Microsoft's response to Claria (gator) questions

Chris Maunder

Response to questions about Claria software[^] Claria makes gator. Microsoft is rumoured to be looking to aquire Claria. The rumours further said that the latest update of MS's anti-spyware product no longer flagged Claria's applications as spyware, fueling the conspiracy theories. cheers, Chris Maunder

Jerry Hammond

Upon review of their software against our criteria, we determined that continued detection of Claria's products was indeed appropriate. We also decided that adjustments should be made to the classification of Claria software in order to be fair and consistent with how Windows AntiSpyware (Beta) handles similar software from other vendors. I don't get it. Is it or is it not spyware as far as the beta is concerned? If not then, imho, MS has lost a ton of credibility in my eyes. Gator is the ultimate in spyware--the grandfather of all spyware, imho. Most people are willing to pay more to be amused than to be educated--Robert C. Savage, Life Lessons Toasty0.com Ladder League (beta) My Grandkids

GregH

Windows AntiSpyware (Beta) continues to notify our users when Claria software is found on a computer, and it offers our users the option to remove the software if they desire. Sounds like it is still marked as spyware to me.

Ivor S Sargoytchev

If a company creates spyware once all its future products should be considered spyware. All the developers who ever worked on spyware should be denied employment. Their kids, as well as their kids' kids should not be allowed to use a computer.

Tom Archer

As someone who's written anti-spyware apps and sells one of the largest anti-spyware databases in the world, it is common place to allow the company to respond. Claria has been stating for years that they're not spyware, but in the products I've written, we present Claria's statement and allow the user to decide. I can't say anything other than the default value used in the user interface is to delete the software. Cheers, Tom Archer - Visual C++ MVP Archer Consulting Group "So look up ahead at times to come, despair is not for us. We have a world and more to see, while this remains behind." - James N. Rowe

Judah Gabriel Himango

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Rob Graham

Ivor S. Sargoytchev wrote: Their kids, as well as their kids' kids should not be allowed to use a computer Actually I think their kids should only be restricted to computers loaded with every single piece of spyware their parents had a hand in. Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer

Ray Cassick

Rob Graham wrote: Actually I think their kids should only be restricted to computers loaded with every single piece of spyware their parents had a hand in. Seriously though, how do these people sleep at night? How do THEY surf safely? I woul dllove to knwo how many times these people have to spend time reinstallign things because their crap ruins a machine.

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Nemanja Trifunovic

Ivor S. Sargoytchev wrote: All the developers who ever worked on spyware should be denied employment. Their kids, as well as their kids' kids should not be allowed to use a computer. Nah. That's too good for them. Just hand them to John Simmons.

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peterchen

That almost sounds like the GPL :rolleyes:

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Chris Maunder

Ray Cassick wrote: I woul dllove to knwo how many times these people have to spend time reinstallign things because their crap ruins a machine Check your machine, dude. I think your keyboard driver's infected. cheers, Chris Maunder

ogrig

Toasty0 wrote: If not then, imho, MS has lost a ton of credibility in my eyes. You are at least 15 years late here, for me the PC-DOS vs Win 3.1 was the wake up call. But I'm not whingeing, the worst Windows is, the more I'm paid. After all, anybody can use a refrigerator (i.e. fridge :-O) without having to hire an expert. OGR

Christian Graus

Thanks for the link. This has been big news in the MVP forums, and I've been surprised how many people are up in arms over what seems to me to be nothing more than a rumour. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++

Ray Cassick

The one time I don't spell check my posts in Outlook before posting it and look what happens :)

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Marc Clifton

Ray Cassick wrote: The one time I don't spell check my posts in Outlook before posting it and look what happens You mean, that's how you normally spell when typing? :~ Marc My website
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Ray Cassick

Look... Ok, I admit it. I spell like crap when I am typing in a text area with no spell checker available. I figure what the heck, most of the time the server times out on me anyway :sigh:

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Michael P Butler

Christian Graus wrote: Thanks for the link. This has been big news in the MVP forums, and I've been surprised how many people are up in arms over what seems to me to be nothing more than a rumour. Some people will use any excuse to bash Microsoft. A few FUD rumours about spyware are always a good starting point. Of course, sensible people run at least 2 anti-spyware apps as most apps have their own little quirks about what they consider to be spyware. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]

Kastellanos Nikos

I have heard about 'Corporate Spyware' which is supposed to be spyware programs installed by IT administrator on users computer. Since this is installed by the admins and serve the corparation needs, anti-spyware programs don't flag them as such. Does anyone heard about them? Are they real, and if yes, how can i detect them?

Tom Archer

Ray Cassick wrote: I figure what the heck, most of the time the server times out on me anyway Mean but true :sigh: Cheers, Tom Archer - Visual C++ MVP Archer Consulting Group "So look up ahead at times to come, despair is not for us. We have a world and more to see, while this remains behind." - James N. Rowe

KaRl

:-D You are really mean, man!

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