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  • M mohammed barqawi

    this the Google result for these words so what do you think? yes 299,000,000 no 1,900,000,000 hell 61,600,000 heaven 56,600,000 If you don't want to do any mistake don't do anything

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    DavidNohejl
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    You misinterpreted the results! ReliableSourceTM says you lost. David

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    • M mohammed barqawi

      this the Google result for these words so what do you think? yes 299,000,000 no 1,900,000,000 hell 61,600,000 heaven 56,600,000 If you don't want to do any mistake don't do anything

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      El Corazon
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      Results 1 - 10 of about 689,000 for pessimist [definition]. (0.04 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 2,230,000 for pessimistic [definition]. (0.03 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 2,910,000 for optimist [definition]. (0.04 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 15,200,000 for optimistic [definition]. (0.07 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 2,340,000 for realist [definition]. (0.35 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 41,600,000 for realistic [definition]. (0.14 seconds) Sometimes a yes, is just a yes. Sometimes a no is just a no. If the world never said no, and always said yes, it would not make the world automatically an optimistic place. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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      • M mohammed barqawi

        this the Google result for these words so what do you think? yes 299,000,000 no 1,900,000,000 hell 61,600,000 heaven 56,600,000 If you don't want to do any mistake don't do anything

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        RC_Sebastien_C
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        Could it be because No is a word in more languages than Yes ?

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        • M mohammed barqawi

          this the Google result for these words so what do you think? yes 299,000,000 no 1,900,000,000 hell 61,600,000 heaven 56,600,000 If you don't want to do any mistake don't do anything

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          Matt Newman
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          no, know So does that mean knowledge is pessimism? Matt Newman
          Even the very best tools in the hands of an idiot will produce something of little or no value. - Chris Meech on Idiots

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          • R RC_Sebastien_C

            Could it be because No is a word in more languages than Yes ?

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            El Corazon
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            http://www.elite.net/~runner/jennifers/yes.htm[^] http://www.elite.net/~runner/jennifers/no.htm[^] I just can't find "maybe" :) _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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            • M Matt Newman

              no, know So does that mean knowledge is pessimism? Matt Newman
              Even the very best tools in the hands of an idiot will produce something of little or no value. - Chris Meech on Idiots

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              El Corazon
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              Your answer can be found in yesterday.... _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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              • M mohammed barqawi

                this the Google result for these words so what do you think? yes 299,000,000 no 1,900,000,000 hell 61,600,000 heaven 56,600,000 If you don't want to do any mistake don't do anything

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                Lost User
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                Those are the answers, what are the questions ? "Do you think there is too much love in the world ?" "No" Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                  Results 1 - 10 of about 689,000 for pessimist [definition]. (0.04 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 2,230,000 for pessimistic [definition]. (0.03 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 2,910,000 for optimist [definition]. (0.04 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 15,200,000 for optimistic [definition]. (0.07 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 2,340,000 for realist [definition]. (0.35 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 41,600,000 for realistic [definition]. (0.14 seconds) Sometimes a yes, is just a yes. Sometimes a no is just a no. If the world never said no, and always said yes, it would not make the world automatically an optimistic place. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                  peterchen
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                  IMO the point is: do we default to a yes, or to a no? do we default to trust, or to distrust? do we default to protect, or to destroy?


                  Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
                  aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
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                    IMO the point is: do we default to a yes, or to a no? do we default to trust, or to distrust? do we default to protect, or to destroy?


                    Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
                    aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
                    boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygen

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                    El Corazon
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                    That always depends on the question.... yes to a crime is rather pessimistic. Though thinking you'll get away with it might be considered optimistic. Do we trust blindingly where it does not belong? Do we distrust blindingly where it does not belong? Neither are good, and both pessimistic if you stop to think about it (blind trust being an instrument of abuse). So more to the point, should we not look at everything with eyes open? Sometimes trust is deserved, sometimes distrust is? _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                      Those are the answers, what are the questions ? "Do you think there is too much love in the world ?" "No" Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                      El Corazon
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                      Do you want to stay in an abusive relationship the rest of your life? No. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                        That always depends on the question.... yes to a crime is rather pessimistic. Though thinking you'll get away with it might be considered optimistic. Do we trust blindingly where it does not belong? Do we distrust blindingly where it does not belong? Neither are good, and both pessimistic if you stop to think about it (blind trust being an instrument of abuse). So more to the point, should we not look at everything with eyes open? Sometimes trust is deserved, sometimes distrust is? _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                        Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: yes to a crime is rather pessimistic That moves the "negative" from the response to the question, which (for the overly simplistic good/bad value system assumed in my above post above) is identical to a "no". Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: should we not look at everything with eyes open That would be a good start - but still: there are zillions of decisions each day where you have no time to look. And exactly at these my post aims: By default, no other information (except your instincts) given: Do you trust or distrust a stranger? I guess every once-was-an-optimist agrees that systems built on trust are simpler, more effective and have an inherent beauty, but are easily destroyed by distrust. But is this a reason to make distrust the default?


                        Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
                        aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
                        boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygen

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                          Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: yes to a crime is rather pessimistic That moves the "negative" from the response to the question, which (for the overly simplistic good/bad value system assumed in my above post above) is identical to a "no". Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: should we not look at everything with eyes open That would be a good start - but still: there are zillions of decisions each day where you have no time to look. And exactly at these my post aims: By default, no other information (except your instincts) given: Do you trust or distrust a stranger? I guess every once-was-an-optimist agrees that systems built on trust are simpler, more effective and have an inherent beauty, but are easily destroyed by distrust. But is this a reason to make distrust the default?


                          Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
                          aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
                          boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygen

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                          El Corazon
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                          peterchen wrote: I guess every once-was-an-optimist agrees that systems built on trust are simpler, more effective and have an inherent beauty, but are easily destroyed by distrust. I would suggest that either complete trust or complete distrust by default is bad news. Let's subtract human behavior for a moment. Does one trust a cougar or a rattlesnake by default? Does one trust the weather will not change and leave you dying in the wilderness or desert? Does one drive up a volcano with your family because you trust nature will not do anything, or that someone will always prevent you from doing anything dangerous? I suggest that a default to always trust, or distrust are both equally dangerous. That having an open mind, but being mindful of the consequences is the preferred. Lack of blind trust should not prevent you from being kind to people and allowing them "some" access to your life. However both trust and distrust should be earned. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                          • M mohammed barqawi

                            this the Google result for these words so what do you think? yes 299,000,000 no 1,900,000,000 hell 61,600,000 heaven 56,600,000 If you don't want to do any mistake don't do anything

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                            Nish Nishant
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                            mohammed barqawi wrote: no 1,900,000,000 It could be that there are people who say, "No way am I gonna lose, I am gonna fight till the end and win" Nothing pessimistic about it when used that way :-)

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                              peterchen wrote: I guess every once-was-an-optimist agrees that systems built on trust are simpler, more effective and have an inherent beauty, but are easily destroyed by distrust. I would suggest that either complete trust or complete distrust by default is bad news. Let's subtract human behavior for a moment. Does one trust a cougar or a rattlesnake by default? Does one trust the weather will not change and leave you dying in the wilderness or desert? Does one drive up a volcano with your family because you trust nature will not do anything, or that someone will always prevent you from doing anything dangerous? I suggest that a default to always trust, or distrust are both equally dangerous. That having an open mind, but being mindful of the consequences is the preferred. Lack of blind trust should not prevent you from being kind to people and allowing them "some" access to your life. However both trust and distrust should be earned. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                              I like this line of thought, but people don't like where it takes me. 1. What decides that we should be careful with a rattlesnake, but not with a rabit? Instinct. 2. "Development of our species" is accelerated through using a brain rather than genes to transmit information to successors 3. Our education is more culture-based than experience-based 4. All this political correctness crap undermines this. 5. What was once instinct now called Prejudice. ==> more prejudice, more trust. :cool: I'm neither entirely serious, nor entirely joking. I am <>entertaining this thought one might say. And IMO our society is moving more and more to distrust-based structures. Back to the original thought: Where instinct gives us neither "red alert" nor "hug now" signals, we tend to opt for distrust, to minimize damage, rather than trust to maximize cumulative results.


                              Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
                              aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
                              boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygen

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                                I like this line of thought, but people don't like where it takes me. 1. What decides that we should be careful with a rattlesnake, but not with a rabit? Instinct. 2. "Development of our species" is accelerated through using a brain rather than genes to transmit information to successors 3. Our education is more culture-based than experience-based 4. All this political correctness crap undermines this. 5. What was once instinct now called Prejudice. ==> more prejudice, more trust. :cool: I'm neither entirely serious, nor entirely joking. I am <>entertaining this thought one might say. And IMO our society is moving more and more to distrust-based structures. Back to the original thought: Where instinct gives us neither "red alert" nor "hug now" signals, we tend to opt for distrust, to minimize damage, rather than trust to maximize cumulative results.


                                Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
                                aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
                                boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygen

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                                peterchen wrote: 1. What decides that we should be careful with a rattlesnake, but not with a rabit? Instinct. Then you shall die of black plague rather than swollen muscles and skin when you visit here because the rabbit is one of the largest carrier of Bubonic plague in the region. (and if you think I am just being pessimistic http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/world98.htm[^] we actually have 10 times the number of people hospitalized from touching rabbits than being bit by rattlesnakes) Instinct can fail you. Instinct does not say the rabbit is good, it says the rabbit is food. Weighed against the possibility of starvation, you roll the dice and take your chances with "food" since starvation is a known problem. The problem is often that we do not like to think about things. We want an instinctual reaction rather than having to learn and consider our own limitations. We think life is "easier" that way. That is where the problem lies IMO. We don't want to continually think about others behavior in respect to ourselves and our safty in respect to that, therefore since complete trust and instinct can get us in trouble we take the easiest way possible to trust no one and nothing. Personal Isolationism being the ultimate safe course (or so we believe). _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                                  peterchen wrote: 1. What decides that we should be careful with a rattlesnake, but not with a rabit? Instinct. Then you shall die of black plague rather than swollen muscles and skin when you visit here because the rabbit is one of the largest carrier of Bubonic plague in the region. (and if you think I am just being pessimistic http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/plague/world98.htm[^] we actually have 10 times the number of people hospitalized from touching rabbits than being bit by rattlesnakes) Instinct can fail you. Instinct does not say the rabbit is good, it says the rabbit is food. Weighed against the possibility of starvation, you roll the dice and take your chances with "food" since starvation is a known problem. The problem is often that we do not like to think about things. We want an instinctual reaction rather than having to learn and consider our own limitations. We think life is "easier" that way. That is where the problem lies IMO. We don't want to continually think about others behavior in respect to ourselves and our safty in respect to that, therefore since complete trust and instinct can get us in trouble we take the easiest way possible to trust no one and nothing. Personal Isolationism being the ultimate safe course (or so we believe). _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                                  Yet another proof for (2) - instinct being "out-speeded" where I live rabbits are ok unless they look sick or are not shy (which is the first indicator of rabies) Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: The problem is often that we do not like to think about things To many decisions per second and to complex interactions are a likel reason. Nothing against pure thought, but I still insist that a healthy amount of instinct supplements thought perfectly.


                                  Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
                                  aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
                                  boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygen

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