India test-fires short range nuclear missile
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Maybe they should concentrate on things like these instead. ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]
Hey, where did you did that up from? Pretty sad! But security and nuclear technology development are very important in the long-run. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Hey, where did you did that up from? Pretty sad! But security and nuclear technology development are very important in the long-run. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
Nish, Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Pretty sad! Yep, sad it is. I'm sure it's not the only example of social problems in India. But security and nuclear technology development are very important in the long-run. So it's OK to spend fortunes in "security" while a significant portion of your population is - to put it mildly - in the hole? ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]
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Nish, Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Pretty sad! Yep, sad it is. I'm sure it's not the only example of social problems in India. But security and nuclear technology development are very important in the long-run. So it's OK to spend fortunes in "security" while a significant portion of your population is - to put it mildly - in the hole? ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]
Klaus Probst wrote: So it's OK to spend fortunes in "security" while a significant portion of your population is - to put it mildly - in the hole? Well, India has a population of over 1 Billion. And half of those people shouldn't even have been there. I mean if India had only 500 million, everyone would have had twice as much money and other resources. What's even sadder is that the poorer someone is, the more number of children they have. I have often seen families living in tents in the side roads where each family has 7-8 kids. Imagine that! I think the government should bring out a forceful rule that people can have offspring IF and ONLY IF they can support them. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Klaus Probst wrote: So it's OK to spend fortunes in "security" while a significant portion of your population is - to put it mildly - in the hole? Well, India has a population of over 1 Billion. And half of those people shouldn't even have been there. I mean if India had only 500 million, everyone would have had twice as much money and other resources. What's even sadder is that the poorer someone is, the more number of children they have. I have often seen families living in tents in the side roads where each family has 7-8 kids. Imagine that! I think the government should bring out a forceful rule that people can have offspring IF and ONLY IF they can support them. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I think the government should bring out a forceful rule that people can have offspring IF and ONLY IF they can support them. This is against basic human rights. And it also doesn't work (hint: see China with it's fiasko of 2+1 model). Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I mean if India had only 500 million, everyone would have had twice as much money and other resources. It is well known that the problem is not with lack of the resources but with it's distribution. Spending billions of dollars on nuclear weapons is a good example of that (and I am talking about any country doing that). Would that money be spent to, lets say, build the roads and support the factories would be much better for everybody.
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I think the government should bring out a forceful rule that people can have offspring IF and ONLY IF they can support them. This is against basic human rights. And it also doesn't work (hint: see China with it's fiasko of 2+1 model). Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I mean if India had only 500 million, everyone would have had twice as much money and other resources. It is well known that the problem is not with lack of the resources but with it's distribution. Spending billions of dollars on nuclear weapons is a good example of that (and I am talking about any country doing that). Would that money be spent to, lets say, build the roads and support the factories would be much better for everybody.
George wrote: Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I think the government should bring out a forceful rule that people can have offspring IF and ONLY IF they can support them. This is against basic human rights. Well, but in my opinion, it's even worse that a child is born and even before its birth its future has been pre-decided, a future in the slums amidst poverty, hunger and disease. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Nish, Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Pretty sad! Yep, sad it is. I'm sure it's not the only example of social problems in India. But security and nuclear technology development are very important in the long-run. So it's OK to spend fortunes in "security" while a significant portion of your population is - to put it mildly - in the hole? ___________ Klaus [www.vbbox.com]
Klaus Probst wrote: So it's OK to spend fortunes in "security" while a significant portion of your population is - to put it mildly - in the hole? I think that in our cruel and globalized world, some country are not allow to do that kind of investment. The most important thing for the countrys today is the "international respect". In case of india, they have nukes... so they are respected. Now... let´s get another side of the story: Brazil. We are country we natural riches, working people and cranky military. How can some international comunity respect a country like this ? So... they just say: let´s lend them some money with an extreme high tax (it´s quite a good business to them!) and export some thinghys to then. This is the same case as Mexico and now Argentina (theyer case is even worser, they don´t have anything to pay theyrs debts, we at least have). I´m not a very "political" person (actualy I HATE politics), but I think that the international community should try to understand each country role in the development of our world, and try to respect each other equally. Mauricio Teichmann Ritter Brazil mauricioritter@hotmail.com
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George wrote: Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I think the government should bring out a forceful rule that people can have offspring IF and ONLY IF they can support them. This is against basic human rights. Well, but in my opinion, it's even worse that a child is born and even before its birth its future has been pre-decided, a future in the slums amidst poverty, hunger and disease. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
I´ve to agree with Nish. We have the same problem here in our contry. I tell you... most that these people that have DOZENS of kids didn´t want to have them (I mean... the women didn´t want to get pregnant, not that they don´t accept the kids), but they don´t know how to prevent them. Mauricio Teichmann Ritter Brazil mauricioritter@hotmail.com
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I´ve to agree with Nish. We have the same problem here in our contry. I tell you... most that these people that have DOZENS of kids didn´t want to have them (I mean... the women didn´t want to get pregnant, not that they don´t accept the kids), but they don´t know how to prevent them. Mauricio Teichmann Ritter Brazil mauricioritter@hotmail.com
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Mauricio Ritter wrote: (I mean... the women didn´t want to get pregnant, not that they don´t accept the kids), but they don´t know how to prevent them. And how is the goverment rule is going to change that?
George wrote: And how is the goverment rule is going to change that? The goverment has a program to prevent that... but the population is quite big (and quite ignorant, most of them don´t even know how to read). The problem is the priority. I don´t agree with my goverment prioritys... but anyway I didn´t vote on them :) :) Let´s wait for the next year ! :) Mauricio Teichmann Ritter Brazil mauricioritter@hotmail.com
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I´ve to agree with Nish. We have the same problem here in our contry. I tell you... most that these people that have DOZENS of kids didn´t want to have them (I mean... the women didn´t want to get pregnant, not that they don´t accept the kids), but they don´t know how to prevent them. Mauricio Teichmann Ritter Brazil mauricioritter@hotmail.com
Mauricio Ritter wrote: I mean... the women didn´t want to get pregnant, not that they don´t accept the kids), but they don´t know how to prevent them. Yeah, out here some of these kids are the result of rapes. The mothers are often young girls under the age of 13. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Klaus Probst wrote: So it's OK to spend fortunes in "security" while a significant portion of your population is - to put it mildly - in the hole? I think that in our cruel and globalized world, some country are not allow to do that kind of investment. The most important thing for the countrys today is the "international respect". In case of india, they have nukes... so they are respected. Now... let´s get another side of the story: Brazil. We are country we natural riches, working people and cranky military. How can some international comunity respect a country like this ? So... they just say: let´s lend them some money with an extreme high tax (it´s quite a good business to them!) and export some thinghys to then. This is the same case as Mexico and now Argentina (theyer case is even worser, they don´t have anything to pay theyrs debts, we at least have). I´m not a very "political" person (actualy I HATE politics), but I think that the international community should try to understand each country role in the development of our world, and try to respect each other equally. Mauricio Teichmann Ritter Brazil mauricioritter@hotmail.com
Mauricio Ritter wrote: The most important thing for the countrys today is the "international respect". In case of india, they have nukes... so they are respected Are they respected, or merely feared as another big bully in the playground? cheers, Chris Maunder
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Yesterday [Jan 25] India test-fired a new shorter variant of its nuclear missile Agni. The spokesperson of the Ministry of external affairs, Ms Nirupama Rao, said, "This is not directed against any country. This is part of the technological evolution of our missile programme and its timing was determined solely by technical factors" The tested missile has a range of 700 KM. Ms Rao also said that the launch was part of India's effort to guarantee credible nuclear deterrence. Good news for nuke fanatics :-) Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Good news for nuke fanatics :confused: are you actually pro this whole thing Nish? Are you serious? My god... regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
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Yesterday [Jan 25] India test-fired a new shorter variant of its nuclear missile Agni. The spokesperson of the Ministry of external affairs, Ms Nirupama Rao, said, "This is not directed against any country. This is part of the technological evolution of our missile programme and its timing was determined solely by technical factors" The tested missile has a range of 700 KM. Ms Rao also said that the launch was part of India's effort to guarantee credible nuclear deterrence. Good news for nuke fanatics :-) Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
I hope India realise that one day the Americans are going to come and take away their Nukes from them and Pakistan. I'm sure that a better use for their missile technology can be found - how about Space Flight. The world needs more nations in space. Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Good news for nuke fanatics Personally I think Nukes have been pretty good for the world, it made the Americans and Russians think twice before trying to attack each other during the cold war. I do worry though that it won't be long before some fanatic somewhere in the world with a nuke says "what the hell, lets go down in history" Michael :-)
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Good news for nuke fanatics :confused: are you actually pro this whole thing Nish? Are you serious? My god... regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Martin Marvinski wrote: Unfortunatly Deep Throat isn't my cup of tea Do you Sonork? I do! 100.9903 Stormfront
Paul Watson wrote: are you actually pro this whole thing Nish? Are you serious? I think he is, and he should be. Until the US (lets face it, if it'll be anyone it will be them) invents a nanite defuser*, every country in the world needs to have a credible nuclear defence system. (note: defence, not offence). The idea being that it will deter anybody else with an ounce of commonsense from attacking them. Of course though, as recent events have shown, not everyone has this sense. * have I been playing Call To Power II for too long? ;) ________________ David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the first group, there was less competition there" - Gandhi
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I hope India realise that one day the Americans are going to come and take away their Nukes from them and Pakistan. I'm sure that a better use for their missile technology can be found - how about Space Flight. The world needs more nations in space. Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Good news for nuke fanatics Personally I think Nukes have been pretty good for the world, it made the Americans and Russians think twice before trying to attack each other during the cold war. I do worry though that it won't be long before some fanatic somewhere in the world with a nuke says "what the hell, lets go down in history" Michael :-)
Michael P Butler wrote: I hope India realise that one day the Americans are going to come and take away their Nukes from them and Pakistan. I'm strongly against the build up of nuclear arms and strongly for global disarmament (nuclear and otherwise). I also agree that regardless of what threats India perceives, she is better off channelling her resources towards healthcare, education and infrastructure. But as a proud US citizen, a statement like yours has me shocked and saddened. It leads leads me to believe you think the US should take away nuclear arms from other countries. I can't help but feel your opinion (if it is that) is based on lack of knowledge. /ravi "There is always one more bug..." http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com
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Mauricio Ritter wrote: The most important thing for the countrys today is the "international respect". In case of india, they have nukes... so they are respected Are they respected, or merely feared as another big bully in the playground? cheers, Chris Maunder
Come on Chris what is the difference. Can one tell the difference between acceleration and gravity ? The only true power and respect has to come with a touch of fear. Did not the rise of Nazi Germany teach anyone anything. Is the world becoming full of Chamberlians now when we desperatly need some Churchills. You cannot reason with a tyrant. Richard If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar
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Michael P Butler wrote: I hope India realise that one day the Americans are going to come and take away their Nukes from them and Pakistan. I'm strongly against the build up of nuclear arms and strongly for global disarmament (nuclear and otherwise). I also agree that regardless of what threats India perceives, she is better off channelling her resources towards healthcare, education and infrastructure. But as a proud US citizen, a statement like yours has me shocked and saddened. It leads leads me to believe you think the US should take away nuclear arms from other countries. I can't help but feel your opinion (if it is that) is based on lack of knowledge. /ravi "There is always one more bug..." http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com
Ravi Bhavnani wrote: But as a proud US citizen, a statement like yours has me shocked and saddened. It leads leads me to believe you think the US should take away nuclear arms from other countries. I can't help but feel your opinion (if it is that) is based on lack of knowledge. I believe that in the current balance of power, the Americans are the only ones who have the ability to take away India's nukes. If it came to a possible Nuclear confrontation between India and Pakistan. I like to believe that somebody would step in and take away their ability to destroy each other. Michael :-)
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I hope India realise that one day the Americans are going to come and take away their Nukes from them and Pakistan. I'm sure that a better use for their missile technology can be found - how about Space Flight. The world needs more nations in space. Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Good news for nuke fanatics Personally I think Nukes have been pretty good for the world, it made the Americans and Russians think twice before trying to attack each other during the cold war. I do worry though that it won't be long before some fanatic somewhere in the world with a nuke says "what the hell, lets go down in history" Michael :-)
The world is not ruled by the United States government. Most of the problems faced by the Asian regions are post-colonial and have been in the first place, created by the West (particularly Britain). India started its nuclear projects not only as a deterrent, but also to tell the world that NATO and Warsaw pact are not the only groups that have a "legal status" to possess nuclear cability and any treaties among these nations/groups are not binding on the non-aligned nations. India has never been aggressor in any of its wars. It has been in the fore-front of all UN peace-keeping forces, sending its army to different places. But, when it comes to a place in the security council these credentials are not enough. Syria is more qualified to get a US support. Now, after the nuclear tests, Blair has suddenly discovered the great things that India has done and promised support for a security council seat. I do not foresee India being forced into giving up its weapons or anything else, until reciprocated by other nations, including US. US does not have a moral plane, that is higher than anyone else in the world. I hope that Americans understand that they are the only sober people in the world to understand the perils of nuclear warfare. In fact, they are the only country who used it. The whole concept of globalization is flawed. Is it true that human resources is a commodity in business? Why is there restrictions in all developed nations for entry of people for under-developed nations (other than for security reasons), when they advocate their right to sell their products without any restrictions in third world countries. I believe that every country have a right to restrict anything and even fight for the benefit and security of its people. India has a failed social policy due to the flaws in the reservation policies. Kerala, the most socially developed state in India, implemented a land reform project in 1960s, when the fram land was re-partioned among the farmers. It also has the highest rates for hourly wages due to a very strong social movement. The state is now in trouble because industries prefer other states, where they can get people to work for 1/10th the wages. The people who work for the 1/10th wages usually end up in very bad living conditions. I hope that there is someone courageous enough to remove the caste and religion based reservation policies. In India, Muslims and Hindus co-existed till the arrival of the British. The mistrust in each-other have been a direct consequence of British
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote: But as a proud US citizen, a statement like yours has me shocked and saddened. It leads leads me to believe you think the US should take away nuclear arms from other countries. I can't help but feel your opinion (if it is that) is based on lack of knowledge. I believe that in the current balance of power, the Americans are the only ones who have the ability to take away India's nukes. If it came to a possible Nuclear confrontation between India and Pakistan. I like to believe that somebody would step in and take away their ability to destroy each other. Michael :-)
give up nukes or else ... what?? what are the options US have to take away these without going to war? Economic sanctions do not work. They have already been tried and revoked. There is no rebels which the US can support like in Afghanistan or (as being popularised by the media) in Iraq. There is no rebel force in Pakistan, that US can support in a credible manner. No one has the ability to step in here. India has a no-first-use obligation that has not been reciprocated by Pakistan. I never believe that Pakistan or Indian leadership now is foolish enough to do such a step. It is the stability of Pakistan leadership that poses the problem. Thomas
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The world is not ruled by the United States government. Most of the problems faced by the Asian regions are post-colonial and have been in the first place, created by the West (particularly Britain). India started its nuclear projects not only as a deterrent, but also to tell the world that NATO and Warsaw pact are not the only groups that have a "legal status" to possess nuclear cability and any treaties among these nations/groups are not binding on the non-aligned nations. India has never been aggressor in any of its wars. It has been in the fore-front of all UN peace-keeping forces, sending its army to different places. But, when it comes to a place in the security council these credentials are not enough. Syria is more qualified to get a US support. Now, after the nuclear tests, Blair has suddenly discovered the great things that India has done and promised support for a security council seat. I do not foresee India being forced into giving up its weapons or anything else, until reciprocated by other nations, including US. US does not have a moral plane, that is higher than anyone else in the world. I hope that Americans understand that they are the only sober people in the world to understand the perils of nuclear warfare. In fact, they are the only country who used it. The whole concept of globalization is flawed. Is it true that human resources is a commodity in business? Why is there restrictions in all developed nations for entry of people for under-developed nations (other than for security reasons), when they advocate their right to sell their products without any restrictions in third world countries. I believe that every country have a right to restrict anything and even fight for the benefit and security of its people. India has a failed social policy due to the flaws in the reservation policies. Kerala, the most socially developed state in India, implemented a land reform project in 1960s, when the fram land was re-partioned among the farmers. It also has the highest rates for hourly wages due to a very strong social movement. The state is now in trouble because industries prefer other states, where they can get people to work for 1/10th the wages. The people who work for the 1/10th wages usually end up in very bad living conditions. I hope that there is someone courageous enough to remove the caste and religion based reservation policies. In India, Muslims and Hindus co-existed till the arrival of the British. The mistrust in each-other have been a direct consequence of British
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In India, Muslims and Hindus co-existed till the arrival of the British. The mistrust in each-other have been a direct consequence of British polcies, that led to the partition of India. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :confused: Correct me if I am wrong but I think there was no 'India' before the British arrived. There were dozens of princely states that were are war with each other. But there was no single entity ever in recorded history. Millions of Indians are starving. The country had a record number of starvation deaths last year. Yet, the President lives in a palace bigger than the White House and maybe even Bill Gate's house. The prime minister and his cabinet live and travel in luxury. They have every reason to be patriotic. All this stuff with Pakistan is just to keep the starving masses happy. 'If we give them more than a healthy dose of patriotism, perhaps they will not notice our billions' is the idea. Suresh