Uplifting Dance Music
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Paul Watson wrote: How can you possibly NOT like it!? Easily. I listen to Mozart and Bach. That is music. Dance - well it is for dancing. I vote pro drink :beer:
Here is a dance collection from a CD I have now :-) 3,527,114 03-06-98 3:07a Beautiful Life(Ace of Base).mp3 2,737,214 03-08-99 4:50a bewitched.mp3 3,956,736 02-09-99 4:15p Blondie - Maria.mp3 3,054,004 07-24-98 10:26p Cejoe01.mp3 3,476,991 07-25-98 3:51p Cocojumboo09.mp3 4,061,184 06-21-37 2:51p Ini Kamoze - Hot Stepper.mp3 3,369,586 10-02-00 10:29a MadonnaHeyMrDJ.mp3 3,646,403 08-05-00 8:44p Madonna - Music.mp3 3,817,591 06-05-37 10:12a Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls.mp3 4,358,272 06-25-37 5:34p Snow - Informer.mp3 Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Here is a dance collection from a CD I have now :-) 3,527,114 03-06-98 3:07a Beautiful Life(Ace of Base).mp3 2,737,214 03-08-99 4:50a bewitched.mp3 3,956,736 02-09-99 4:15p Blondie - Maria.mp3 3,054,004 07-24-98 10:26p Cejoe01.mp3 3,476,991 07-25-98 3:51p Cocojumboo09.mp3 4,061,184 06-21-37 2:51p Ini Kamoze - Hot Stepper.mp3 3,369,586 10-02-00 10:29a MadonnaHeyMrDJ.mp3 3,646,403 08-05-00 8:44p Madonna - Music.mp3 3,817,591 06-05-37 10:12a Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls.mp3 4,358,272 06-25-37 5:34p Snow - Informer.mp3 Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
When I mentioned "Dance Music", I wasn't referring to pop songs. I was talking more about DOOT DOOT YEAH DOOT DOOT DOOT YEAH DOOT DOOT UHH DOOT (looped). Accompanied, of course, by some highly poetic lyrics. Oh, and don't forget the computer-generated riff that goes over the top. :D Simon ...recently entered the land of stability with win2000. Also had his hard disk wiped thanks to a power cut during partition resizing. But hey! Sonork ID 100.10024
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When I mentioned "Dance Music", I wasn't referring to pop songs. I was talking more about DOOT DOOT YEAH DOOT DOOT DOOT YEAH DOOT DOOT UHH DOOT (looped). Accompanied, of course, by some highly poetic lyrics. Oh, and don't forget the computer-generated riff that goes over the top. :D Simon ...recently entered the land of stability with win2000. Also had his hard disk wiped thanks to a power cut during partition resizing. But hey! Sonork ID 100.10024
Oh! You meant techno eh? Nish :-O Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Simon Walton was telling me how he, ahem, "take the p*ss out of my friend for liking dance music" and it got me to thinking. Most IT techy types I know outside of CP really enjoy dance music. We often go clubbing and send around MP3s of the latest techno, trance, dance, electronica tunes. I really enjoy sitting there coding or writing as a fast track does it's thing on my headphones. But CP is a bit different. A lot of you guys (and gals?) do not like dance music ("Metallica only man!" comes to mind.) Why is that? What don't you like about it? How can you possibly NOT like it!? For me it is pretty simple. Dance music is the most uplifting and mood altering genre around. It makes me feel goooooood, upbeat, happy, uplifted. Even some of the dark German hard-techo gives me a good kick. It elates me. I know it is repetitive. I know lyrics are not it's forte. I know it is electronic and "not natural." But if those are your issues with dance music then you are listening to it wrong. You are over analysing the music too much. Looking for meaning which is not there, which is not meant to be there. Trying to make sense of something which has no sense. It is a heart and soul thing, an "I feel it" not an "I know it" thing. Faithless say "God is a DJ" and it is so true when you are out there on the dance floor, in your own world, not caring, just moving, just breathing in the music, the bass, the treble, no thought, no worries, no troubles. Just a beat, just an uplifting, elating sense of rightness and content. Well, that is my 2 cents on the subject, and I am off home with Faithless doing damage to my rear windscreen :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
Paul Watson wrote: But if those are your issues with dance music then you are listening to it wrong. You are over analysing the music too much. Looking for meaning which is not there, which is not meant to be there. Trying to make sense of something which has no sense. It is a heart and soul thing, an "I feel it" not an "I know it" thing. I make fun of my friend, I guess, because he cannot see the other side. I get frusutrated because he simply cannot learn to appreciate music as it is meant to be heard. Music that is prouced by talented people, using real instruments, working hard to produce a quality record. And what annoys me is when some asshole puts a drum pattern through a computer and 10 mins later he's got a record. It's just not right. When i'm out, sure, dance music really does add to the night. And if I have consumed enough fermented vegetable drink, then i'll dance along like some sort of demented badger wrapped in a shirt. And i'll enjoy listening to the music. But one thing I would never be able to do is sit down in the house and listen to it. It's just annoying to me. I don't make fun of people who enjoy dance music, that would be stupid. I make fun of, and dislike, the people who call any other type of music "rubbish" and simply cannot see any other way. :) Simon ...recently entered the land of stability with win2000. Also had his hard disk wiped thanks to a power cut during partition resizing. But hey! Sonork ID 100.10024
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Oh! You meant techno eh? Nish :-O Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
Well, not quite techno, but not quite pop, but lots of beats. Usually with some woman screaming in the background. Techo is hardcore dance in my books. That's the crazy stuff. :omg: Simon ...recently entered the land of stability with win2000. Also had his hard disk wiped thanks to a power cut during partition resizing. But hey! Sonork ID 100.10024
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Simon Walton was telling me how he, ahem, "take the p*ss out of my friend for liking dance music" and it got me to thinking. Most IT techy types I know outside of CP really enjoy dance music. We often go clubbing and send around MP3s of the latest techno, trance, dance, electronica tunes. I really enjoy sitting there coding or writing as a fast track does it's thing on my headphones. But CP is a bit different. A lot of you guys (and gals?) do not like dance music ("Metallica only man!" comes to mind.) Why is that? What don't you like about it? How can you possibly NOT like it!? For me it is pretty simple. Dance music is the most uplifting and mood altering genre around. It makes me feel goooooood, upbeat, happy, uplifted. Even some of the dark German hard-techo gives me a good kick. It elates me. I know it is repetitive. I know lyrics are not it's forte. I know it is electronic and "not natural." But if those are your issues with dance music then you are listening to it wrong. You are over analysing the music too much. Looking for meaning which is not there, which is not meant to be there. Trying to make sense of something which has no sense. It is a heart and soul thing, an "I feel it" not an "I know it" thing. Faithless say "God is a DJ" and it is so true when you are out there on the dance floor, in your own world, not caring, just moving, just breathing in the music, the bass, the treble, no thought, no worries, no troubles. Just a beat, just an uplifting, elating sense of rightness and content. Well, that is my 2 cents on the subject, and I am off home with Faithless doing damage to my rear windscreen :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
Paul Watson wrote: Why is that? What don't you like about it? How can you possibly NOT like it!? I prefer Reggae... don´t like dance much... "Let your Spirit manifest Light and Love through each of your days and your world will be filled with Jah Blessings and Joy!" :) Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank
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Simon Walton was telling me how he, ahem, "take the p*ss out of my friend for liking dance music" and it got me to thinking. Most IT techy types I know outside of CP really enjoy dance music. We often go clubbing and send around MP3s of the latest techno, trance, dance, electronica tunes. I really enjoy sitting there coding or writing as a fast track does it's thing on my headphones. But CP is a bit different. A lot of you guys (and gals?) do not like dance music ("Metallica only man!" comes to mind.) Why is that? What don't you like about it? How can you possibly NOT like it!? For me it is pretty simple. Dance music is the most uplifting and mood altering genre around. It makes me feel goooooood, upbeat, happy, uplifted. Even some of the dark German hard-techo gives me a good kick. It elates me. I know it is repetitive. I know lyrics are not it's forte. I know it is electronic and "not natural." But if those are your issues with dance music then you are listening to it wrong. You are over analysing the music too much. Looking for meaning which is not there, which is not meant to be there. Trying to make sense of something which has no sense. It is a heart and soul thing, an "I feel it" not an "I know it" thing. Faithless say "God is a DJ" and it is so true when you are out there on the dance floor, in your own world, not caring, just moving, just breathing in the music, the bass, the treble, no thought, no worries, no troubles. Just a beat, just an uplifting, elating sense of rightness and content. Well, that is my 2 cents on the subject, and I am off home with Faithless doing damage to my rear windscreen :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
I didnt know there had to be a particular type of music to dance to actually - it depends on the depth of your soul If I'm in the right mood, I can dance to just about anything !!! (so saying, the right mood occurs about once in 100 years :) )
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Here is a dance collection from a CD I have now :-) 3,527,114 03-06-98 3:07a Beautiful Life(Ace of Base).mp3 2,737,214 03-08-99 4:50a bewitched.mp3 3,956,736 02-09-99 4:15p Blondie - Maria.mp3 3,054,004 07-24-98 10:26p Cejoe01.mp3 3,476,991 07-25-98 3:51p Cocojumboo09.mp3 4,061,184 06-21-37 2:51p Ini Kamoze - Hot Stepper.mp3 3,369,586 10-02-00 10:29a MadonnaHeyMrDJ.mp3 3,646,403 08-05-00 8:44p Madonna - Music.mp3 3,817,591 06-05-37 10:12a Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls.mp3 4,358,272 06-25-37 5:34p Snow - Informer.mp3 Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
This could have been lifted from my playlists but I was talking about bands like : :WUMPSCUT: Imminent Starvation Noisex Funker Vogt Die Krupps Die Form and Belgium's finest ;) Suicide Commando Front 242
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Simon Walton was telling me how he, ahem, "take the p*ss out of my friend for liking dance music" and it got me to thinking. Most IT techy types I know outside of CP really enjoy dance music. We often go clubbing and send around MP3s of the latest techno, trance, dance, electronica tunes. I really enjoy sitting there coding or writing as a fast track does it's thing on my headphones. But CP is a bit different. A lot of you guys (and gals?) do not like dance music ("Metallica only man!" comes to mind.) Why is that? What don't you like about it? How can you possibly NOT like it!? For me it is pretty simple. Dance music is the most uplifting and mood altering genre around. It makes me feel goooooood, upbeat, happy, uplifted. Even some of the dark German hard-techo gives me a good kick. It elates me. I know it is repetitive. I know lyrics are not it's forte. I know it is electronic and "not natural." But if those are your issues with dance music then you are listening to it wrong. You are over analysing the music too much. Looking for meaning which is not there, which is not meant to be there. Trying to make sense of something which has no sense. It is a heart and soul thing, an "I feel it" not an "I know it" thing. Faithless say "God is a DJ" and it is so true when you are out there on the dance floor, in your own world, not caring, just moving, just breathing in the music, the bass, the treble, no thought, no worries, no troubles. Just a beat, just an uplifting, elating sense of rightness and content. Well, that is my 2 cents on the subject, and I am off home with Faithless doing damage to my rear windscreen :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
I'm not into clubbing but am definitely moving towards trance/electronic/cruise music (blame Ed Worsfold). cheers, Chris Maunder
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Simon Walton was telling me how he, ahem, "take the p*ss out of my friend for liking dance music" and it got me to thinking. Most IT techy types I know outside of CP really enjoy dance music. We often go clubbing and send around MP3s of the latest techno, trance, dance, electronica tunes. I really enjoy sitting there coding or writing as a fast track does it's thing on my headphones. But CP is a bit different. A lot of you guys (and gals?) do not like dance music ("Metallica only man!" comes to mind.) Why is that? What don't you like about it? How can you possibly NOT like it!? For me it is pretty simple. Dance music is the most uplifting and mood altering genre around. It makes me feel goooooood, upbeat, happy, uplifted. Even some of the dark German hard-techo gives me a good kick. It elates me. I know it is repetitive. I know lyrics are not it's forte. I know it is electronic and "not natural." But if those are your issues with dance music then you are listening to it wrong. You are over analysing the music too much. Looking for meaning which is not there, which is not meant to be there. Trying to make sense of something which has no sense. It is a heart and soul thing, an "I feel it" not an "I know it" thing. Faithless say "God is a DJ" and it is so true when you are out there on the dance floor, in your own world, not caring, just moving, just breathing in the music, the bass, the treble, no thought, no worries, no troubles. Just a beat, just an uplifting, elating sense of rightness and content. Well, that is my 2 cents on the subject, and I am off home with Faithless doing damage to my rear windscreen :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
hey, you'd probably like http://www.joko.sn/archalbum.html try Youssou Ndour and Baba Maal Lord knows I can't dance (to it or anything else), but it's pretty uplifting . . . :laugh:
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Simon Walton was telling me how he, ahem, "take the p*ss out of my friend for liking dance music" and it got me to thinking. Most IT techy types I know outside of CP really enjoy dance music. We often go clubbing and send around MP3s of the latest techno, trance, dance, electronica tunes. I really enjoy sitting there coding or writing as a fast track does it's thing on my headphones. But CP is a bit different. A lot of you guys (and gals?) do not like dance music ("Metallica only man!" comes to mind.) Why is that? What don't you like about it? How can you possibly NOT like it!? For me it is pretty simple. Dance music is the most uplifting and mood altering genre around. It makes me feel goooooood, upbeat, happy, uplifted. Even some of the dark German hard-techo gives me a good kick. It elates me. I know it is repetitive. I know lyrics are not it's forte. I know it is electronic and "not natural." But if those are your issues with dance music then you are listening to it wrong. You are over analysing the music too much. Looking for meaning which is not there, which is not meant to be there. Trying to make sense of something which has no sense. It is a heart and soul thing, an "I feel it" not an "I know it" thing. Faithless say "God is a DJ" and it is so true when you are out there on the dance floor, in your own world, not caring, just moving, just breathing in the music, the bass, the treble, no thought, no worries, no troubles. Just a beat, just an uplifting, elating sense of rightness and content. Well, that is my 2 cents on the subject, and I am off home with Faithless doing damage to my rear windscreen :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
I enjoy all kinds of music. The way music is now, genres are so overlapping; I’m not sure where most genres end and other start. If I understand what you mean by ‘dance music’, I like a sprinkling of dance music. But, not enough that I could name a song/band/DJ. qomi "Don't compromise yourself. It's all you've got." - Janis Joplin
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Paul Watson wrote: But if those are your issues with dance music then you are listening to it wrong. You are over analysing the music too much. Looking for meaning which is not there, which is not meant to be there. Trying to make sense of something which has no sense. It is a heart and soul thing, an "I feel it" not an "I know it" thing. I make fun of my friend, I guess, because he cannot see the other side. I get frusutrated because he simply cannot learn to appreciate music as it is meant to be heard. Music that is prouced by talented people, using real instruments, working hard to produce a quality record. And what annoys me is when some asshole puts a drum pattern through a computer and 10 mins later he's got a record. It's just not right. When i'm out, sure, dance music really does add to the night. And if I have consumed enough fermented vegetable drink, then i'll dance along like some sort of demented badger wrapped in a shirt. And i'll enjoy listening to the music. But one thing I would never be able to do is sit down in the house and listen to it. It's just annoying to me. I don't make fun of people who enjoy dance music, that would be stupid. I make fun of, and dislike, the people who call any other type of music "rubbish" and simply cannot see any other way. :) Simon ...recently entered the land of stability with win2000. Also had his hard disk wiped thanks to a power cut during partition resizing. But hey! Sonork ID 100.10024
Simon Walton wrote: And what annoys me is when some asshole puts a drum pattern through a computer and 10 mins later he's got a record. It's just not right. Simon Walton wrote: I make fun of, and dislike, the people who call any other type of music "rubbish" and simply cannot see any other way. Do I detect circular logic here? As a music production software developer and synth player, I've enjoyed this thread. I can tell you that, while there is a lot of music that is nothing but canned drum patterns, there is also a lot of stuff that might sound that way at first listen.. but is actually the result of a lot of hard work and inspiration. A different kind of work than goes into Bach performance or a jazz composition.. but work nonetheless. It bugs me that my employer, Emu Systems, sells instruments that include canned riffs.. but that's what the market demands. Good musicians ignore them, or use them as a starting point to make something better.
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Simon Walton wrote: And what annoys me is when some asshole puts a drum pattern through a computer and 10 mins later he's got a record. It's just not right. Simon Walton wrote: I make fun of, and dislike, the people who call any other type of music "rubbish" and simply cannot see any other way. Do I detect circular logic here? As a music production software developer and synth player, I've enjoyed this thread. I can tell you that, while there is a lot of music that is nothing but canned drum patterns, there is also a lot of stuff that might sound that way at first listen.. but is actually the result of a lot of hard work and inspiration. A different kind of work than goes into Bach performance or a jazz composition.. but work nonetheless. It bugs me that my employer, Emu Systems, sells instruments that include canned riffs.. but that's what the market demands. Good musicians ignore them, or use them as a starting point to make something better.
Don't get me wrong Jim. I'm calling you an asshole. :) I was referring to the people who do not put effort into composing a piece, but rather let the software do it all for them. You can produce works of musical excellence using a computer or a traditional instrument if you put the effort into it and truely earn your money. As far as not seeing any other way, at the end of the day it's just my opinion that I have held for a long time. I can see the other way. I do try liking that kind of music, and I have looked at the methods used to produce such records in the past. But i'm afraid I just do not find it enjoyable whilst sober. No hard feelings Jim. :) Simon ...recently entered the land of stability with win2000. Also had his hard disk wiped thanks to a power cut during partition resizing. But hey! Sonork ID 100.10024
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I'm not into clubbing but am definitely moving towards trance/electronic/cruise music (blame Ed Worsfold). cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: I'm not into clubbing And there's us thinking you were a slave to beat and went out high on narcotics every night doing the clubbing rounds :). To be honest, clubbing never attracted me either. Writing that statement makes me feel guilty considering my age, but I don't care. Most of my mates aren't into it either and would just rather have a drink at the local bar or pub. Did anyone see that Faking It (it was on C4/E4 here in the UK) about the cellist who became a DJ? I was cringing when she was supposed to be timing the changing of the tracks and keeping in sync and she was counting beats like an orchestral conductor :D. -- Andrew.
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Well, not quite techno, but not quite pop, but lots of beats. Usually with some woman screaming in the background. Techo is hardcore dance in my books. That's the crazy stuff. :omg: Simon ...recently entered the land of stability with win2000. Also had his hard disk wiped thanks to a power cut during partition resizing. But hey! Sonork ID 100.10024
Er, disco? I thought we killed that crud a couple of decades ago...
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I enjoy all kinds of music. The way music is now, genres are so overlapping; I’m not sure where most genres end and other start. If I understand what you mean by ‘dance music’, I like a sprinkling of dance music. But, not enough that I could name a song/band/DJ. qomi "Don't compromise yourself. It's all you've got." - Janis Joplin
Same here. I can listen to and enjoy just about any kind/genre of music. But as with everything, there's good stuff and bad stuff. The thing is the ratio of good to bad seems to depend on the genre and listener, its a personal thing.
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Paul Watson wrote: How can you possibly NOT like it!? Easily. I listen to Mozart and Bach. That is music. Dance - well it is for dancing. I vote pro drink :beer:
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: Easily. I listen to Mozart and Bach. That is music. Dance - well it is for dancing I love classical music to. I was brought up on it, everyday. My dad can name a composition from the first few bars. My favourite though is The Planets by Holst. Incredible stuff. Even though I do not like all types of music, Rap and R&B come to mind, I still aknowledge they are music though. Calling other forms of music "not music" or calling your own favourites "that is music" is rather arrogant IMHO :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
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Don't get me wrong Jim. I'm calling you an asshole. :) I was referring to the people who do not put effort into composing a piece, but rather let the software do it all for them. You can produce works of musical excellence using a computer or a traditional instrument if you put the effort into it and truely earn your money. As far as not seeing any other way, at the end of the day it's just my opinion that I have held for a long time. I can see the other way. I do try liking that kind of music, and I have looked at the methods used to produce such records in the past. But i'm afraid I just do not find it enjoyable whilst sober. No hard feelings Jim. :) Simon ...recently entered the land of stability with win2000. Also had his hard disk wiped thanks to a power cut during partition resizing. But hey! Sonork ID 100.10024
Simon Walton wrote: You can produce works of musical excellence using a computer or a traditional instrument if you put the effort into it and truely earn your money. Just as you can produce works of "anus horribulus" with "natural" instruments. I have heard some god-awful classical music and some dire guitar pieces. Once again ,just like in programming, it is not the language or the instrument but your talent and what you do with it. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
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I didnt know there had to be a particular type of music to dance to actually - it depends on the depth of your soul If I'm in the right mood, I can dance to just about anything !!! (so saying, the right mood occurs about once in 100 years :) )
Garth J Lancaster wrote: didnt know there had to be a particular type of music to dance to actually - it depends on the depth of your soul I definitley should have said "Uplifting Electronic Music" rather than dance. You are right though , dance music can be almost anything. I did mean electronica though. Like Paul Van Dyk's "For An Angel" etc. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
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Chris Maunder wrote: I'm not into clubbing And there's us thinking you were a slave to beat and went out high on narcotics every night doing the clubbing rounds :). To be honest, clubbing never attracted me either. Writing that statement makes me feel guilty considering my age, but I don't care. Most of my mates aren't into it either and would just rather have a drink at the local bar or pub. Did anyone see that Faking It (it was on C4/E4 here in the UK) about the cellist who became a DJ? I was cringing when she was supposed to be timing the changing of the tracks and keeping in sync and she was counting beats like an orchestral conductor :D. -- Andrew.
Andrew Peace wrote: Chris Maunder wrote: I'm not into clubbing And there's us thinking you were a slave to beat and went out high on narcotics every night doing the clubbing rounds . To be honest, clubbing never attracted me either. Writing that statement makes me feel guilty considering my age, but I don't care Good for you. If you don't like clubbing then don't be pressured by your peers into going. I don't go to clubs to chat people up, get drunk, take drugs, be seen, be part of the crowd etc. I go because it is the best place to really let go and dance to the music. You are just a face in the crowd there and you can dance like a badger, or a mouse, nobody cares and you don't care. You also get the full affect of the lights, the crowd, the elation and the mood of those around you. In a good club everyone bouys everyone up, you reach new heights and can go for longer. And when you walk out of a hot club into the cool morning air, the music still bouncing around in your head, you can just stand there on the pavement for awhile and let it all slowly go away. You can hear the silence and feel the quietness. It is amazing the contrasts :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront