Three sisters age 12 to 16 each have a baby
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Do you really think a 12 years old girl will decide to have a kid because she believes she will be helped by the State? Stan Shannon wrote: And you have to be blind not to observe that liberalism/socialism or what ever you wish to call it is makeing the problem worse and not better. Any data to corroborate your prejudice?
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Fold with us!K(arl) wrote: Do you really think a 12 years old girl will decide to have a kid because she believes she will be helped by the State? Sure, if that is what she has been taught at home. Some families have taught their offspring for generations how to be nothing more than parasites. There is no incentive to do better. They have a "If someone else is footing the bill, why wouldn't I?" attitude.
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K(arl) wrote: Come on, girls who aren't even able to use contraceptive means have no clue about social welfare Perhaps not specifically, but I think they have an innate understanding that someone else will clean up after them. BW
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-- Stewie GriffinExcuse me Brian, but BS. When a kid becomes pregnant, this indicates a serious problem, either in the education or a psychological distress (abuses excepted). Claiming that the State is responsible for teenage pregnancies is having the same discourse than the mother of these poor 3 girls: it is being irresponsible.
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"T-Jay"?!! As if the poor kid isn't going to have enough problems...
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K(arl) wrote: Do you really think a 12 years old girl will decide to have a kid because she believes she will be helped by the State? Sure, if that is what she has been taught at home. Some families have taught their offspring for generations how to be nothing more than parasites. There is no incentive to do better. They have a "If someone else is footing the bill, why wouldn't I?" attitude.
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Yeah, and pigs fly.
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Yeah, and pigs fly.
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Fold with us!I fail to see the point of your post. :confused:
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Come on, girls who aren't even able to use contraceptive means have no clue about social welfare. Stan Shannon wrote: I think that such cultural decay trickles down much more quickly and deeply than the left is willing to acknowledge Then explain why "Although the rate of teenage pregnancy in the United States has been declining, it remains the highest in the developed world. Approximately 97 per 1,000 women aged 15–19 — one million American teenagers — become pregnant each year. The majority of these pregnancies — 78 percent — are unintended"[^]. Explain also why Germany has "a teenage birth rate which is more than four times lower than that of the U.S", and why "France's teenage birth rate is approximately six times lower than that of the U.S.".
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Fold with us!K(arl) wrote: Come on, girls who aren't even able to use contraceptive means have no clue about social welfare. Yes, they do. It becomes a basic perspective of their world view from a very early age becasue it is a component of their culture. "I don't need a husband becasue I have the state as a substitute" You don't need to be very old for that to be understandable. K(arl) wrote: Then explain why "Although the rate of teenage pregnancy in the United States has been declining, it remains the highest in the developed world. Approximately 97 per 1,000 women aged 15–19 — one million American teenagers — become pregnant each year. The majority of these pregnancies — 78 percent — are unintended"[^]. Explain also why Germany has "a teenage birth rate which is more than four times lower than that of the U.S", and why "France's teenage birth rate is approximately six times lower than that of the U.S.". When speaking of the "rates" in the US you have to be more specific about which area in the US and which population group. Otherwise any comparison is meaningless. For example, in my son's high school, there is not a single pregnant girl or a girl with a child. None. And I can assure you that they probably get less "sexual education" than do those in much larger urban schools where pregnancy rates are much, much higher. To the extent that the differences between the US and Europe are legitimate, I will agreee that it is, in fact, probably due to the massive effort those governments go to in order to ensure that children are properly indoctrinated into a secular social order where birth control of all types is not merely easily available but vitrually considered a social duty to use. However, I see none of this as a solution to the issue. Firstly, not only have birth rates in general declined in Europe but so have almost any notion of tradiontal social relationships such as marriage. What is the result? Merely making more room for those populations in the middle east and else where that do not subscribe to such nonsense at all. So what have you really accomplished beyond the elimination of your own ethnicity altogether? The population continues to grow unabated. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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I fail to see the point of your post. :confused:
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DavidCrow wrote: I fail to see the point of your post. State centric, as in, "it takes a village" Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me K(arl) wrote: Date:8:50 23 Feb '05 I love you.
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I fail to see the point of your post. :confused:
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"Some families have taught their offspring for generations how to be nothing more than parasites" is the standard argument of right wingers claiming that these bastards of poor people are just lazy people living at their expense. This cliché runs for a while, especially among the people who have no idea of what is the life of the ones living with minimal resources. Of course, the behaviour you describes happens, but it is much more an exception than the rule.
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Three schoolgirl sisters have given birth aged 12, 14 and 16.[^] The mother of the sisters blames poor sex-education in school. I wish people would stop living in a blame society and take some responsibility for their actions.
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"Some families have taught their offspring for generations how to be nothing more than parasites" is the standard argument of right wingers claiming that these bastards of poor people are just lazy people living at their expense. This cliché runs for a while, especially among the people who have no idea of what is the life of the ones living with minimal resources. Of course, the behaviour you describes happens, but it is much more an exception than the rule.
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Fold with us!K(arl) wrote: "Some families have taught their offspring for generations how to be nothing more than parasites" is the standard argument Having seen and worked first hand with this type of lifestyle and teaching, Welfare included, it is not an argument. The families themselves will tell you flat out that they have no intention of changing. It's a shame, really. Maybe you don't have this type of problem in France, but it is ever present in the U.S. K(arl) wrote: This cliché runs for a while, especially among the people who have no idea... True, most people don't. Do you?
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K(arl) wrote: Come on, girls who aren't even able to use contraceptive means have no clue about social welfare. Yes, they do. It becomes a basic perspective of their world view from a very early age becasue it is a component of their culture. "I don't need a husband becasue I have the state as a substitute" You don't need to be very old for that to be understandable. K(arl) wrote: Then explain why "Although the rate of teenage pregnancy in the United States has been declining, it remains the highest in the developed world. Approximately 97 per 1,000 women aged 15–19 — one million American teenagers — become pregnant each year. The majority of these pregnancies — 78 percent — are unintended"[^]. Explain also why Germany has "a teenage birth rate which is more than four times lower than that of the U.S", and why "France's teenage birth rate is approximately six times lower than that of the U.S.". When speaking of the "rates" in the US you have to be more specific about which area in the US and which population group. Otherwise any comparison is meaningless. For example, in my son's high school, there is not a single pregnant girl or a girl with a child. None. And I can assure you that they probably get less "sexual education" than do those in much larger urban schools where pregnancy rates are much, much higher. To the extent that the differences between the US and Europe are legitimate, I will agreee that it is, in fact, probably due to the massive effort those governments go to in order to ensure that children are properly indoctrinated into a secular social order where birth control of all types is not merely easily available but vitrually considered a social duty to use. However, I see none of this as a solution to the issue. Firstly, not only have birth rates in general declined in Europe but so have almost any notion of tradiontal social relationships such as marriage. What is the result? Merely making more room for those populations in the middle east and else where that do not subscribe to such nonsense at all. So what have you really accomplished beyond the elimination of your own ethnicity altogether? The population continues to grow unabated. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: Otherwise any comparison is meaningless Do you mean the US isn't a nation but a superposition of heterogeneous populations, or are you trying to exclude some categories to get the right numbers? Stan Shannon wrote: I will agreee that it is, in fact, probably due to the massive effort those governments go to in order to ensure that children are properly indoctrinated into a secular social order where birth control of all types is not merely easily available but vitrually considered a social duty to use. So you agree than when a society has a rigid moral instead of a good education, the result is disastrous on the youth Stan Shannon wrote: Firstly, not only have birth rates in general declined in Europe I don't see the point to have a high birth rate if it is made of unwanted children: this will lead to much more societal problems. Stan Shannon wrote: your own ethnicity altogether Ethnicity?? What do you mean? Purity of the Race? My country is made by a mix of different populations for more than 5,000 years, I don't see why that should change now. And we are going away from the original topic.
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Three schoolgirl sisters have given birth aged 12, 14 and 16.[^] The mother of the sisters blames poor sex-education in school. I wish people would stop living in a blame society and take some responsibility for their actions.
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Mrs Atkins told the Sunday Mercury: "I don't care what people say about me. I blame the schools - sex education for young girls should be better." Well as she doesn't care I can happily say the hospital should have made her infertile at birth, because she obviously has no understanding or capability towards being a mother. I feel so sorry for her children, and I wish for their sakes their children had never been born because as mothers they have already been led far down the wrong road. Lambeth (London) - 104.9 pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15-17 Blackpool - 80.3 pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15-17 Nottingham - 73.5 pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15-17 etc... That's 10% - and those statistics would ignore the 12 and 14 year olds from that news article. What is the common factor for all those areas? They are all areas with social and economic deprivation. The same levels of education work elsewhere, the difference is elsewhere the parents support the schools. Do you want to know what's happening in the areas were previously high rates are falling? Health care workers - state funded, sorry Stan - are talking to the target girls and boys and explaining the concept of responsibility to them. There is no magical school syllabus this woman's kids were denied, the state simply went out and gave the kids what they should have been taught from birth at home: responsibility, rules and respect. A novel concept I know! "He was my first love but now I'm gutted because he doesn't want to have anything to do with me or T-Jay." Assuming he didn't run away after you named the poor future state liability, what did you fucking expect? You were 14 when you got pregnant. I'm assuming the father was out of primary school himself? Not all men are like that but he isn't a man and if he's sleeping around the neighbourhood at 14 then you aren't going to get any loyalty. "Ooohhh but he was my first love." That's why you wait. Sometimes it will work out bust most of the time it won't. If the whole world ran around marrying everyone as soon as they fell in love we'd all have the divorce rates of the U.S. Sex education for young girls is perfectly adequate - they just need to look around them. If they can honestly say they don't understand how they can get pregnant while at the same having sex with council estate boys then they have far bigger problems IMO. Kids are developing more quickly with each generation - this problem is only going to get worse.
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Stan Shannon wrote: Otherwise any comparison is meaningless Do you mean the US isn't a nation but a superposition of heterogeneous populations, or are you trying to exclude some categories to get the right numbers? Stan Shannon wrote: I will agreee that it is, in fact, probably due to the massive effort those governments go to in order to ensure that children are properly indoctrinated into a secular social order where birth control of all types is not merely easily available but vitrually considered a social duty to use. So you agree than when a society has a rigid moral instead of a good education, the result is disastrous on the youth Stan Shannon wrote: Firstly, not only have birth rates in general declined in Europe I don't see the point to have a high birth rate if it is made of unwanted children: this will lead to much more societal problems. Stan Shannon wrote: your own ethnicity altogether Ethnicity?? What do you mean? Purity of the Race? My country is made by a mix of different populations for more than 5,000 years, I don't see why that should change now. And we are going away from the original topic.
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Fold with us!K(arl) wrote: Do you mean the US isn't a nation but a superposition of heterogeneous populations, or are you trying to exclude some categories to get the right numbers? I'm saying that comparing Middletown, IN to Los Angelos, CA is like comparing Greece to Ireland - there are many factors that have to be calcualted into the equation to understand the differences. K(arl) wrote: So you agree than when a society has a rigid moral instead of a good education, the result is disastrous on the youth I'm saying that disasters come in many forms. The children of Middletown, IN are not suffering from a disaster on any kind. They come from strong stable, church going families and are taught the concept of personal responsibility. K(arl) wrote: Ethnicity?? What do you mean? Purity of the Race? I mean race and everything that comes with it - culture, tradition, art, language. Your country, as with all others, may be a mixture of many invading races, but I can assure you that every invasion was met with opposition and that opposition assured the survival of the better parts of what had existed before. Your population will be naturally replaced by one that does not subsribe to your fine secular moral principles on birth control and your legacy will be something of a grand historic joke. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Mrs Atkins told the Sunday Mercury: "I don't care what people say about me. I blame the schools - sex education for young girls should be better." Well as she doesn't care I can happily say the hospital should have made her infertile at birth, because she obviously has no understanding or capability towards being a mother. I feel so sorry for her children, and I wish for their sakes their children had never been born because as mothers they have already been led far down the wrong road. Lambeth (London) - 104.9 pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15-17 Blackpool - 80.3 pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15-17 Nottingham - 73.5 pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15-17 etc... That's 10% - and those statistics would ignore the 12 and 14 year olds from that news article. What is the common factor for all those areas? They are all areas with social and economic deprivation. The same levels of education work elsewhere, the difference is elsewhere the parents support the schools. Do you want to know what's happening in the areas were previously high rates are falling? Health care workers - state funded, sorry Stan - are talking to the target girls and boys and explaining the concept of responsibility to them. There is no magical school syllabus this woman's kids were denied, the state simply went out and gave the kids what they should have been taught from birth at home: responsibility, rules and respect. A novel concept I know! "He was my first love but now I'm gutted because he doesn't want to have anything to do with me or T-Jay." Assuming he didn't run away after you named the poor future state liability, what did you fucking expect? You were 14 when you got pregnant. I'm assuming the father was out of primary school himself? Not all men are like that but he isn't a man and if he's sleeping around the neighbourhood at 14 then you aren't going to get any loyalty. "Ooohhh but he was my first love." That's why you wait. Sometimes it will work out bust most of the time it won't. If the whole world ran around marrying everyone as soon as they fell in love we'd all have the divorce rates of the U.S. Sex education for young girls is perfectly adequate - they just need to look around them. If they can honestly say they don't understand how they can get pregnant while at the same having sex with council estate boys then they have far bigger problems IMO. Kids are developing more quickly with each generation - this problem is only going to get worse.
David Wulff wrote: Sex education for young girls is perfectly adequate - they just need to look around them. If they can honestly say they don't understand how they can get pregnant while at the same having sex with council estate boys then they have far bigger problems IMO. Kids are developing more quickly with each generation - this problem is only going to get worse. Not if they barely pay attention to their education in the first place. I'd say its pretty likely that middle class teenagers are as sexualy active as those on council estates, they are just a hell of a lot more likely to have responsible parents and to have paid attention during pretty damn simple lessons. Ryan
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Mrs Atkins told the Sunday Mercury: "I don't care what people say about me. I blame the schools - sex education for young girls should be better." Well as she doesn't care I can happily say the hospital should have made her infertile at birth, because she obviously has no understanding or capability towards being a mother. I feel so sorry for her children, and I wish for their sakes their children had never been born because as mothers they have already been led far down the wrong road. Lambeth (London) - 104.9 pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15-17 Blackpool - 80.3 pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15-17 Nottingham - 73.5 pregnancies per 1,000 women aged 15-17 etc... That's 10% - and those statistics would ignore the 12 and 14 year olds from that news article. What is the common factor for all those areas? They are all areas with social and economic deprivation. The same levels of education work elsewhere, the difference is elsewhere the parents support the schools. Do you want to know what's happening in the areas were previously high rates are falling? Health care workers - state funded, sorry Stan - are talking to the target girls and boys and explaining the concept of responsibility to them. There is no magical school syllabus this woman's kids were denied, the state simply went out and gave the kids what they should have been taught from birth at home: responsibility, rules and respect. A novel concept I know! "He was my first love but now I'm gutted because he doesn't want to have anything to do with me or T-Jay." Assuming he didn't run away after you named the poor future state liability, what did you fucking expect? You were 14 when you got pregnant. I'm assuming the father was out of primary school himself? Not all men are like that but he isn't a man and if he's sleeping around the neighbourhood at 14 then you aren't going to get any loyalty. "Ooohhh but he was my first love." That's why you wait. Sometimes it will work out bust most of the time it won't. If the whole world ran around marrying everyone as soon as they fell in love we'd all have the divorce rates of the U.S. Sex education for young girls is perfectly adequate - they just need to look around them. If they can honestly say they don't understand how they can get pregnant while at the same having sex with council estate boys then they have far bigger problems IMO. Kids are developing more quickly with each generation - this problem is only going to get worse.
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David Wulff wrote: we'd all have the divorce rates of the U.S. :laugh::laugh: Then again, I live in the US and I just got married 3 weeks ago. :~ -J
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I'm glad someone saw the humour in that, I was half expecting to just get the usual bunch of low votes and that would be that.
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"Some families have taught their offspring for generations how to be nothing more than parasites" is the standard argument of right wingers claiming that these bastards of poor people are just lazy people living at their expense. This cliché runs for a while, especially among the people who have no idea of what is the life of the ones living with minimal resources. Of course, the behaviour you describes happens, but it is much more an exception than the rule.
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Fold with us!K(arl) wrote: This cliché runs for a while, especially among the people who have no idea of what is the life of the ones living with minimal resources. FWIW, i have a reasonably good idea of what it takes to live with minimal resources. It often isn't much fun. But it's no excuse for abject stupidity. I will accept no opinion hinting that it takes a high level of education to figure out that if you neglect your kids to spend your Gov't cheque on meth, you're gonna quickly lose both. And your kids are gonna grow up fucked.
You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale...
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David Wulff wrote: Sex education for young girls is perfectly adequate - they just need to look around them. If they can honestly say they don't understand how they can get pregnant while at the same having sex with council estate boys then they have far bigger problems IMO. Kids are developing more quickly with each generation - this problem is only going to get worse. Not if they barely pay attention to their education in the first place. I'd say its pretty likely that middle class teenagers are as sexualy active as those on council estates, they are just a hell of a lot more likely to have responsible parents and to have paid attention during pretty damn simple lessons. Ryan
It is all about social factors and very little to do with education. In high school I learnt all about the biology. In Biology class we even got to watch a condom being applied to a test tube, and other fun activities, which taught us fuck all anything about making decisions. I learnt more about the reasons I'm not a father today from my Religious Education classes than I did in Science. The only difference I have seen is that my parents, friends and local community all supported what the schools were doing, whereas nine times out of ten the parents of teenage mothers and fathers: a) have no idea what the schools teach, despite claiming they don't do enough, b) offer no at-home support to their children's education, and sometimes c) don't see anything wrong with what their kids are doing. The grandparents at 25 mentioned above are a case in hand. Many parents will try and raise their children to avoid the problems and perceived bad things about their own upbringing - it's what good parents are meant to do - but others will claim that whilst doing everything they can to force their children into their own mould. Living their own lives through their children. You can spot the problem families a mile off but what can we legally or morally do about it? Not a lot. They have as much right to be alive as anyone else which is the problem. Even bad parents love their children.
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Sometimes it seems like only stupid people are breeding.
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You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale...
I just heard that song on the radio yesterday! I've always liked that song but I think that I appreciate the lyrics more now than I did back when it came out. :) BTW, What is the name/artist of that song? -J
Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and monkeys do too (if they have a gun). -Eddie Izzard