Calling all Brits
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Michael Hendrickx wrote: Furthermore, look at it from the governments point of view, you wanna live in the UK, take advantage of its features (medical treatment, education, safety, roads, ...) but yet remain anonymous? It's like you wanna post in codeproject.com, but dont wanna sign up. The thing is, that when dealing with education, health, and even codeproject, I'm the one choosing to be anonymous or not. But if I'm minding my own business, I want to remain anonymous. Under the National Identity Register, anonymity becomes a lot harder to attain, because the biometrics stored (unreliable as they are) can then be matched up to you (or a subset of people that probably includes you), even if you haven't wanted to be identified. Say I'm protesting a government policy (on anything you like). Being able to remain anonymous at your own choice is actually essential in this scenario, because it protects me from a government who might try to silence me if they knew who I was - basically the right to anonymity is one of the things that protects and supports democracy, and the people who live in democracies. (People in the UK may wish to remind themselves over the events regarding Dr Kelly at this point. If you're forced out of anonymity after criticising the government, the pressure on you ends up such that you might take your own life!) That was one of the things the American's definitely got right in their Constitution - the freedom to be anonymous and move about anonymously. Michael Hendrickx wrote: I mean; put all data about you together, including education, medical data, family, hobbies, emails your receive (mailing lists, what sites you surf to, ...), phone records, .. There's awfully little space for freedom. Now UK government just want it all a little bit organized. There's also a security failing when dealing with these sorts of unified databases - one mass database for everything is a much more attractive proposition for criminals and nosy bastards, in the same way a nice juicy steak is more appealing than cheap burgers. In the UK we have a law called the Data Protection Act, and one of the principles of that act is that any data stored on a person must be proportionate, that is to say relevant to the task at hand and nothing else. So mailing lists may have your address and some information relating to the list, but they can't justify having your medical records, tax records, private communications, and so forth.
Ian Darling wrote: there's a metric f***load *flipping through the SI book* I just can't seem to find that unit.. :confused: :-D -- An eye for an eye will only make the world blind.
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Signed up. It cannot work and will meke about 2.5 million people criminals and legalise the criminals with fake cards. The tigress is here :-D
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It's just appeared in The Register. The tigress is here :-D
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Signed up. It cannot work and will meke about 2.5 million people criminals and legalise the criminals with fake cards. The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: Signed up. Ta :-D That list is growing nice and quickly, I have to say :-)
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It is because of this and a variety of other issues that I will be leaving dear old blighty for distant shores as soon all the bureaucracy is complete. I shall miss the place; the beauty of a warm summer’s day, the fabulous colours of autumn, the clear, bracing days of a proper winter and the flowering glory of a spring day. The rolling hills of the Downs, the Cumbrian lakes, the Welsh hills and the simplicity of a fresh fish lunch in a Norfolk fishing village. Sadly this is not enough to keep me here. I feel overwhelmed with the changes being forced upon us against our collective will. And I fear for the future of my family. I resent the continual imposition of taxes inspired by greed and corruption and the unspoken desire to turn us all in to council house tenants. I despair at the stench made by our politicians and the lies that are driving us to a bleak future. I despair of an open-door immigration policy that has made me a disenfranchised majority without rights in my own country. It is sad that I (and the majority of my friends) feel this way. And I appreciate the irony that I will become an immigrant in a foreign land. But I see no choice: we are no longer heard by our government: they spend more time giving away our hard earned money to corrupt regimes in Africa when they should be attending to poverty and child cruelty in our own back yard. I earnestly invite you to both disagree with me and refute what I have said: I would dearly love it if someone could persuade me that I have got it all wrong so I would want to stay in the country I love.
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It is because of this and a variety of other issues that I will be leaving dear old blighty for distant shores as soon all the bureaucracy is complete. I shall miss the place; the beauty of a warm summer’s day, the fabulous colours of autumn, the clear, bracing days of a proper winter and the flowering glory of a spring day. The rolling hills of the Downs, the Cumbrian lakes, the Welsh hills and the simplicity of a fresh fish lunch in a Norfolk fishing village. Sadly this is not enough to keep me here. I feel overwhelmed with the changes being forced upon us against our collective will. And I fear for the future of my family. I resent the continual imposition of taxes inspired by greed and corruption and the unspoken desire to turn us all in to council house tenants. I despair at the stench made by our politicians and the lies that are driving us to a bleak future. I despair of an open-door immigration policy that has made me a disenfranchised majority without rights in my own country. It is sad that I (and the majority of my friends) feel this way. And I appreciate the irony that I will become an immigrant in a foreign land. But I see no choice: we are no longer heard by our government: they spend more time giving away our hard earned money to corrupt regimes in Africa when they should be attending to poverty and child cruelty in our own back yard. I earnestly invite you to both disagree with me and refute what I have said: I would dearly love it if someone could persuade me that I have got it all wrong so I would want to stay in the country I love.
I'd love to refute all of it but I can't, I can only refute the following; 'and the unspoken desire to turn us all in to council house tenants. ' given Thatchers demolition of the council housing service in the 1980's, (not that I'm offering any opinion on that being good or bad, only that it was so), the UK housing market, the ongoing reduction of council owned/maintained property and the rise of the 'Housing Association'. I've also had some sideways involvement in local councils and I would ascertain from what I know that local councils would love nothing more than to have NO responsibility for council housing in any way, shape or form. Oh, and trust me it could be worse, I won't go into the details because of the potential implications on me and my family but you really don't want to try being a divorced father in the UK. Did you know there's nothing you can do about your ex leaving the country with their new partner and taking your child with them as long as they 'agree' to continue communication before they go? Yes, I'm bitter and probably more than most, and I would only contest the council housing implications in what you're saying but the rest :sigh: Good luck to you, I genuinely hope the grass is greener for you on the other side Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
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I'd love to refute all of it but I can't, I can only refute the following; 'and the unspoken desire to turn us all in to council house tenants. ' given Thatchers demolition of the council housing service in the 1980's, (not that I'm offering any opinion on that being good or bad, only that it was so), the UK housing market, the ongoing reduction of council owned/maintained property and the rise of the 'Housing Association'. I've also had some sideways involvement in local councils and I would ascertain from what I know that local councils would love nothing more than to have NO responsibility for council housing in any way, shape or form. Oh, and trust me it could be worse, I won't go into the details because of the potential implications on me and my family but you really don't want to try being a divorced father in the UK. Did you know there's nothing you can do about your ex leaving the country with their new partner and taking your child with them as long as they 'agree' to continue communication before they go? Yes, I'm bitter and probably more than most, and I would only contest the council housing implications in what you're saying but the rest :sigh: Good luck to you, I genuinely hope the grass is greener for you on the other side Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
Sorry, I didn't literally mean that the mysterious 'they' would make us all live in council houses, rather I was alluding to the mentality that kept people there prior to Thatcher and the desire of many 'New Labour' politicians, not naming any rotund, jag loving wanker who would see the return of that 'lifestyle'. I am a divorced father. I have not seen my son for 8 years, 3 of which he spent in Singapore against my wishes. I have spent YEARS in court trying to get to see my son. Unfortunately the scales of 'justice' in this country are weighed heavily in favour of the wife. Thanks, anyway. Oh, and I too have a workstation on my desk...
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We've had this scheme for as long as I can remember. When you are born you are given a number, much like a social security number. It's the birth date plus four digits (YYYYMMDD-XXXX). I can't say that I have suffered from this, but on the same note I can't say that I have benefited from it either. -- An eye for an eye will only make the world blind.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: It's the birth date plus four digits (YYYYMMDD-XXXX). What happens to the 10,001 person born in one day? ;) Here in South Africa they took into account our loose legged ways and made it YYMMDD-XXXXXXX. Though of course they forgot the century and AFAIK they encode your sex into the number. regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Gary Wheeler wrote: It's people like you that keep me heading for my big debut on CNN...
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Wow, talk about the Monday morning effect - have you seen how much the list has grown by today? Over 900 people... up from 10. :omg:
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: It's the birth date plus four digits (YYYYMMDD-XXXX). What happens to the 10,001 person born in one day? ;) Here in South Africa they took into account our loose legged ways and made it YYMMDD-XXXXXXX. Though of course they forgot the century and AFAIK they encode your sex into the number. regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Gary Wheeler wrote: It's people like you that keep me heading for my big debut on CNN...
Paul Watson wrote: What happens to the 10,001 person born in one day? I honestly don't know. :~ Perhaps the first bug fix release will be issued. :) Paul Watson wrote: Though of course they forgot the century and AFAIK they encode your sex into the number. The century part came about in the Y2k-frenzy. You can enter YYMMDD in most systems, but internally it will store it with century. Some systems won't accept the centuryless version. Our four last digits include sex and checksum information, as well as in what part of the country you were born. -- An eye for an eye will only make the world blind.
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Yikes!! What the hell is going on over there!? -- An eye for an eye will only make the world blind.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Yikes!! What the hell is going on over there!? Blunketophobia. :~ Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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I wish you good luck! -- An eye for an eye will only make the world blind.
Thanks. We're going to need it. http://www.no2id.com/[^] Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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I'd love to refute all of it but I can't, I can only refute the following; 'and the unspoken desire to turn us all in to council house tenants. ' given Thatchers demolition of the council housing service in the 1980's, (not that I'm offering any opinion on that being good or bad, only that it was so), the UK housing market, the ongoing reduction of council owned/maintained property and the rise of the 'Housing Association'. I've also had some sideways involvement in local councils and I would ascertain from what I know that local councils would love nothing more than to have NO responsibility for council housing in any way, shape or form. Oh, and trust me it could be worse, I won't go into the details because of the potential implications on me and my family but you really don't want to try being a divorced father in the UK. Did you know there's nothing you can do about your ex leaving the country with their new partner and taking your child with them as long as they 'agree' to continue communication before they go? Yes, I'm bitter and probably more than most, and I would only contest the council housing implications in what you're saying but the rest :sigh: Good luck to you, I genuinely hope the grass is greener for you on the other side Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
Rhys666 wrote: Oh, and trust me it could be worse, I won't go into the details because of the potential implications on me and my family but you really don't want to try being a divorced father in the UK. Did you know there's nothing you can do about your ex leaving the country with their new partner and taking your child with them as long as they 'agree' to continue communication before they go? My sympathies. :rose: I'm all too familiar with the inability of the family courts to truly act in the best interests of children. The last time I saw my kids was May 2003. :( Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Michael Hendrickx wrote: Furthermore, look at it from the governments point of view, you wanna live in the UK, take advantage of its features (medical treatment, education, safety, roads, ...) but yet remain anonymous? It's like you wanna post in codeproject.com, but dont wanna sign up. The thing is, that when dealing with education, health, and even codeproject, I'm the one choosing to be anonymous or not. But if I'm minding my own business, I want to remain anonymous. Under the National Identity Register, anonymity becomes a lot harder to attain, because the biometrics stored (unreliable as they are) can then be matched up to you (or a subset of people that probably includes you), even if you haven't wanted to be identified. Say I'm protesting a government policy (on anything you like). Being able to remain anonymous at your own choice is actually essential in this scenario, because it protects me from a government who might try to silence me if they knew who I was - basically the right to anonymity is one of the things that protects and supports democracy, and the people who live in democracies. (People in the UK may wish to remind themselves over the events regarding Dr Kelly at this point. If you're forced out of anonymity after criticising the government, the pressure on you ends up such that you might take your own life!) That was one of the things the American's definitely got right in their Constitution - the freedom to be anonymous and move about anonymously. Michael Hendrickx wrote: I mean; put all data about you together, including education, medical data, family, hobbies, emails your receive (mailing lists, what sites you surf to, ...), phone records, .. There's awfully little space for freedom. Now UK government just want it all a little bit organized. There's also a security failing when dealing with these sorts of unified databases - one mass database for everything is a much more attractive proposition for criminals and nosy bastards, in the same way a nice juicy steak is more appealing than cheap burgers. In the UK we have a law called the Data Protection Act, and one of the principles of that act is that any data stored on a person must be proportionate, that is to say relevant to the task at hand and nothing else. So mailing lists may have your address and some information relating to the list, but they can't justify having your medical records, tax records, private communications, and so forth.
Okay, i wrote a reply, but decided to alter it since it will never stop this discussion. We have different points of view and I respect both. Good luck in preventing this national id registration thing.