Help! About certification!
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Hi, I am thinking of going for some kind of certification. Here is a little background info about me: I hold a master degree of Electronic Engineering from a famous university of China. Since graduation, I have been working on embedded software development and maintenance in Motorola China. Now I am in Canada. Since I don't have degree of computer science, and I would like to continue working as a programmer, I think maybe some certification might help me in launching a good job. So my question is: 1. If I go for MCSD, major in C++, is it worth it? 2. There are many on-line courses offered on the web, how do I know the provider has good reputation? 3. Anyone know about www.smartcertify.com? Is it good? Any input would be highly appreciated. Many thanks!:rose:
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Hi, I am thinking of going for some kind of certification. Here is a little background info about me: I hold a master degree of Electronic Engineering from a famous university of China. Since graduation, I have been working on embedded software development and maintenance in Motorola China. Now I am in Canada. Since I don't have degree of computer science, and I would like to continue working as a programmer, I think maybe some certification might help me in launching a good job. So my question is: 1. If I go for MCSD, major in C++, is it worth it? 2. There are many on-line courses offered on the web, how do I know the provider has good reputation? 3. Anyone know about www.smartcertify.com? Is it good? Any input would be highly appreciated. Many thanks!:rose:
I will shortly embark on MCSD, I have no qualifications at this point. I'd regard any online certification as a joke, and I would not want to hire anyone who came to me telling me they had got certified online. But based on my background, I would hire someone based on what they know and their desire to learn over someone who had less of these things and a degree. Lucky for me I've found two employers so far who agree, but as I said, I'll be getting MCSD ASAP so I have *something*. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
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I will shortly embark on MCSD, I have no qualifications at this point. I'd regard any online certification as a joke, and I would not want to hire anyone who came to me telling me they had got certified online. But based on my background, I would hire someone based on what they know and their desire to learn over someone who had less of these things and a degree. Lucky for me I've found two employers so far who agree, but as I said, I'll be getting MCSD ASAP so I have *something*. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
Hi Christian, Thank you for your quick reply.:rose: Sorry about my English. I don't think I got myself fully understood about the online issue. What I wanted to say is: should I trust those companies which provide on-line training courses? Some of them promise 24-hour mentoring and gurantee the certification. My concern is: how would I know it is worth my money? Would you mind sharing your approach to MCSD with me? How would you prepare for it, self-study or taking a course? Thank you very much for your advice. Lucy
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Hi Christian, Thank you for your quick reply.:rose: Sorry about my English. I don't think I got myself fully understood about the online issue. What I wanted to say is: should I trust those companies which provide on-line training courses? Some of them promise 24-hour mentoring and gurantee the certification. My concern is: how would I know it is worth my money? Would you mind sharing your approach to MCSD with me? How would you prepare for it, self-study or taking a course? Thank you very much for your advice. Lucy
lucy wrote: What I wanted to say is: should I trust those companies which provide on-line training courses? Some of them promise 24-hour mentoring and gurantee the certification. My concern is: how would I know it is worth my money? The guarentee is worthless. I hereby certify you in C++, and guarentee the certification. You'll note my guarentee is as good as my credibility and therefore meaningful only if it is not needed. That leaves the issue of training. You'll notice Nish is here pretty much 24 hours, and I come pretty close as well. You're much better off buying some books, a thread on good books exists only a few down from this one, and asking questions here when you get stuck. lucy wrote: Would you mind sharing your approach to MCSD with me? How would you prepare for it, self-study or taking a course? I think I've given away what my attitude is above :-) I've been working professionally as a programmer for a few years, and I've never done a course, so that colours my view a little, but IMO if you're remotely smart enough to be a programmer, then you're smart enough to learn from a book, assuming you have some friends to help you when you get stuck on something. I've always hated courses because they run at the pace of the slowest learner there, which is never me, and so you get bored and waste time. Learning from a book means learning at your own pace, which means you learn more and more quickly. I'll buy some books, figure out what parts of the exam I don't know, and learn them. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
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lucy wrote: What I wanted to say is: should I trust those companies which provide on-line training courses? Some of them promise 24-hour mentoring and gurantee the certification. My concern is: how would I know it is worth my money? The guarentee is worthless. I hereby certify you in C++, and guarentee the certification. You'll note my guarentee is as good as my credibility and therefore meaningful only if it is not needed. That leaves the issue of training. You'll notice Nish is here pretty much 24 hours, and I come pretty close as well. You're much better off buying some books, a thread on good books exists only a few down from this one, and asking questions here when you get stuck. lucy wrote: Would you mind sharing your approach to MCSD with me? How would you prepare for it, self-study or taking a course? I think I've given away what my attitude is above :-) I've been working professionally as a programmer for a few years, and I've never done a course, so that colours my view a little, but IMO if you're remotely smart enough to be a programmer, then you're smart enough to learn from a book, assuming you have some friends to help you when you get stuck on something. I've always hated courses because they run at the pace of the slowest learner there, which is never me, and so you get bored and waste time. Learning from a book means learning at your own pace, which means you learn more and more quickly. I'll buy some books, figure out what parts of the exam I don't know, and learn them. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
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Got the picture. Your advice has been very valuable. ****Christian Graus wrote: and asking questions here when you get stuck. This is reason I fell in love with this site recently.:-O I have got quite some help already. Thanks again!
lucy wrote: Got the picture. Your advice has been very valuable. Glad to help. lucy wrote: This is reason I fell in love with this site recently. I have got quite some help already. I'm sure I'm not the only one who especially loves to help other people because I remember being a beginner and asking lots of questions myself. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
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lucy wrote: What I wanted to say is: should I trust those companies which provide on-line training courses? Some of them promise 24-hour mentoring and gurantee the certification. My concern is: how would I know it is worth my money? The guarentee is worthless. I hereby certify you in C++, and guarentee the certification. You'll note my guarentee is as good as my credibility and therefore meaningful only if it is not needed. That leaves the issue of training. You'll notice Nish is here pretty much 24 hours, and I come pretty close as well. You're much better off buying some books, a thread on good books exists only a few down from this one, and asking questions here when you get stuck. lucy wrote: Would you mind sharing your approach to MCSD with me? How would you prepare for it, self-study or taking a course? I think I've given away what my attitude is above :-) I've been working professionally as a programmer for a few years, and I've never done a course, so that colours my view a little, but IMO if you're remotely smart enough to be a programmer, then you're smart enough to learn from a book, assuming you have some friends to help you when you get stuck on something. I've always hated courses because they run at the pace of the slowest learner there, which is never me, and so you get bored and waste time. Learning from a book means learning at your own pace, which means you learn more and more quickly. I'll buy some books, figure out what parts of the exam I don't know, and learn them. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
****Christian Graus wrote: I've always hated courses because they run at the pace of the slowest learner there, which is never me, and so you get bored and waste time. Learning from a book means learning at your own pace, which means you learn more and more quickly. This is why I quit college. *Frustration hell* - Jason Do you have a Pulse? SonorkID: 100.12194 :bob:'s your uncle
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****Christian Graus wrote: I've always hated courses because they run at the pace of the slowest learner there, which is never me, and so you get bored and waste time. Learning from a book means learning at your own pace, which means you learn more and more quickly. This is why I quit college. *Frustration hell* - Jason Do you have a Pulse? SonorkID: 100.12194 :bob:'s your uncle
Jason Hooper wrote: This is why I quit college. *Frustration hell* I know how you feel. "Ok guys, we're going to carry on with our html studies from last week. This week, the tag." *groan* Simon ...thrilled to bits that his dodgy GDI code no longer sods up explorer. Sonork ID 100.10024
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Hi, I am thinking of going for some kind of certification. Here is a little background info about me: I hold a master degree of Electronic Engineering from a famous university of China. Since graduation, I have been working on embedded software development and maintenance in Motorola China. Now I am in Canada. Since I don't have degree of computer science, and I would like to continue working as a programmer, I think maybe some certification might help me in launching a good job. So my question is: 1. If I go for MCSD, major in C++, is it worth it? 2. There are many on-line courses offered on the web, how do I know the provider has good reputation? 3. Anyone know about www.smartcertify.com? Is it good? Any input would be highly appreciated. Many thanks!:rose:
lucy wrote: I hold a master degree of Electronic Engineering from a famous university of China. Since graduation, I have been working on embedded software development and maintenance in Motorola China With all that I fail to see why you need an extra certification. Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Jason Hooper wrote: This is why I quit college. *Frustration hell* I know how you feel. "Ok guys, we're going to carry on with our html studies from last week. This week, the tag." *groan* Simon ...thrilled to bits that his dodgy GDI code no longer sods up explorer. Sonork ID 100.10024
It's more like.. "ok, I think you've got an understanding of the if concept. Next week we'll cover loops". When I was ten I learned loops in about the time it took me to eat a bowl of Raisin Bran. Hmm.. maybe bran content is good for programmers.... - Jason Do you have a Pulse? SonorkID: 100.12194 :bob:'s your uncle
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****Christian Graus wrote: I've always hated courses because they run at the pace of the slowest learner there, which is never me, and so you get bored and waste time. Learning from a book means learning at your own pace, which means you learn more and more quickly. This is why I quit college. *Frustration hell* - Jason Do you have a Pulse? SonorkID: 100.12194 :bob:'s your uncle
Jason Hooper wrote: This is why I quit college. *Frustration hell* I tried that one with my parents even when I was in my first year in college. Didnt work for me :-) Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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Hi, I am thinking of going for some kind of certification. Here is a little background info about me: I hold a master degree of Electronic Engineering from a famous university of China. Since graduation, I have been working on embedded software development and maintenance in Motorola China. Now I am in Canada. Since I don't have degree of computer science, and I would like to continue working as a programmer, I think maybe some certification might help me in launching a good job. So my question is: 1. If I go for MCSD, major in C++, is it worth it? 2. There are many on-line courses offered on the web, how do I know the provider has good reputation? 3. Anyone know about www.smartcertify.com? Is it good? Any input would be highly appreciated. Many thanks!:rose:
lucy wrote: 1. If I go for MCSD, major in C++, is it worth it? That depends on the kind of market your country has. In Brazil, for example, we have lots of unemployeed people... so the ones with MCSD have preference (that´s why I got mine). :) lucy wrote: 2. There are many on-line courses offered on the web, how do I know the provider has good reputation? I don´t trust this certification sites much... but I never tried them, so I can´t give you an opinion. I like MS courses material (since I´m instructor of an ATEC I can borrow them) but they are quite expensive. :( Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank
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lucy wrote: Got the picture. Your advice has been very valuable. Glad to help. lucy wrote: This is reason I fell in love with this site recently. I have got quite some help already. I'm sure I'm not the only one who especially loves to help other people because I remember being a beginner and asking lots of questions myself. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
>> being a beginner I'd rather be a beginner and continue to learn and acquire knowledge than some puffed up ponce who thinks 'they know it all' .. and I wont give up learning/trying till my last breath releives me of this mortal coil :) I think 'youre always a beginner at something' Garth
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>> being a beginner I'd rather be a beginner and continue to learn and acquire knowledge than some puffed up ponce who thinks 'they know it all' .. and I wont give up learning/trying till my last breath releives me of this mortal coil :) I think 'youre always a beginner at something' Garth
Garth J Lancaster wrote: I think 'youre always a beginner at something' I'd rephrase that to We are all beginners at everything I've beem messing around with computer technology for longer than a few CPians have been breathing. And the more I learn the more I realize I don't know. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle 'em with your bullsh*t P J Arends 0 = ( ( x^2 - (x-1)^2 ) + (x-1)^2) * ( (x-1)^2 + ( x^2 - (x-1)^2 ) ) - x^4 x != 0 0 = sqrt( x^2 - (x-1)^2 ) - 5
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>> being a beginner I'd rather be a beginner and continue to learn and acquire knowledge than some puffed up ponce who thinks 'they know it all' .. and I wont give up learning/trying till my last breath releives me of this mortal coil :) I think 'youre always a beginner at something' Garth
Garth J Lancaster wrote: I'd rather be a beginner and continue to learn and acquire knowledge than some puffed up ponce who thinks 'they know it all' .. and I wont give up learning/trying till my last breath releives me of this mortal coil I agree totally - by beginner I meant someone who is just starting to learn, but I don't think any of us get much higher than that - there is so much to learn, and anyone who thinks otherwise is finished in this industry IMO. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
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I will shortly embark on MCSD, I have no qualifications at this point. I'd regard any online certification as a joke, and I would not want to hire anyone who came to me telling me they had got certified online. But based on my background, I would hire someone based on what they know and their desire to learn over someone who had less of these things and a degree. Lucky for me I've found two employers so far who agree, but as I said, I'll be getting MCSD ASAP so I have *something*. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
Hi CG, Have you decided on your certification path for MSDN. I saw a certification roadmap from their site and it talks about a parallel stream of existing certifications along with the news ones on dot NET. I believe as time passes they will remove the older ones. So, I'm a bit confused now on taking MCSD certifications. Whats ur opinion, to take up the older ones or wait for the newer ones. Also, I'm not clear whether the older ones are upgradable to .NET. Cheers Kannan
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Hi CG, Have you decided on your certification path for MSDN. I saw a certification roadmap from their site and it talks about a parallel stream of existing certifications along with the news ones on dot NET. I believe as time passes they will remove the older ones. So, I'm a bit confused now on taking MCSD certifications. Whats ur opinion, to take up the older ones or wait for the newer ones. Also, I'm not clear whether the older ones are upgradable to .NET. Cheers Kannan
IMO I will probably do the old ones if I can, and the new ones when I can. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
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Hi, I am thinking of going for some kind of certification. Here is a little background info about me: I hold a master degree of Electronic Engineering from a famous university of China. Since graduation, I have been working on embedded software development and maintenance in Motorola China. Now I am in Canada. Since I don't have degree of computer science, and I would like to continue working as a programmer, I think maybe some certification might help me in launching a good job. So my question is: 1. If I go for MCSD, major in C++, is it worth it? 2. There are many on-line courses offered on the web, how do I know the provider has good reputation? 3. Anyone know about www.smartcertify.com? Is it good? Any input would be highly appreciated. Many thanks!:rose:
lucy wrote: There are many on-line courses offered on the web If you mean learning for your MCSD online then I would be careful as you simply do not get the same level of training than if you were in an actual class room with a certified trainer. If you mean an online certification, then avoid at all costs. They are generally terrible and recognised only in outer-Mongolia, The Congo and South Africa. :-D I am studying my MCSD through books and online tests. Also I am doing it with a co-worker so we help each other, bounce questions and answers off of each other and generally live and breath the exams when at work. Do each exam one at a time and then once you have passed one go onto the next exam and study for it. Do not try and study all 6 at once and then take them all in a few days. Good luck, I recommend the MCSD certification :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
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Jason Hooper wrote: This is why I quit college. *Frustration hell* I tried that one with my parents even when I was in my first year in college. Didnt work for me :-) Nish Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org If you don't find me on CP, I'll be at Bob's HungOut
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lucy wrote: Got the picture. Your advice has been very valuable. Glad to help. lucy wrote: This is reason I fell in love with this site recently. I have got quite some help already. I'm sure I'm not the only one who especially loves to help other people because I remember being a beginner and asking lots of questions myself. Christian I have come to clean zee pooollll. - Michael Martin Dec 30, 2001 Picture the daffodil. And while you do that, I'll be over here going through your stuff.
This is the greatest site I know for programming! The people are helpful, kind and fun. And the navigation is intuitive and easy. Je vous leve mon chapeau, Christian.. :cool: :-D :) Thank the Gods for initializing you! lol Antoine ps.: Certification is a plus, but it cost muchos money. Best to buy books and apply your knowledge almost free of charge for small businness around you. It proves your qualities, and it damn sure looks good on a resume. It shows also a lot of human qualities...;) :-D See ya! Antoine