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David Kentley wrote: *sigh* That is not why. It is because of funding, pure and simple. Speaking from experience, embarrassment as well as lack of funds, is the reason. Unless you have actually spent years in the system, rather than just observing from the outside, it's hard to know all of the reasons.
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DavidCrow wrote: Speaking from experience, embarrassment as well as lack of funds, is the reason. Unless you have actually spent years in the system, rather than just observing from the outside, it's hard to know all of the reasons. My mom has been a teacher (in public and private schools) since before I was born, and my wife is a high school teacher currently on leave while she raises our child. Everything that gets cut, every time, comes down to funding. The programs that get cut are those that don't impact the suffocating pile of pointless and harmful* tests that are designed to hold children and schools "accountable." * Suffocating because they cause teachers to "teach to the test" and instruct their kids in ways to work the system, rather than actually teaching the whole curriculum. * Pointless because, at least at my wife's school, they let some kids "elect" not to take them, artificially inflating the overall scores and letting the weaker students off the hook so it doesn't even give a clear indication of the performance of the school. * Harmful because, under our system, schools that score poorly actually get *less* funding. This seems to me like it would cause a vicious circle. I see no problem with rewarding individual students with scholarships for doing well, which they do (although this funding is in danger), but to treat entire schools this way is idiotic. So yeah, I obviously have some issues with the system as well, and it's from an insider view. :) Sorry about the tangent.
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David Wulff wrote: Get rid of this "we can't hurt their feelings" crap. These kids are going to fail at life with such an upbringing. Well said. :) David Wulff wrote: Teach kids about respect. Especially for themselves. Well said again. :) David Wulff wrote: Ban telvision and magazines. Well said yet again. :) David Wulff wrote: Bring back corporal punishment. Put the really disruptive little darlings in a cage for up to the remainder of the day. Well said... hey, wait a minute! Corporal punishment? No way! :mad: I've seen it happen at my school and it's terrible! I've seen sadist teachers who slapped 'stupid' kids and beat them up. I've never been thrashed by a teacher, but it's terrible to just see. If teachers start beating up kids, they will be no different from the school bully. And in my not-so-humble opinion, the ends DON'T justify the means. :mad: Vikram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: Well said... hey, wait a minute! Corporal punishment? No way! I've seen it happen at my school and it's terrible! I've seen sadist teachers who slapped 'stupid' kids and beat them up. I've never been thrashed by a teacher, but it's terrible to just see. If teachers start beating up kids, they will be no different from the school bully. And in my not-so-humble opinion, the ends DON'T justify the means. Corporal punishment is not the same a teacher "beating up kids" or something similar to the school bully. When someone mentions "corporal punishment", getting punched in the face or getting your lunch money taken are generally not the things that come to mind. If you have a teacher, or a parent for that matter, that basically takes kids and "beats them up", the problem is with the teacher/parent. For example: just because you have a developer that writes horrible code using
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Once upon a time I would have agreed with you. There's too many wacko's now. I don't want them touching my kids. Prior to the wacko break-out I would have totally agreed. Wacko's are the only reason I disagree. Temperment is a large part too. My kids are extremely well behaved while in the care of others. I'd like to think it's because I reinforce that before they leave and I reward/punish that when they come home. But a lot of it is also temperment of the kids. Some kids are just head strong and that's not a social problem. I applaud those kids for being so. In the long run it will serve them well if they learn to control it and use it wisely. It does take a village but the village I want is free of sex-offenders, child molesters, child abusers and generally twisted people. It's to hard today to tell who is who so my request will be that nobody touch my child but me. I will also make sure I am very available to come if the school needs it. Not a great solution but wackos make it necessary.
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code-frog wrote: It does take a village but the village I want is free of sex-offenders, child molesters, child abusers and generally twisted people. Yes, CF, I totally agree with this as well and I understand why people don't want others to touch their kids (I have two daughters, so I FULLY understand that concept). If you have children that are well behaved in school, consider yourself blessed. My parents had major issues with my sister, but I was never a problem. They handled us both the in the same manner ... to this day, I will NEVER understand my sister and why she is the way she is (nothing bad ever happened to her, just one day, she decided to hate school). My point is/was that the school system is not going to work until all parties come together and fix the current problems at hand. Parents MUST become more involved with their children and their schooling (as you've said). The school system MUST give back some power to the teachers (as I've said); they should be able to grade without a "curve", fail children that are failing, send kids to detention when needed ... they have to have some form of power, because right now, the kids KNOW they don't. It is true, that the few wackos have totally screwed it up for the rest of us ... this seems to happen OFTEN in this world.
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code-frog wrote: You didn't do the work so you don't get the credit. In case you haven't read this entire thread, that's just it. Kids are passing anyway without doing the work. code-frog wrote: Who cares if the call it a green star. The mom's and dad's take care of the problem because they know what it really means. I never said the parent didn't have a responsibility in this. I said if the kids deserve to fail then they should. Also, if you understand the psychology behind it, the idea of wrong from parents and wrong from school still has more impact than wrong from parents and right from school, regardless whether or not the parents due their part. Being ok from one side gives them a mental shelter. Did I say the parent could not take matters into their own hands? Nope, but I do believe the school board should get some things right though since it's their job to teach. code-frog wrote: Are you a parent yet? If not someday you will know what I mean. If you ever take that road. I don't care what they call it and I don't care what it means to the world. In my home I will know what it means and so will my kids. Well, as I said the psychological impact would be greater on the child that such performance is non-acceptable if it comes from everyone involved. Jeremy Falcon
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This is the result IMHO of education trying to be made a profit center instead of a well funded cost center that invests in the future of a country. Add into that the sue-everything-that-moves-that-I-don't-like mentality of America today and welcome to the dumb and dumber show. Very very very sad. :sigh:
fakefur wrote: trying to be made a profit center instead of a well funded cost center that invests in the future of a country I think it has more to do with the fact that, as a gov't run entity, it has to justify the funding it gets by spending the money. There is no reward for budgetting wisely, but spend your cash willy-nilly, and you'll be sure to get even more the following year. Private schools don't have nearly the difficulty public ones do, from what I've seen. This also seems to negate the suing excuse, unless we can show that people who invest in private education sue less than those in public schools. BW
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I don't know what anyone on this thread is complaining about - when government officals receive medals for massive screwups and refuse to accept responsibility for the mistakes they make, why should we hold children accountable for their actions? If you were all so zealous about correcting the activities of adults the children would have examples to follow and wouldn't require beatings.
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I know, it is too sad to contemplate. Just how... and where... did the system get so badly fucked up? You want discipline in school? You want kids to start learning and stop the abuse? It is shockingly easy: - Get rid of this "we can't hurt their feelings" crap. These kids are going to fail at life with such an upbringing. - Bring back corporal punishment. Put the really disruptive little darlings in a cage for up to the remainder of the day. - Teach kids about respect. Especially for themselves. Ban telvision and magazines. - Provide propper leisure activities for kids. Bring back parks that are real parks not merely an unbuilt on plot of land, bring back dangerous playground equipment like climbing frames or swings without seat harnesses, and let the damned kids be kids. Stop treating them like little adults which they have neither the wish nor maturity/responsibility to be.
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David Wulff wrote: Bring back corporal punishment. Put the really disruptive little darlings in a cage for up to the remainder of the day. I've been in schools with and without corporal punishment and in both cases, the students repected and obeyed the teachers that demanded respect and acted up with those that didn't. The threat of a paddle or cutting out our tounges with scissors didn't really have any effect on the situation at all. David Wulff wrote: Teach kids about respect. Especially for themselves. The best teachers I've had established respectful behavior in the classroom at all times. Both teacher to student and student to teacher. This is the core of what a learning environment is based on. I've even been in classrooms where grades weren't given. However the standards were much higher. If any of the work wasn't completed to the required level it was done over until it was done correctly, essentially only A level work counted. For example a report on any subject out the the encyclopeida was due every day. If yesterdays report wasn't good enough, then both reports were required.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: Corporal punishment? No way! You know, for all it's failings... it worked. It worked with my fathers generation, and the one before that. Kids don't see it as a violent meaingless act, they see it as a punishment. Just the same as parents who discipline their kids with the occasional visit from the backs of their hands. The trouble is you can't legislate such things because it is a very fine line between punishment and abuse. I know the definition of corporal punishment is physical pain, but it is more the humiliation that punishes than the pain. I had a non-physical form of that when I went to public school* and I turned out ok... :suss: * Public schools in England are privately owned/run schools. I.e. non-state - they don't punish you at all in state schools!
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I used to think CP was a good thing until high-school where I watched a teacher send two kids to hospital after a canning. The teacher was then taken to court and jailed AFAIR. Plus those kids just grow up wanting to beat the crap out of anyone that disagrees with them. I know I do... *twitch* regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
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I used to think CP was a good thing until high-school where I watched a teacher send two kids to hospital after a canning. The teacher was then taken to court and jailed AFAIR. Plus those kids just grow up wanting to beat the crap out of anyone that disagrees with them. I know I do... *twitch* regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Dan Bennett wrote: He could have at least included a perforated line for easy detachment - that would be intelligent design
Paul Watson wrote: I used to think CP was a good thing I was sitting here trying to think what on earth CodeProject had to do with your high school... then it hit me. :doh: Paul Watson wrote: The teacher was then taken to court and jailed AFAIR. That wasn't corporal punishment, that was child abuse and the person responsible was jailed for it. How are they at all related?
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code-frog wrote: It does take a village but the village I want is free of sex-offenders, child molesters, child abusers and generally twisted people. Yes, CF, I totally agree with this as well and I understand why people don't want others to touch their kids (I have two daughters, so I FULLY understand that concept). If you have children that are well behaved in school, consider yourself blessed. My parents had major issues with my sister, but I was never a problem. They handled us both the in the same manner ... to this day, I will NEVER understand my sister and why she is the way she is (nothing bad ever happened to her, just one day, she decided to hate school). My point is/was that the school system is not going to work until all parties come together and fix the current problems at hand. Parents MUST become more involved with their children and their schooling (as you've said). The school system MUST give back some power to the teachers (as I've said); they should be able to grade without a "curve", fail children that are failing, send kids to detention when needed ... they have to have some form of power, because right now, the kids KNOW they don't. It is true, that the few wackos have totally screwed it up for the rest of us ... this seems to happen OFTEN in this world.
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Fold with us|Development Blogging|viksoe.dk's siteDouglas Troy wrote: My point is/was that the school system is not going to work until all parties come together and fix the current problems at hand. Parents MUST become more involved with their children and their schooling (as you've said). The school system MUST give back some power to the teachers (as I've said); they should be able to grade without a "curve", fail children that are failing, send kids to detention when needed ... they have to have some form of power, because right now, the kids KNOW they don't. I agree. Very much so! But as many jobs are going over seas our kids won't need an education for to much longer anyways. (That's kind of a joke but only kind of.) - Rex
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David Wulff wrote: Bring back corporal punishment. Put the really disruptive little darlings in a cage for up to the remainder of the day. I've been in schools with and without corporal punishment and in both cases, the students repected and obeyed the teachers that demanded respect and acted up with those that didn't. The threat of a paddle or cutting out our tounges with scissors didn't really have any effect on the situation at all. David Wulff wrote: Teach kids about respect. Especially for themselves. The best teachers I've had established respectful behavior in the classroom at all times. Both teacher to student and student to teacher. This is the core of what a learning environment is based on. I've even been in classrooms where grades weren't given. However the standards were much higher. If any of the work wasn't completed to the required level it was done over until it was done correctly, essentially only A level work counted. For example a report on any subject out the the encyclopeida was due every day. If yesterdays report wasn't good enough, then both reports were required.
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andy brummer wrote: 've been in schools with and without corporal punishment and in both cases, the students repected and obeyed the teachers that demanded respect and acted up with those that didn't. I went to eight schools as a kid and only two of them really needed corporal punishment. One actually had a very good alternative - 10 laps of a very, very large* walled playground - and the other used detentions. The first one had the least repeat offences amongst average pupils, only the really hardcore kept coming back for more. In the second one there was a terrible discipline problem and disruptive pupils were a real problem in most classes. And then the other half dozen schools I went to had a couple of disruptive pupils who either disappeared or settled down in due course and that was all. I've been very lucky with my schooling in that I went to very good schools. Best achievers in the area, etc. I strongly believe that 90% of problem pubils come about because of the other 10% - cut them out and the problem ceases. With the attitudes the kids in this country have today though even 10 laps of a very large playground won't keep them in check - they are in school purely to make the teachers lives hell, be it through disruption, violence, abuse and in very rare cases rape or murder. Those delightful little babes need a good wrap around the fingers to keep them in check. * large to a six year old, I'm sure it wasn't as big as I remember it
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Douglas Troy wrote: My point is/was that the school system is not going to work until all parties come together and fix the current problems at hand. Parents MUST become more involved with their children and their schooling (as you've said). The school system MUST give back some power to the teachers (as I've said); they should be able to grade without a "curve", fail children that are failing, send kids to detention when needed ... they have to have some form of power, because right now, the kids KNOW they don't. I agree. Very much so! But as many jobs are going over seas our kids won't need an education for to much longer anyways. (That's kind of a joke but only kind of.) - Rex
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4687203.stm[^] We are now wanting to PAY kids for behaving! Am I just getting old or is the world going stark raving mad? And what's more, I just heard on the radio that it's been suggested that children are no longer told that they have failed at a subject - but they have "achieved deferred success". Kid sister rules prevent me from expressing my feelings about this hippy nonsense! I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
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andy brummer wrote: 've been in schools with and without corporal punishment and in both cases, the students repected and obeyed the teachers that demanded respect and acted up with those that didn't. I went to eight schools as a kid and only two of them really needed corporal punishment. One actually had a very good alternative - 10 laps of a very, very large* walled playground - and the other used detentions. The first one had the least repeat offences amongst average pupils, only the really hardcore kept coming back for more. In the second one there was a terrible discipline problem and disruptive pupils were a real problem in most classes. And then the other half dozen schools I went to had a couple of disruptive pupils who either disappeared or settled down in due course and that was all. I've been very lucky with my schooling in that I went to very good schools. Best achievers in the area, etc. I strongly believe that 90% of problem pubils come about because of the other 10% - cut them out and the problem ceases. With the attitudes the kids in this country have today though even 10 laps of a very large playground won't keep them in check - they are in school purely to make the teachers lives hell, be it through disruption, violence, abuse and in very rare cases rape or murder. Those delightful little babes need a good wrap around the fingers to keep them in check. * large to a six year old, I'm sure it wasn't as big as I remember it
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Yeah, I went to something like 12 schools before the 9th grade. Public schools in Wisconsin and Texas, various Montessori schools, a magnet middle school and one Catholic school. Some of the schools were good some were bad (66% drop out rate in high school, I only know of 2 rapes while I was there, so not that rare unfortunately). There were a lot of cultural issues. One of my teachers told the story of how he had to run away from home and stay with friends to finish high school and go on to college because his parents wanted him to drop out get a job and support the family. There were a lot of behavior problems and with a lot more then 10% of the class. Try being the only white kid out of a group of 100 12-16 year olds in PE class in the Poly area of Ft. Worth. One thing I noticed was that good teachers didn't need corporal punishment and the less qualified used it as a cruch indepenent of the behavior of the class. I view it as something akin to a martial art. A true master can defeat you just by using your own motion against yourself. Seeing someone manipluate a classroom full of students with that level of Judo-like finess can change your whole outlook on education. The problem is that most people are lucky to have one of those teachers in their entire life.
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DavidCrow wrote: That may sound kind of cheesy, but it's not uncommon for some parents to hold their kid(s) back for fear of them becoming better than the rest of the family My god. If ever there is a case for social services to remove a child from a family that is one of the strongest ones. :omg:
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David Wulff wrote: My god. If ever there is a case for social services to remove a child from a family that is one of the strongest ones. No. You only have a 25% chance of removing a child who is being physically beaten. Often they will get temporary family arrangements (preferrably elsewhere in the same family), the abuser will be sent to manditory classes and then given the child back again. It is very difficult to take a child away from the parents. There are those who believe that there are absolutely no abuse or other family issues and that a child should never be taken away, and parents should never be questioned about how they treat their children. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I strongly disagree. In the situations you are hinting at it is not the system that's at fault, it's the kids who are fucked up far beyond anything corporal punishment could change. You honestly think school shootings are due to kids being punished? It's kids that make kids shoot kids - lack of discipline and respect breeds itself. The point behind corporal punishment in schools is humiliation. That is the only thing that will prevent a determined kid from misbehaving. The violence is not an issue. Indeed, if you asked most kids who've received it I'm sure the common answer would be that they would have prefered to have received a hell of a lot more pain if only it was done in private. The reason corporal punishment works, whether it is in schools, the military, or wherever, is because it teaches people very quickly that their actions have real consequences. It is straigtforward association, and it works perfectly and with far less damage to the individual than other methods will leave.
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David Wulff wrote: The point behind corporal punishment in schools is humiliation. That is the only thing that will prevent a determined kid from misbehaving. The problem is the definition of misbehaving. Unfortunately it was the abuse of the rules that removed the ability to punish rather than punishing the teachers and principals who abused the system. In first grade I was hit for being ill in class and for drawing my J's alternating backwards and forwards. The teacher thought I was doing it deliberately to taunt her so everytime I did something she would hit me with her metal ruler, back of hands, arms, back, cheek once but she got in trouble for that. So the question comes down to, how do you determine the proper time for punishment. When I asked to be excused for being ill, she refused, when I asked again, she hit me for asking twice the same question. When I threw up on the floor of the classroom, I can't remember how often she hit me. So yes, punishment can work, but when misused the punishment was punished rather than the teachers who misused it... _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4687203.stm[^] We are now wanting to PAY kids for behaving! Am I just getting old or is the world going stark raving mad? And what's more, I just heard on the radio that it's been suggested that children are no longer told that they have failed at a subject - but they have "achieved deferred success". Kid sister rules prevent me from expressing my feelings about this hippy nonsense! I still remember having to write your own code in FORTRAN rather than be a cut and paste merchant being pampered by colour coded Intellisense - ahh proper programming - those were the days :)
Baconbutty wrote: children are no longer told that they have failed at a subject - but they have "achieved deferred success". I heard a second hand rumor (a work colleague who knew someone, as opposed to "someone who knew someone who...". This would make my post a less than second hand rumor :rolleyes: ) about a school here in Melbourne where the kids don't use a blackboard, it is called chalk-board now. OGR
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CF - Children are all of our responsibility ... the old saying: "It takes a village to raise a child", really is so very true. Parents are too blame for failing to properly discipline their kids over such matters as school. Teachers have no recourse for discipline now, so their recourse is to drag the parents into it. It is the parents that seem to be saying "When my kid is in school, it's YOUR job to teach them and keep them in line", all the while many of those same parents are saying "But don't touch my kid, you can't fail them, I don't believe you when you tell me my kid is bad, keep talking and I'll sue". HOWEVER ... I've heard all too often teacher's saying, even of my own son, that his behavior in their class is somehow MY responsibility. Exactly how am I, while sitting in my office trying to do MY job, supposed to keep my son in his seat in their class room? I, unlike others, disciplined for school troubles at home, sat with my child, did homework with him, (as did my wife) etc ... until we finally pulled him out to Home School. No, they have to play a part in this as well ... and the fact of the matter is, when the teachers cannot discipline, and the school system says "Hands off" and both the parents have to work just to afford living (so they believe) ... everyone is pointing their fingers at everyone else saying "It's YOUR job, not mine" and the only ones loosing are the children. It's eveyone's job, the problem seems to me, that no one wants to do to, or those that do (e.g., Teachers) aren't given the "power" or "authority" they need to make that happen. My two cents.
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Fold with us|Development Blogging|viksoe.dk's siteDouglas Troy wrote: Exactly how am I, while sitting in my office trying to do MY job, supposed to keep my son in his seat in their class room? That is wrong on soooo many levels.... When your son cannot be kept in his seat he should get the mark to show it. Then it's your job to make him understand why that mark is not good enough for the two of you. If kids don't get the proper feedback from their families no amount of work done by the teachers can do anything. The school is there to teach you subjects, not values. Nobody ever laid a hand on me for my school results, neither parents nor teachers, but there was never a doubt in my mind about how my family felt about my bad marks. That didn't stop me from getting a few of them, but I never did it twice in a row for the same reason (I'll ignore music here :rolleyes: ). Trust me on this one, I've seen a whole education system going down this way. The story is a bit long for this thread, but when the teachers at my school called the police in to keep the thugs around the schoolyard under control they immediately made it into the news. Guess what, each and everyone of the parents involved had the same answer: "when he /she should be at school, he/she is your responsibility". Please note the "should be" instead of "is". OGR