Sad State of Education
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I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
i suppose that's what we get for insiting on standardized testing - teaching to the test (which is just a bullet-list with words left off). :( -c
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I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
That settles it. When I have kids, I'm sending them to a private school. "What would this country be without this great land of our?" -Ronald Reagan
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I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
I quite agree, John. I hate to sound paranoid, but does it occur to you that one of the first steps toward subjugating a society is to first control what the people know? Just because I'm paranoid doesn't necessarily mean that they're not out to get me... I was raised in California, before it became another Peoples' Republic, at a time when it had one of the finest educational systems in the world. It has since degenerated into a polically correct propaganda dispenser that teaches little but the liberal agenda. Here in Arizona I was at first appalled by the ignorance of the young, until I met some teachers. We can't even pass a law requiring a standardized test, primarily because the teachers can't pass it! :mad: So what can be done? I don't know how to reverse the trend so long as the Great Unwashed continue to vote for tea and circuses. For my part, I do a lot of volunteer work with children, and try to pass on the value of education and knowledge to them. Happily I find that their thirst for knowledge is still as great as my own was at that age. Hopefully they will find the knowledge they need to survive somewhere outside of the schools. Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
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I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
I went to Virginia for an interview. Between links I was sat in a bar and this guy started chatting to me? "Where ya from?" "England." "Is that near Germany?" "Oooh, you've got some wierd money there." "It's a five pound note." "Don't you use US Dollars in England then?" I just wouldn't have beleived these questions were real unless I'd ersonally been asked them. The guy may be a stereotype, but hey what a sterotype! I thought he was joking at first. Jeremy Davis http://www.astad.org
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I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Here in Tennessee, Van Hilleary, the Republican candidate for governor, took offense when an "Ivy league reporter" (his words) asked him about what books he is reading, saying that this kind of condescending attitude (assuming that people read books) insults Tennessee (his democratic opponent has a Physics degree from Harvard). Hilleary says that he doesn't need to read books because he "just knows" how to govern the state. For those interested in such things, Tennessee has the second-worst funded schools in the nation and, not surprisingly, those schools perform abysmally compared to the national average.
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I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. I agree 100%! We (the U.S.) are going to "politically correct" ourselves into oblivion if we aren't careful. For what it's worth, my kids go to a pretty good public school system (rural Illinois) that spends a lot of time on US history in pretty good detail. However, on other subjects where details may be lacking, my wife and I make sure they get more information at home.
Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "Programming is like sex. One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life." - Michael Sinz
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I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
It ain't doomed, dude. Its gone. "Thank you, thank you very much" Elvis.
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That settles it. When I have kids, I'm sending them to a private school. "What would this country be without this great land of our?" -Ronald Reagan
That settles it. When I have kids, I'm sending them to a private school. Actually, we're considering homeschooling for exactly the same reason. I have a hard time imagining that we can't teach a sane superset of what the public education system requires... Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
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That settles it. When I have kids, I'm sending them to a private school. Actually, we're considering homeschooling for exactly the same reason. I have a hard time imagining that we can't teach a sane superset of what the public education system requires... Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
I know a family here that does it, and his kids (grade-school age) are testing at high-school levels. What does that say about today's "offical" educational systems? "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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I went to Virginia for an interview. Between links I was sat in a bar and this guy started chatting to me? "Where ya from?" "England." "Is that near Germany?" "Oooh, you've got some wierd money there." "It's a five pound note." "Don't you use US Dollars in England then?" I just wouldn't have beleived these questions were real unless I'd ersonally been asked them. The guy may be a stereotype, but hey what a sterotype! I thought he was joking at first. Jeremy Davis http://www.astad.org
Jeremy Davis wrote: Between links I was sat in a bar and this guy started chatting to me In the Southern U.S., bars are not typically considered the kinds of places intelligent people hang out in, and certainly not the kind of place you would want to engage in an enligtening discussion of any subject. (Still, I'm pretty damned sure the guys was just trying to get your goat :-D. It is sort of an artform over here. Looks like he got it). "Thank you, thank you very much" Elvis. "Thank you, thank you very much" Elvis.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. I agree 100%! We (the U.S.) are going to "politically correct" ourselves into oblivion if we aren't careful. For what it's worth, my kids go to a pretty good public school system (rural Illinois) that spends a lot of time on US history in pretty good detail. However, on other subjects where details may be lacking, my wife and I make sure they get more information at home.
Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "Programming is like sex. One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life." - Michael Sinz
Sorry, meant that reply for Jeremy. Keeps putting it under yours. :confused: "Thank you, thank you very much" Elvis.
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I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Hello, you in the US are not the only ones with a degenerating education system. In the last PISA test (compares knowledge in Math, mastering of foreign and native languages etc.) Germanys and Switzerlands kids have performed pretty bad. And both countries where known for their good education systems in ancient times (some 15 years ago) So I think this is a trend much more widely spread in the western countries, than anybody likes to believe. I am a signature virus! Help me spread and copy me to your sig! Ooops I am infected
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I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
Welcome to New Jersey. I'm sure that this was someone's genius idea for social engineering. Here are a few other tidbits to get your blood pressure up: - Only 25% of the high school seniors in Newark passed the minimum requirements for graduation. - Newark school system was taken over by the state. One billion in state and federal tax dollars is being pumped into Newark schools per year. - They are cutting out various manual arts programs (wood shop, sewing classes, etc) and replacing them with art and art appreciation classes. Poetry is more important than learning how to fix the toilet. - BB guns and slingshots are illegal in NJ. - Drivers exams are offered in something like 30 languages. You don't need to know how to read or speak english to drive in NJ. - Any area of ground that has water on it for more than 180 days per year was considered a wetland by the states Department of Environmental Protection. Puddles in peoples yards have been labled "Protected Wetlands". - They cannot dredge the NY / NJ harbor area because the spoils are contaminated. Instead they are letting one of the largest harbors in the world silt up. The lawmakers in NJ come from a pampered liberal elite that is completely out of touch with the other 95% of the state. They are always shocked and amazed that people aren't buying into whatever social program is fashionable that day. But then again they don't have to eat the crap they dish out to others.
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I went to Virginia for an interview. Between links I was sat in a bar and this guy started chatting to me? "Where ya from?" "England." "Is that near Germany?" "Oooh, you've got some wierd money there." "It's a five pound note." "Don't you use US Dollars in England then?" I just wouldn't have beleived these questions were real unless I'd ersonally been asked them. The guy may be a stereotype, but hey what a sterotype! I thought he was joking at first. Jeremy Davis http://www.astad.org
What irritates me also is people who simply don't understand the different between "Britain" and "England". I've lost count of the number of times i've told people where i'm from (which is Wales), yet they continue to refer to my country as England. Simon "Does the room have a CView?" Sonork ID 100.10024
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I quite agree, John. I hate to sound paranoid, but does it occur to you that one of the first steps toward subjugating a society is to first control what the people know? Just because I'm paranoid doesn't necessarily mean that they're not out to get me... I was raised in California, before it became another Peoples' Republic, at a time when it had one of the finest educational systems in the world. It has since degenerated into a polically correct propaganda dispenser that teaches little but the liberal agenda. Here in Arizona I was at first appalled by the ignorance of the young, until I met some teachers. We can't even pass a law requiring a standardized test, primarily because the teachers can't pass it! :mad: So what can be done? I don't know how to reverse the trend so long as the Great Unwashed continue to vote for tea and circuses. For my part, I do a lot of volunteer work with children, and try to pass on the value of education and knowledge to them. Happily I find that their thirst for knowledge is still as great as my own was at that age. Hopefully they will find the knowledge they need to survive somewhere outside of the schools. Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.
Roger Wright wrote: Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. I believe this should be "Those who do not learn from history ... teach it." Dave "You can say that again." -- Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
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What irritates me also is people who simply don't understand the different between "Britain" and "England". I've lost count of the number of times i've told people where i'm from (which is Wales), yet they continue to refer to my country as England. Simon "Does the room have a CView?" Sonork ID 100.10024
Simon Walton wrote: What irritates me also is people who simply don't understand the different between "Britain" and "England". I've lost count of the number of times i've told people where i'm from (which is Wales), yet they continue to refer to my country as England. A few years ago I had to clean-up my company's client database and found the following countries listed: England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Britain, Great Britain, and United Kingdom I asked our sales reps, "Why so many variations?" Their response, "That's the way their company letterhead's read." I started digging out historical correspondence and sure enough, some companies in the same cities had completely different "countries" printed on their company letterhead. One company in particular had sent us letters from their manufacturing office and their headquarters located on opposite sides of the same city. One said England and the other said United Kingdom. :confused: I figure if the brits can't figure out where the hell they live, why should we try? ;P
Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "Programming is like sex. One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life." - Michael Sinz
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That settles it. When I have kids, I'm sending them to a private school. Actually, we're considering homeschooling for exactly the same reason. I have a hard time imagining that we can't teach a sane superset of what the public education system requires... Tim Lesher http://www.lesher.ws
Tim Lesher wrote: Actually, we're considering homeschooling for exactly the same reason. I have a hard time imagining that we can't teach a sane superset of what the public education system requires... FWIW - Some concerns I've had about the whole homeschooling process: 1. It's hard to imagine that two parents can match the breadth of subjects taught in a formal school. (ie. The kids may be math whizzes because daddy is a programmer, but may not know how to conjugate a verb or write an organized paragraph). 2. The kids miss the social interaction they would normally see in a school. 3. Lack of direct exposure to different cultures and races. 4. Lack of extra-ciricular activities (music, sports, etc..)
Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "Programming is like sex. One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life." - Michael Sinz
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I heard on the radio today that New Jersey schools are taking steps to trivialize, dilute, and even twist (with a definite anti-American bent) U.S. history. For instance, they have reduced the five years of WW2 to three incidents - the holocaust, the internment of the Japanese in the U.S., and the use of nuclear weapons against Japan. They will not be teaching the events that led up to U.S. involvment in the war (and yes, that includes the vicious sneak attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbor), nor the involvment of American volunteers helping in the defense of Great Britain during the Blitzkrieg, nor even our attempts to stay out of the war. Further, they are removing pictures of our founding fathers from state and local government buildings, and won't be teaching the kids about the pilgrims because of the religious bearing of the subject. I find it utterly unbelievable that some people think that early eductation is not supposed to do more that provide bullet points of history with no basis for the facts. This country is doomed. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Simon Walton wrote: What irritates me also is people who simply don't understand the different between "Britain" and "England". I've lost count of the number of times i've told people where i'm from (which is Wales), yet they continue to refer to my country as England. A few years ago I had to clean-up my company's client database and found the following countries listed: England, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Britain, Great Britain, and United Kingdom I asked our sales reps, "Why so many variations?" Their response, "That's the way their company letterhead's read." I started digging out historical correspondence and sure enough, some companies in the same cities had completely different "countries" printed on their company letterhead. One company in particular had sent us letters from their manufacturing office and their headquarters located on opposite sides of the same city. One said England and the other said United Kingdom. :confused: I figure if the brits can't figure out where the hell they live, why should we try? ;P
Mike Mullikin - Sonork 100.10096 "Programming is like sex. One mistake and you have to support it for the rest of your life." - Michael Sinz
Mike Mullikin wrote: I figure if the brits can't figure out where the hell they live, why should we try? Nah - we just like to keep the rest of the world guessing. ;P Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
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