Belligerent religionists
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"You need to vote for Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani," said Hasani [a representative of Iran's supreme spiritual leader]. "This way we will finally be able to have for ourselves the atomic bomb to fairly stand up to Israeli weapons," said Hasani. "Freedom, democracy and stupidities of this type cannot be carried over to any part, and these concepts are out of sync with the principles of Islam," said Hasani, the imam who led Friday prayers in the main city of western Iranian Azerbaijian. "Islam always spoke with the sword in the hand and I don't see why now we have changed attitudes and talk with the other civilisations." Link[^] Stuff like this just irritates me. Sometimes people just need to drop religion and think for themselves. Instead, we end up with ignorant, belligerent, and recalcitrant religionists who are doing nothing but impeding the progress of human society. ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^]
Brit wrote: "You need to vote for Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani," said Hasani [a representative of Iran's supreme spiritual leader]. "This way we will finally be able to have for ourselves the atomic bomb to fairly stand up to Israeli weapons," said Hasani. What is most disturbing is the extent to which such statements fly in the face of Iran's continuing claim that they only want nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. More disturbing than that, is the extent to which most of the world seems to believe them... How can one have any faith in negotiating with someone who lies to you? Can anyone really believe that Iran seeks anything other than to buy time by negotiating? Remember that Hasani represents the real power in Iran, the 'elected' government is just a sham. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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Yes my gut feeling is to agree with you, but you have to remember that you in the USA have/had one great, unique advantage over everybody else: you were able to start anew 200 years ago. You had the oppourtunity - and fair dos to you, you took it - to cut yourself off from your past, and were able to forge ahead without the weight of history dragging you down, like a ship's anchor on the sea bed keeping you from moving forward. yes I agree totally that it is the world's religious leaders who are 99.9% responsible for all the shit in the world. At least most of the people who came to the New World - mostly from Europe - had shaken themselves loose from the worst excesses of these religious nutcases, and while many did still carry their religion with them, they had at least toned it down to a bearble extent for everyone else. And by the very nature of the people who made the dangerous and adventurous trip over the Atlantic, and the open and free land they were arriving in, (well, we'll leave the slave trade out of it for now - that's a separate issue; and the Native Americans) and the desire to build a new and better society than that they were coming from - you had everything going for you. You made the most of it, and the USA is undoubtably the greatest country in history. Never mind God, for all our sakes, don't blow it. Phil (in England)
Phil Uribe wrote: ...and the USA is undoubtably the greatest country in history... Big call there, especially considering they have only been around 300 odd years. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Phil Uribe wrote: ...and the USA is undoubtably the greatest country in history... Big call there, especially considering they have only been around 300 odd years. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
My vote is for Atlantis, which was SO good that those goddamned aliens came along and transported it back to their own planet for use as a human-immersion theme park, then brainwashed most of the survivors into thinking it sank. "Hey Fred, what the hell happened to Atlantis again?" "It sank." "It sank? How could it sink? It wasn't floating on anything!" "Shut up and let's keep throwing rocks at those assholes over there who say Atlantis never existed in the first place." "I sure miss my HDTV. Atlantis ruled." - F
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Brit wrote: Sometimes people just need to drop religion and think for themselves. Instead, we end up with ignorant, belligerent, and recalcitrant religionists who are doing nothing but impeding the progress of human society. I don't want to hi-jack your post, but when I read the statement I thought you were talking about Bush and his religous fanatics constantly blocking the FUNDING of Stem Cell research. Then, I read the other stuffs above it.
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Phil Uribe wrote: ...and the USA is undoubtably the greatest country in history... Big call there, especially considering they have only been around 300 odd years. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote: Big call there, especially considering they have only been around 300 odd years. but that's half the point! It is precisely because they haven't been bogged down by their history that they have been free to grow so successfully. Of course you could say the same about Oz - to some extent, yes, and you guys have done pretty well too, but (and you will probably not thank me for saying this) you lacked one advantage the Americans had: most of the poeple who went to the USA wanted to go there, and they went with a determination to build a better life for themselves. And boy did they succeed - even if you won't accept they are greatest country ever, they are without doubt the most successful - economically, and in terms of human freedom. (There were other reassons too - geographical, for one: being closer to Europe it was easier to attract migrants.) Phil
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Yes my gut feeling is to agree with you, but you have to remember that you in the USA have/had one great, unique advantage over everybody else: you were able to start anew 200 years ago. You had the oppourtunity - and fair dos to you, you took it - to cut yourself off from your past, and were able to forge ahead without the weight of history dragging you down, like a ship's anchor on the sea bed keeping you from moving forward. yes I agree totally that it is the world's religious leaders who are 99.9% responsible for all the shit in the world. At least most of the people who came to the New World - mostly from Europe - had shaken themselves loose from the worst excesses of these religious nutcases, and while many did still carry their religion with them, they had at least toned it down to a bearble extent for everyone else. And by the very nature of the people who made the dangerous and adventurous trip over the Atlantic, and the open and free land they were arriving in, (well, we'll leave the slave trade out of it for now - that's a separate issue; and the Native Americans) and the desire to build a new and better society than that they were coming from - you had everything going for you. You made the most of it, and the USA is undoubtably the greatest country in history. Never mind God, for all our sakes, don't blow it. Phil (in England)
Phil Uribe wrote: the USA is undoubtably the greatest country in history mind you... Bob Dylan aside, you don't even come close to us here in the UK as far as music goes. OK, and Janis Joplin and Jimi hendrix. Alright, maybe Bruce Springsteen and leonad Cohen. Yeah yeah, and one or two others. :-) And if anyone even mentions Mowtown I will take back everything nice I've ever said about you! cheers Phil
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Last I checked this was a republic and each side of the debate has the right to block the other.
Anonymous wrote: this was a republic and each side of the debate has the right to block the other What has that got to do with being a republic. A republic is just a state without a monarch. I suspect you really meant democracy.
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Michael Martin wrote: Big call there, especially considering they have only been around 300 odd years. but that's half the point! It is precisely because they haven't been bogged down by their history that they have been free to grow so successfully. Of course you could say the same about Oz - to some extent, yes, and you guys have done pretty well too, but (and you will probably not thank me for saying this) you lacked one advantage the Americans had: most of the poeple who went to the USA wanted to go there, and they went with a determination to build a better life for themselves. And boy did they succeed - even if you won't accept they are greatest country ever, they are without doubt the most successful - economically, and in terms of human freedom. (There were other reassons too - geographical, for one: being closer to Europe it was easier to attract migrants.) Phil
Phil Uribe wrote: Of course you could say the same about Oz - to some extent, yes, and you guys have done pretty well too, but (and you will probably not thank me for saying this) you lacked one advantage the Americans had:... At no point did I think Australia entered into the equation of greatest nation/civilisation (or whatever it is you said). I agree that the US probably is the most successful etc. of the modern era, but of all time, I think they may need another few hundred years to enter into the equation. For all we know they may implode next week. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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"You need to vote for Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani," said Hasani [a representative of Iran's supreme spiritual leader]. "This way we will finally be able to have for ourselves the atomic bomb to fairly stand up to Israeli weapons," said Hasani. "Freedom, democracy and stupidities of this type cannot be carried over to any part, and these concepts are out of sync with the principles of Islam," said Hasani, the imam who led Friday prayers in the main city of western Iranian Azerbaijian. "Islam always spoke with the sword in the hand and I don't see why now we have changed attitudes and talk with the other civilisations." Link[^] Stuff like this just irritates me. Sometimes people just need to drop religion and think for themselves. Instead, we end up with ignorant, belligerent, and recalcitrant religionists who are doing nothing but impeding the progress of human society. ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^]
I see our muslim 1 voters have passed by again. Sad. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer
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"You need to vote for Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani," said Hasani [a representative of Iran's supreme spiritual leader]. "This way we will finally be able to have for ourselves the atomic bomb to fairly stand up to Israeli weapons," said Hasani. "Freedom, democracy and stupidities of this type cannot be carried over to any part, and these concepts are out of sync with the principles of Islam," said Hasani, the imam who led Friday prayers in the main city of western Iranian Azerbaijian. "Islam always spoke with the sword in the hand and I don't see why now we have changed attitudes and talk with the other civilisations." Link[^] Stuff like this just irritates me. Sometimes people just need to drop religion and think for themselves. Instead, we end up with ignorant, belligerent, and recalcitrant religionists who are doing nothing but impeding the progress of human society. ----------------------------------------------------- Empires Of Steel[^]
Brit wrote: Instead, we end up with ignorant, belligerent, and recalcitrant religionists who are doing nothing but impeding the progress of human society. Is religion the cause, or the pretext? I bet for the latter.
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Yes my gut feeling is to agree with you, but you have to remember that you in the USA have/had one great, unique advantage over everybody else: you were able to start anew 200 years ago. You had the oppourtunity - and fair dos to you, you took it - to cut yourself off from your past, and were able to forge ahead without the weight of history dragging you down, like a ship's anchor on the sea bed keeping you from moving forward. yes I agree totally that it is the world's religious leaders who are 99.9% responsible for all the shit in the world. At least most of the people who came to the New World - mostly from Europe - had shaken themselves loose from the worst excesses of these religious nutcases, and while many did still carry their religion with them, they had at least toned it down to a bearble extent for everyone else. And by the very nature of the people who made the dangerous and adventurous trip over the Atlantic, and the open and free land they were arriving in, (well, we'll leave the slave trade out of it for now - that's a separate issue; and the Native Americans) and the desire to build a new and better society than that they were coming from - you had everything going for you. You made the most of it, and the USA is undoubtably the greatest country in history. Never mind God, for all our sakes, don't blow it. Phil (in England)
Phil Uribe wrote: the USA is undoubtably the greatest country in history Phil Uribe wrote: well, we'll leave the slave trade out of it for now - that's a separate issue; and the Native Americans Let's also forget the 2+ millions in jail, the use of Death Penalty at a rate only China exceeds, the 40+ millions without health insurance, their role in the Global Warming... The US is surely a great country, who achieved many laudable goals, but claiming it is the greatest of all time is IMO shortsighted, also from an historical perspective.
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Brit wrote: Sometimes people just need to drop religion and think for themselves another great troll, but you and I both know that Islam is THE religion of peace. Mike "liberals were driven crazy by Bush." Me To: Dixie Sluts, M. Moore, the Boss, Bon Jovi, Clooney, Penn, Babs, Soros, Redford, Gore, Daschle - "bye bye" Me "I voted for W." Me "There you go again." RR "Flushed the Johns" Me K(arl) wrote: Date:8:50 23 Feb '05 I love you.
Mike Gaskey wrote: Islam is THE religion of peace. Did you mean pieces? As in 'pieces of shrapnel and body parts'? :~
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I think you're generalizing a bit too much. You have to take into account the living conditions in areas where the "evil" muslims are and come from. If you have to eat shit and dirt, without spoons and forks mind you!, you are susceptible to idiocy. But that's just my 2 bits. I have yet to hear about evil muslims in Sweden. The only problems I hear about are those related to cultural friction, but that's hardly specific to islam. -- An eye for an eye will only make the world blind.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I have yet to hear about evil muslims in Sweden. Oh, there are and there's lots of them... At least according to the neo-nazis sitting at the subway station "Gamla stan" in Stockholm and complaining about the mosque on "Söder" a couple of kilometers away. But then again, maybe they aren't the sharpest tolls in the sheed... :rolleyes: