EU plunged into crisis
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This is the headlines that we read today, because France voted no in some eurocrate clap-trap bollocks that no one understands. Really I have no idea what it was, but apparently we have a "crisis" on our hands. As I understand it, the motion was defeated, so basically everything returns to status quo... how can that be a crisis? Really, I'm European, I still do not know what the French were voting for, nor care, I think it was one of those bullshit referendums, where the politicians are too shitless to make a decision on their own, so they call a referendum. As policy, I never vote on these type of referendums, making decisions on this eurocratic goblidy-gook is *their* job, why should we have to do it for them?
ed welch wrote: As policy, I never vote on these type of referendums, making decisions on this eurocratic goblidy-gook is *their* job, why should we have to do it for them? you are a "something that might be censored here in the lounge".. as far as I understand, a constitution is something that should be decided by all the population, not the ruling government, where partisan "politics" can take over. I believe that the people spoke, whether in the good or in wrong, I'm not one to judge since I'm not european, and that's a good thing, even a great thing.
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This is the headlines that we read today, because France voted no in some eurocrate clap-trap bollocks that no one understands. Really I have no idea what it was, but apparently we have a "crisis" on our hands. As I understand it, the motion was defeated, so basically everything returns to status quo... how can that be a crisis? Really, I'm European, I still do not know what the French were voting for, nor care, I think it was one of those bullshit referendums, where the politicians are too shitless to make a decision on their own, so they call a referendum. As policy, I never vote on these type of referendums, making decisions on this eurocratic goblidy-gook is *their* job, why should we have to do it for them?
The French refused the european constitution, the law of the laws which should govern all the europeans. If you don't know what is being decided, don't care about it and want someone else to decide in your place then don't ask for democracy or to be heard by others because you don't deserve any right. If you don't behave like a citizen (do you know what it means?) why should you be treated as one? Rui A. Rebelo
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This is the headlines that we read today, because France voted no in some eurocrate clap-trap bollocks that no one understands. Really I have no idea what it was, but apparently we have a "crisis" on our hands. As I understand it, the motion was defeated, so basically everything returns to status quo... how can that be a crisis? Really, I'm European, I still do not know what the French were voting for, nor care, I think it was one of those bullshit referendums, where the politicians are too shitless to make a decision on their own, so they call a referendum. As policy, I never vote on these type of referendums, making decisions on this eurocratic goblidy-gook is *their* job, why should we have to do it for them?
ed welch wrote: I never vote on these type of referendums So you want a king to rule your world? Referendums are the only chance for common people to decide themselves. Hey, do you remember the word "democracy"? There should be referendums about everything, if it weren't too time-consuming. I'm an happy that the French voted against the constitution, because in many countries there were no referendums, the politicians just accepted the new constitution without asking their people, and that cannot be right. A constitution affects all of us, it should no be forced upon us by a minority, even though the minority had been elected in a so called democratic process. _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, I still try to learn your language!
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This is the headlines that we read today, because France voted no in some eurocrate clap-trap bollocks that no one understands. Really I have no idea what it was, but apparently we have a "crisis" on our hands. As I understand it, the motion was defeated, so basically everything returns to status quo... how can that be a crisis? Really, I'm European, I still do not know what the French were voting for, nor care, I think it was one of those bullshit referendums, where the politicians are too shitless to make a decision on their own, so they call a referendum. As policy, I never vote on these type of referendums, making decisions on this eurocratic goblidy-gook is *their* job, why should we have to do it for them?
Although I'm just an ignorant American, in my limited understanding the French rejected a (alleged) 500 page "Constitution" that no one but lawyers can understand. If true, good for them. Any law that the common man cannot understand in its entirety is a bad law that should never be enacted. A Constitution is the mission statement of a nation-state; if it cannot be expressed in one or two pages, in language anyone can understand (and misinterpret at will), it is trash and deserves to be treated with all the respect due a pair of three-week old gym socks. ed welch wrote: I think it was one of those bull**** referendums, where the politicians are too shitless to make a decision on their own, so they call a referendum. A referendum is a way for politicians to gain intel about how their constituents feel on an issue. There's nothing wrong with that - many politicians are completely out of touch with the priorities of those who voted for them. But the big issue today was a Constitution that will impose rules that all must obey. That's far too important a matter to be left to politicians; the voice of the people must be allowed to speak. The French have spoken - kudos to them. Perhaps out of the turmoil that is to follow in coming weeks a realistic Constitution will arise, one that all of the diverse peoples of Europe can understand and agree to support. I sincerely hope so... "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
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This is the headlines that we read today, because France voted no in some eurocrate clap-trap bollocks that no one understands. Really I have no idea what it was, but apparently we have a "crisis" on our hands. As I understand it, the motion was defeated, so basically everything returns to status quo... how can that be a crisis? Really, I'm European, I still do not know what the French were voting for, nor care, I think it was one of those bullshit referendums, where the politicians are too shitless to make a decision on their own, so they call a referendum. As policy, I never vote on these type of referendums, making decisions on this eurocratic goblidy-gook is *their* job, why should we have to do it for them?
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The French refused the european constitution, the law of the laws which should govern all the europeans. If you don't know what is being decided, don't care about it and want someone else to decide in your place then don't ask for democracy or to be heard by others because you don't deserve any right. If you don't behave like a citizen (do you know what it means?) why should you be treated as one? Rui A. Rebelo
Rui A. Rebelo wrote: If you don't know what is being decided, don't care about it and want someone else to decide in your place then don't ask for democracy or to be heard by others because you don't deserve any right. It's not that simple. I mean I'll vote here in the Netherlands but I'm also aware that I don't understand what it's all about. That so called constitution has so many different rules. I mean: I like the animal rights but I hate to lose veto on 25 items. Besides that: a referendum is really different from electing political parties. This is the first big referendum here actually. I can understand why people want their representatives to vote for them. I also rather had a referendum about the euro currency. The politicians didn't do that because everyone would be against.:)
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Although I'm just an ignorant American, in my limited understanding the French rejected a (alleged) 500 page "Constitution" that no one but lawyers can understand. If true, good for them. Any law that the common man cannot understand in its entirety is a bad law that should never be enacted. A Constitution is the mission statement of a nation-state; if it cannot be expressed in one or two pages, in language anyone can understand (and misinterpret at will), it is trash and deserves to be treated with all the respect due a pair of three-week old gym socks. ed welch wrote: I think it was one of those bull**** referendums, where the politicians are too shitless to make a decision on their own, so they call a referendum. A referendum is a way for politicians to gain intel about how their constituents feel on an issue. There's nothing wrong with that - many politicians are completely out of touch with the priorities of those who voted for them. But the big issue today was a Constitution that will impose rules that all must obey. That's far too important a matter to be left to politicians; the voice of the people must be allowed to speak. The French have spoken - kudos to them. Perhaps out of the turmoil that is to follow in coming weeks a realistic Constitution will arise, one that all of the diverse peoples of Europe can understand and agree to support. I sincerely hope so... "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
well said.
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Rui A. Rebelo wrote: If you don't know what is being decided, don't care about it and want someone else to decide in your place then don't ask for democracy or to be heard by others because you don't deserve any right. It's not that simple. I mean I'll vote here in the Netherlands but I'm also aware that I don't understand what it's all about. That so called constitution has so many different rules. I mean: I like the animal rights but I hate to lose veto on 25 items. Besides that: a referendum is really different from electing political parties. This is the first big referendum here actually. I can understand why people want their representatives to vote for them. I also rather had a referendum about the euro currency. The politicians didn't do that because everyone would be against.:)
btlman wrote: I can understand why people want their representatives to vote for them I can't understand that. How can people be so desinterested in the future of their country? Here in Switzerland, we have referendum polls four times a year. In total we have I'd say about 20 referendums a year. I really like that. Because politicians normally change their behavior as soon as they are elected. So having all these referendums allows people in Switzerland to always keep a finger on what the politicians are doing. Claudio Claudio's Website Hommingberger Gepardenforelle
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ed welch wrote: I never vote on these type of referendums So you want a king to rule your world? Referendums are the only chance for common people to decide themselves. Hey, do you remember the word "democracy"? There should be referendums about everything, if it weren't too time-consuming. I'm an happy that the French voted against the constitution, because in many countries there were no referendums, the politicians just accepted the new constitution without asking their people, and that cannot be right. A constitution affects all of us, it should no be forced upon us by a minority, even though the minority had been elected in a so called democratic process. _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, I still try to learn your language!
That's why I don't like the political system of Germany. Doesn't matter how important something is, you, the people are never asked about it. Ok, now this fall you have unplanned elections, but generally your government always decides everything. I can't understand that. Claudio Claudio's Website Hommingberger Gepardenforelle
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btlman wrote: I can understand why people want their representatives to vote for them I can't understand that. How can people be so desinterested in the future of their country? Here in Switzerland, we have referendum polls four times a year. In total we have I'd say about 20 referendums a year. I really like that. Because politicians normally change their behavior as soon as they are elected. So having all these referendums allows people in Switzerland to always keep a finger on what the politicians are doing. Claudio Claudio's Website Hommingberger Gepardenforelle
Claudio Grazioli wrote: Here in Switzerland, we have referendum polls four times a year. Here in the Netherlands this is the first and probably last national referendum in a long time. So now we have to vote about a 500 page constitutional agreement(it's no more than that). Most people here are desillusioned about politics and don't understand it anymore, let alone something that happens in Brussels. I will vote but I don't understand what it will bring me. Will gay marriages, relaxed euthanasia laws, softdrugs disappear? Will the environment or the economy benefit from it? Or do I have to trade environment for traditional conservative views?