportant and not to be taken seriously because someone called Chris says a book that says "Everything Is OK" is a good read? People like you are why the world is like it is Bleh This site sucks
BTW, You're kidding right. Read the book. The last 100 pages of the book provide 2900 solid footnotes to facts, facts that are internationally recognized, and Lomborg systematically disects most of the propoganda put out by the environmental movement in the last 15-20 years. Are there things we need to work on, yes absolutely deforestation in poor nations is one I'm personally passionate about and I think the rich nations should put their money where their mouths are and compensate the poor nations for not cutting down forests. Does anyone, anywhere need to be pushing the panic button? I don't think so. How long can the currently identified Oil reserves last us at current consumption levels? If we are willing to pay an average price of $40 US a barrel they'll last 5000 years. David
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Ohhhhhh I see - the opinions of that many scientists around the world is unimportant and not to be taken seriously because someone called Chris says a book that says "Everything Is OK" is a good read? People like you are why the world is like it is Bleh This site sucks
Well, i dunno whether the article is right or not. But whining never helps anything. (As I keep telling my teenage daughter over and over and OVER again.) Ain't ya ever had a teacher that said "be constructive"? And this site DEFINITELY does not suck. Look around. There's a LOT more here than the lounge. (Although, I think the lounge is the best part.) ...Steve
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Ohhhhhh I see - the opinions of that many scientists around the world is unimportant and not to be taken seriously because someone called Chris says a book that says "Everything Is OK" is a good read? People like you are why the world is like it is Bleh This site sucks
Calm down man. First yeah, opinions of many scientists doesn't have to be taken seriously. Only proven counts. ;P btw, someone called Chris[^]is ex-scientist, not that it matters.. Regarding your link, that article is ... hmm ... actually wow, I am impressed. Just look at references! Rollingstone. Wow, that's something like National geographic, right? Surely there are better articles on that site. You (except kid sister maybe) should visit homepage... "they could help save the planet with porn" Wow, that's cool article! fakefur wrote: This site sucks Are you Linux developer? or are you developer at all? :| David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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Calm down man. First yeah, opinions of many scientists doesn't have to be taken seriously. Only proven counts. ;P btw, someone called Chris[^]is ex-scientist, not that it matters.. Regarding your link, that article is ... hmm ... actually wow, I am impressed. Just look at references! Rollingstone. Wow, that's something like National geographic, right? Surely there are better articles on that site. You (except kid sister maybe) should visit homepage... "they could help save the planet with porn" Wow, that's cool article! fakefur wrote: This site sucks Are you Linux developer? or are you developer at all? :| David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
David's thoughts / dnhsoftware.org / MyHTMLTidyForgive me. You are right. This site does not suck. Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. FYI I'm a developer yes. I develop for Linux, Macs and Windows so I don't have any particular religious fundamentalism regarding platforms so please don't get started on that tired old tune. So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? Surely not? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? The general attitude here reminds me of Nero fiddlig while Rome burnt. That's what I meant when I said the world is like it is because of the kind of attitudes I see here.
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Forgive me. You are right. This site does not suck. Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. FYI I'm a developer yes. I develop for Linux, Macs and Windows so I don't have any particular religious fundamentalism regarding platforms so please don't get started on that tired old tune. So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? Surely not? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? The general attitude here reminds me of Nero fiddlig while Rome burnt. That's what I meant when I said the world is like it is because of the kind of attitudes I see here.
fakefur wrote: Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on, period. Yet, no opinion has the same weight with all people. Question the opinions you hold dear before questioning anyone else's - because they also will question yours first. fakefur wrote: So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? No. Just yours. To determine if the opinions stated in the actual book are presented well enough to out-weigh those presented in the article you linked to, one would have to first read both - hence David's recommendation. fakefur wrote: Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. Good evening, Mr. Pot. My name is Kettle. Pleased to meet you.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
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Forgive me. You are right. This site does not suck. Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. FYI I'm a developer yes. I develop for Linux, Macs and Windows so I don't have any particular religious fundamentalism regarding platforms so please don't get started on that tired old tune. So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? Surely not? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? The general attitude here reminds me of Nero fiddlig while Rome burnt. That's what I meant when I said the world is like it is because of the kind of attitudes I see here.
While I agree that we are very wasteful, it has been shown that an errupting volcano does more damage to the earth then we could do in many lifetimes. The planet is an ecosystem and with most ecosystems it will balance things out. Besides, isn't the sun going to super nova in 5 million years? I think we'll be good till then. - Drew
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Forgive me. You are right. This site does not suck. Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. FYI I'm a developer yes. I develop for Linux, Macs and Windows so I don't have any particular religious fundamentalism regarding platforms so please don't get started on that tired old tune. So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? Surely not? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? The general attitude here reminds me of Nero fiddlig while Rome burnt. That's what I meant when I said the world is like it is because of the kind of attitudes I see here.
fakefur wrote: please don't get started on that tired old tune. easy. I just couldn't see why somebody who develops software with Microsoft technologies would say that CP sucks... so one reason could be you are Linux zealot or what or you are not developer at all. So I was wrong, ok. fakefur wrote: So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? Surely not? I'll try to answer from left to right :) It's not only about his recomendation, more about book itself. If you read carefully David's post he sad "Ha_v_ing just read Bjorn Lomborg's excellent book... ". IMHO main thing is the book (and David read it) not Chris's recomendation. I didn't read that book so I dunno. fakefur wrote: over 1000 current scientists say Where? Oh, sorry, I've found it: Presentations[^]. Downloading.... fakefur wrote: Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? True. Unless you are a mathematician :-D fakefur wrote: The general attitude here reminds me of Nero fiddlig while Rome burnt. That's what I meant when I said the world is like it is because of the kind of attitudes I see here err, like we don't care that world's coming to the end? a) it's not so true b) what can WE do? Oh my where did we come? It was all about your not-so-polite answer to Rob Grahams nice little advice that we (CP community aka followers of Bob) discuss politics, personal rants and ends of the world in soap box. If you said something like, "sorry, I am new here ok I'll post it there" we all would have nice day/night... (damn, midnight again :sigh:). David Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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fakefur wrote: Opinions are what we base most of our lives on without proof no? Opinions are what we base most of our lives on, period. Yet, no opinion has the same weight with all people. Question the opinions you hold dear before questioning anyone else's - because they also will question yours first. fakefur wrote: So Chris is an ex-scientist and his recomedation of a book is enough to out-weigh what over 1000 current scientists say is it? No. Just yours. To determine if the opinions stated in the actual book are presented well enough to out-weigh those presented in the article you linked to, one would have to first read both - hence David's recommendation. fakefur wrote: Some of the self-righteous people I seem to have come across just now are what sucks. Good evening, Mr. Pot. My name is Kettle. Pleased to meet you.
Shog9
I'm not the Jack of Diamonds... I'm not the six of spades. I don't know what you thought; I'm not your astronaut...
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes absolutely you are sooo right. The world is totally OK and we don't have to change a thing about how we behave with it. In fact we should all do more and more. Lets drill in Alaska to feed the greed of American car drivers for their giant SUVs. Lets chop down the rain forests to grow cows for McDonalds to feed people with so the big drug companies can sell them drugs to keep them alive. Of course lets not help people in Africa or India with AIDS because they are too poor to make a profit from. But no you are right. Lets just sit here and play word games and prove each other semantically right or semantically wrong. Like I said before. Bleh! X|
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The oil peak is something that is certain to come. It won't be the end of the world though, just means transportation gets very expensive... the important thing is when will it come. The estimate varies widely depending on the souce. The EIA is the most optimistic and estimates 2037, while in that artical it says it comes in the next few years. Most reports are exagerated one way or the other, according to political interests. The EIA don't want investors to panic, so they give a rosy outlook, while the enviromentalists want people to start conserving.