The "Tiger" is released ...
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There is an emulator called Pear PC that allows you to run OS/X on a PC. SuzyB If I had a better memory I would remember more.
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There is an emulator called Pear PC that allows you to run OS/X on a PC. SuzyB If I had a better memory I would remember more.
Suzanne Boyle wrote: There is an emulator called Pear PC that allows you to run OS/X on a PC. Don't get too excited about it, it really doesn't work well from what I've heard. However, Mac minis start at $499, making Macs affordable. I personally have 2 (a PowerBook, and a PowerMac) and I wouldn't trade them for anything. For those of you who were turned away from Mac OS 9 or under, you really need to forget what you knew about a Mac and give OS X a try from a fresh point of view. It is definitely leaps and bounds ahead of anything else out there.
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Suzanne Boyle wrote: There is an emulator called Pear PC that allows you to run OS/X on a PC. Don't get too excited about it, it really doesn't work well from what I've heard. However, Mac minis start at $499, making Macs affordable. I personally have 2 (a PowerBook, and a PowerMac) and I wouldn't trade them for anything. For those of you who were turned away from Mac OS 9 or under, you really need to forget what you knew about a Mac and give OS X a try from a fresh point of view. It is definitely leaps and bounds ahead of anything else out there.
Have you found good dev enviornments for it? If so what are you using?
There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. We shouldn't assume something's debugged just because everyone in the whole world has access to the source code.
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Suzanne Boyle wrote: There is an emulator called Pear PC that allows you to run OS/X on a PC. Don't get too excited about it, it really doesn't work well from what I've heard. However, Mac minis start at $499, making Macs affordable. I personally have 2 (a PowerBook, and a PowerMac) and I wouldn't trade them for anything. For those of you who were turned away from Mac OS 9 or under, you really need to forget what you knew about a Mac and give OS X a try from a fresh point of view. It is definitely leaps and bounds ahead of anything else out there.
I saw a review of the Mac Mini. By the time you added enoghu extras to make it useable it cost mroe than a loaded PC :omg: Shame. Elaine (upgradable fluffy tigress) PS Don't ask me what that last bit meant, it's 5 minutes away from a bank holiday :rolleyes: The tigress is here :-D
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Have you found good dev enviornments for it? If so what are you using?
There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. We shouldn't assume something's debugged just because everyone in the whole world has access to the source code.
I just got a Mac to start developing drivers for our USB video hardware. The development tools that come free with OS X (XCode) are awesome. (I also love that I can write drivers for USB video in user space; it's so much easier when you don't live in the Kernel. Steve T
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Have you found good dev enviornments for it? If so what are you using?
There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. We shouldn't assume something's debugged just because everyone in the whole world has access to the source code.
While I haven't yet had occasion to use it, I have seen VERY impressive demos of XCode which comes with Macs. Plus, all your standard Unix/GCC combinations should work, at least for non-Cocoa stuff. For example, I've been a big fan of VI with your own make file and running it through gcc from command line.
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I saw a review of the Mac Mini. By the time you added enoghu extras to make it useable it cost mroe than a loaded PC :omg: Shame. Elaine (upgradable fluffy tigress) PS Don't ask me what that last bit meant, it's 5 minutes away from a bank holiday :rolleyes: The tigress is here :-D
I do agree that there are a lot of extras to add, namely bluetooth+wireless ethernet for $99, or a DVD burner. However, you really need to check around before you say it costs more than a "loaded PC". There were MANY comparisons done with the Mac mini when it was first announced. Two pieces of advice to try to compare "Apples to apples" (pun intended ;) ). 1 - The Megahertz Myth - do NOT compare speed to speed of the processor and think it's a fair comparison. PowerPC architecture is very different, and pure rate to rate comparisons to x86 don't really mean anything. The basic reason (if you are unaware) is that a PowerPC chip often takes far fewer steps to process a statement. There's a lot more to than that involving pipelines, etc. but I thought I'd keep it simple. 2 - Software - do NOT forget the cost of software to the PC to make it capable of everything the Mac can do out of the box. For example, the entire iLife suite, especially Movie and DVD making. I believe current minis come with AppleWorks which is akin to MS Office, so add on the price of that. Not to mention the cost of firewalls, virus scanners, spyware cleaners, etc. Just my $0.02 on the whole thing.
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This quote really got me ... "Despite a much smaller user base, Mac OS X has been steps ahead of Microsoft's Windows on key fronts since its first release in 2001." :wtf: ... and in case your wondering how the author backs up this claim ... "It's got more advanced and polished graphics. It's less prone to malicious attacks. And Macs look better than nearly all Windows PCs." :doh: Tiger OS is released (CNN story)[^] Just sharing the nfo. D.
Ripping on Apple is so 90's. Apple is on fire right now! You can't really compare OSX with OS9. They're completely different animals (pun intended). Seriously, OSX has some great features. In particular: Expose, Dashboard, and Spotlight to name a few that I really like. Plus it's based on BSD, so all of you "l33t" *nix hackers can get wicked with its console. ;P Now with the MacMini, they finally have a cheap Apple computer. I expect they're market share to grow. I know I plan on getting one this Summer.
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While I haven't yet had occasion to use it, I have seen VERY impressive demos of XCode which comes with Macs. Plus, all your standard Unix/GCC combinations should work, at least for non-Cocoa stuff. For example, I've been a big fan of VI with your own make file and running it through gcc from command line.
lmuth wrote: For example, I've been a big fan of VI with your own make file and running it through gcc from command line. What, there's other ways? ;P Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] Remember that in Texas, Gun Control is hitting what you aim at. [Richard Stringer] Nice sig! [Tim Deveaux on Matt Newman's sig with a quote from me]
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I do agree that there are a lot of extras to add, namely bluetooth+wireless ethernet for $99, or a DVD burner. However, you really need to check around before you say it costs more than a "loaded PC". There were MANY comparisons done with the Mac mini when it was first announced. Two pieces of advice to try to compare "Apples to apples" (pun intended ;) ). 1 - The Megahertz Myth - do NOT compare speed to speed of the processor and think it's a fair comparison. PowerPC architecture is very different, and pure rate to rate comparisons to x86 don't really mean anything. The basic reason (if you are unaware) is that a PowerPC chip often takes far fewer steps to process a statement. There's a lot more to than that involving pipelines, etc. but I thought I'd keep it simple. 2 - Software - do NOT forget the cost of software to the PC to make it capable of everything the Mac can do out of the box. For example, the entire iLife suite, especially Movie and DVD making. I believe current minis come with AppleWorks which is akin to MS Office, so add on the price of that. Not to mention the cost of firewalls, virus scanners, spyware cleaners, etc. Just my $0.02 on the whole thing.
First, buy a Mac if you want to buy a Mac; the costs are difficult to compare. The Mini has a good initial price point. However: I have no doubt that the CPU is quite capable, but for general daily use my 1.25 GHz, 512 MB Mini is the slowest computer I've used in perhaps five years. It feels way slower than my 2.4 GHz desktop I bought several years ago (for only a couple hundred bucks more...), and slower than my 1.4 GHz (Pentium M) laptop. As an example, with smooth scrolling turned on FireFox can't keep up with normal mouse-wheel scrolling on a lightweight web page such as Google News. (In fact, due to overall slowness of other browsers, I'm relegated to using Safari.) The problem isn't specific to things like scrolling: launching and using regular everyday applications is just slower. Smooth but slow. Regarding software, the bundled software is OK, but you can't compare something like AppleWorks to Office. The iLife stuff is also OK, but you will find Apple focuses very heavily on a few core scenarios and omits everything else; their application software isn't deep. This isn't necessarily bad or good, but different than what you may be used to on Windows. I also have problems with their on-screen font rendering - so much so that I would not want to use OS X as my primary OS. The typography is accurate, but not hinted or optimized for on-screen reading. For example, take the sans-serif letter E. On windows, the middle line will fall on a pixel boundary, even if that means it's not completely centered. OS X will center the middle line even if it means it straddles two vertical pixels, each at 50% intensity. This makes it look blurry. (I use high-DPI LCD displays, so I don't want to turn off anti-aliasing/subpixel rendering either.) That said, I like the Mini. It's fun to play with, and as a UI developer it's interesting to see how they sometimes do things differently. I have it hooked to a second display and use Synergy[^] to drive it using the keyboard and mouse on my PC (like multi-mon).
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First, buy a Mac if you want to buy a Mac; the costs are difficult to compare. The Mini has a good initial price point. However: I have no doubt that the CPU is quite capable, but for general daily use my 1.25 GHz, 512 MB Mini is the slowest computer I've used in perhaps five years. It feels way slower than my 2.4 GHz desktop I bought several years ago (for only a couple hundred bucks more...), and slower than my 1.4 GHz (Pentium M) laptop. As an example, with smooth scrolling turned on FireFox can't keep up with normal mouse-wheel scrolling on a lightweight web page such as Google News. (In fact, due to overall slowness of other browsers, I'm relegated to using Safari.) The problem isn't specific to things like scrolling: launching and using regular everyday applications is just slower. Smooth but slow. Regarding software, the bundled software is OK, but you can't compare something like AppleWorks to Office. The iLife stuff is also OK, but you will find Apple focuses very heavily on a few core scenarios and omits everything else; their application software isn't deep. This isn't necessarily bad or good, but different than what you may be used to on Windows. I also have problems with their on-screen font rendering - so much so that I would not want to use OS X as my primary OS. The typography is accurate, but not hinted or optimized for on-screen reading. For example, take the sans-serif letter E. On windows, the middle line will fall on a pixel boundary, even if that means it's not completely centered. OS X will center the middle line even if it means it straddles two vertical pixels, each at 50% intensity. This makes it look blurry. (I use high-DPI LCD displays, so I don't want to turn off anti-aliasing/subpixel rendering either.) That said, I like the Mini. It's fun to play with, and as a UI developer it's interesting to see how they sometimes do things differently. I have it hooked to a second display and use Synergy[^] to drive it using the keyboard and mouse on my PC (like multi-mon).
tonyschr wrote: The typography is accurate, but not hinted or optimized for on-screen reading. Huh. Is this because of the rendering engine, or because the fonts themselves are poorly hinted? Medication for us all You think you know me, well you're wrong
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I do agree that there are a lot of extras to add, namely bluetooth+wireless ethernet for $99, or a DVD burner. However, you really need to check around before you say it costs more than a "loaded PC". There were MANY comparisons done with the Mac mini when it was first announced. Two pieces of advice to try to compare "Apples to apples" (pun intended ;) ). 1 - The Megahertz Myth - do NOT compare speed to speed of the processor and think it's a fair comparison. PowerPC architecture is very different, and pure rate to rate comparisons to x86 don't really mean anything. The basic reason (if you are unaware) is that a PowerPC chip often takes far fewer steps to process a statement. There's a lot more to than that involving pipelines, etc. but I thought I'd keep it simple. 2 - Software - do NOT forget the cost of software to the PC to make it capable of everything the Mac can do out of the box. For example, the entire iLife suite, especially Movie and DVD making. I believe current minis come with AppleWorks which is akin to MS Office, so add on the price of that. Not to mention the cost of firewalls, virus scanners, spyware cleaners, etc. Just my $0.02 on the whole thing.
I have worked with a number of processors and know the PowerPC well. Because it is a RISC processor as opposed to the x86 CISC you actually require as many if not more cycles to carry out the same tasks. instructions are faster but by definition simpler. The advantage of the PowerPC architecture is that basic data throughput is higher for a given cost and it has better support for multiple PCI busses, very useful for applications that mainly involve data transfer rather than manipulation which is a large part of user based applications. Also, the amount of on die cache is lower than on most x86 implementations. No need to keep it simple ;) The tigress is here :-D
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Yes I understand that. I did development on a Mac under OS 7 and 8 using 4D ... I spent many nights rebooting that machine because the 4D IDE would crash for no reason ... I do not miss the Mac ... now I've no experience with OS X ... so I cannot speak to that, but I'm not rushing to get it either. My Win2k machine is stable, fast and I almost never reboot or restart it; it's my workhorse. D.
Well since I *do* have experience working with OSX, I feel compelled to respond here :) Developing for OSX is *nothing* like developing for the old MacOS was/is. XCode really isn't too bad, and supposedly the new one that comes with Tiger has some really kick ass features. The OS is stable as a rock, every bit as stable as Win2K, and it's easier, IMHO, to configure. The API's are worth looking at. I think everyone would benefit, just by seeing another approach to things. The NeXT API's like Cocoa (nee FoundationKit/AppKit), and Enterprise Objects have a huge number of really cool ideas and approaches that I think are really worth studying. The new developer API's in CoreData and CoreImage are also really, really cool, some of things in there are well beyond what Win32 currently has. The Spotlight API's are also interesting too, but I imagine that this is comparable to what Longhorn will have whenever it crawls out from it's rock :) ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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tonyschr wrote: The typography is accurate, but not hinted or optimized for on-screen reading. Huh. Is this because of the rendering engine, or because the fonts themselves are poorly hinted? Medication for us all You think you know me, well you're wrong
I belive it's the rendering engine. ATSUI exposes a lot of extremely advanced functionality, it's a PITA to program with in terms of simple things, but it has accurate rendering. Unfortunately you can see this sort of effect with it, however at the the resolution I use 1280 X 1024, I don't notice it very much if at all (or perhaps I've just gotten used to it?). ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!