Another attack?
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Sounds to wide spread to be just a prank though..... Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Just heard a report on Sky News the police arrested someone at a hospital near one of the Subway stations. Hopefully they get the b*stards quickly. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Just heard a report on Sky News the police arrested someone at a hospital near one of the Subway stations. Hopefully they get the b*stards quickly. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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The stupid bastard probably burned himself setting the thing off. I do hope they have someone in custody and I do hope he squeals like a pig.
I have a lot of woodworking tools out in the garage that I would be more than happy to use to loosen the guys lips. I have a 4 inch belt sander that would definitely be persuasive...... Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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I have a lot of woodworking tools out in the garage that I would be more than happy to use to loosen the guys lips. I have a 4 inch belt sander that would definitely be persuasive...... Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Can I volunteer to help? I have no experience at that sort of thing but am a quick learner and am eager to acquire new skills.
The true price of freedom is war.
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Grrr. Was on the tube (not any of the lines affected) coming back from a meeting via Liverpool Street. If these moronic freaks hate us and our culture so much why don't they just fuck off and leave us alone? Answer: cos they's rather we all fell in under their rule of hate and fear. Nice religion. Remind me to sign up. When hell has frozen, melted and frozen again. Which is where these twats should be. Now. Yes, I'm bloody angry again.
The true price of freedom is war.
Your anger is misplaced. Murderous assholes exist in every society and every culture. The question you have to ask is how can so many of these guys exist in a closely knit community without a signigicant number of their neighbors not having some suspicion about what they are up to. That is something to get mad about - those who are hiding their cowardice behind a veil of moderation, hiding behind thier "peaceful" religion, hiding behind the civility of a too tolerant society. Maybe its time to start being a tad less civil and start making demands rather than requests. (ie. Stop saying "could you please monitor your wackos a little more closely" and start saying "if your wackos keep this up, we are going to start random deportations by the fucking busload"). Tolerance is a beautiful thing until the intolerant figure out how to take advantage of it. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Can I volunteer to help? I have no experience at that sort of thing but am a quick learner and am eager to acquire new skills.
The true price of freedom is war.
I would be more than happy to accept offers of help, but we need to avoid getting carried away.... you have to make sure that the guy can keep talking.... remember your hearing protection Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Your anger is misplaced. Murderous assholes exist in every society and every culture. The question you have to ask is how can so many of these guys exist in a closely knit community without a signigicant number of their neighbors not having some suspicion about what they are up to. That is something to get mad about - those who are hiding their cowardice behind a veil of moderation, hiding behind thier "peaceful" religion, hiding behind the civility of a too tolerant society. Maybe its time to start being a tad less civil and start making demands rather than requests. (ie. Stop saying "could you please monitor your wackos a little more closely" and start saying "if your wackos keep this up, we are going to start random deportations by the fucking busload"). Tolerance is a beautiful thing until the intolerant figure out how to take advantage of it. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: Maybe its time to start being a tad less civil and start making demands rather than requests. (ie. Stop saying "could you please monitor your wackos a little more closely" and start saying "if your wackos keep this up, we are going to start random deportations by the f***ing busload"). A very non-PC way of hitting the nail on the head. I wonder how Europe is going to deal with the reality of terrorism after the bombings in LOndon and Madrid, and the murder of that Dutch politician. While by themselves these acts can't be used to condemn the whole Muslim community, reports like this http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2005/07/007132print.html[^] make it hard for people to be very supportive of the so called moderates. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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The stupid bastard probably burned himself setting the thing off. I do hope they have someone in custody and I do hope he squeals like a pig.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: The stupid bastard probably burned himself setting the thing off. You may well be right apparently... Tube cleared after small blasts[^] Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
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Stan Shannon wrote: Maybe its time to start being a tad less civil and start making demands rather than requests. (ie. Stop saying "could you please monitor your wackos a little more closely" and start saying "if your wackos keep this up, we are going to start random deportations by the f***ing busload"). A very non-PC way of hitting the nail on the head. I wonder how Europe is going to deal with the reality of terrorism after the bombings in LOndon and Madrid, and the murder of that Dutch politician. While by themselves these acts can't be used to condemn the whole Muslim community, reports like this http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2005/07/007132print.html[^] make it hard for people to be very supportive of the so called moderates. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
The question is how does a true moderate behave when confronted with violent extremism? I would submit that every single allied troop who died on d-day was a moderate. That is how a moderate behaves. Every true moderate knows that there is no "moderate" way to respond to extremism and murder. At some point you have to be willing to be as out extreme as the extremist. I am convinced that "moderate" must be some middle eastern word for "coward". "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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The question is how does a true moderate behave when confronted with violent extremism? I would submit that every single allied troop who died on d-day was a moderate. That is how a moderate behaves. Every true moderate knows that there is no "moderate" way to respond to extremism and murder. At some point you have to be willing to be as out extreme as the extremist. I am convinced that "moderate" must be some middle eastern word for "coward". "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Thank you for your wise words. I am angry at the *moment* but am sober enough to know that Europe has its collective head stuck deep in the sand and does not want to see that the status quo has a price that may be too high to pay. [Damn cookies: got logged out again: legal Alien]
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Your anger is misplaced. Murderous assholes exist in every society and every culture. The question you have to ask is how can so many of these guys exist in a closely knit community without a signigicant number of their neighbors not having some suspicion about what they are up to. That is something to get mad about - those who are hiding their cowardice behind a veil of moderation, hiding behind thier "peaceful" religion, hiding behind the civility of a too tolerant society. Maybe its time to start being a tad less civil and start making demands rather than requests. (ie. Stop saying "could you please monitor your wackos a little more closely" and start saying "if your wackos keep this up, we are going to start random deportations by the fucking busload"). Tolerance is a beautiful thing until the intolerant figure out how to take advantage of it. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: Murderous assholes exist in every society and every culture. Yes, unfortunately. Stan Shannon wrote: The question you have to ask is how can so many of these guys exist in a closely knit community without a signigicant number of their neighbors not having some suspicion about what they are up to. So many? How many are we talking about here? Dozens, hundreds? Or just 2 or 3? Are you proposing that neighbors start snooping and spying on each other, and reporting activities they deem suspicious to the authorities? There are plenty of countries that already have that system well in place: North Korea, China, Cuba. Is that where you want us to be, Stan? Throw in a one-party system of government, ran by the extreme right (of course), and we'll be good to go, right? Alvaro
Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. -- GWB, 1999.
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The question is how does a true moderate behave when confronted with violent extremism? I would submit that every single allied troop who died on d-day was a moderate. That is how a moderate behaves. Every true moderate knows that there is no "moderate" way to respond to extremism and murder. At some point you have to be willing to be as out extreme as the extremist. I am convinced that "moderate" must be some middle eastern word for "coward". "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Thank you for your wise words. I am angry at the *moment* but am sober enough to know that Europe has its collective head stuck deep in the sand and does not want to see that the status quo has a price that may be too high to pay. [Damn cookies: got logged out again: legal Alien]
I have always felt that Europe, as a whole, overreacted to the horrors of WWII, and went too far in the direction of openess and tolerance. I fear they are going to ultimately pay a higher price for the latter extreme then they did for the former. People who wish to understand why we Americans re-elected Bush need look no further than this. Our democrat party is simply too philosphically aligned with the European mind set, and that scares the hell out of a lot of us who feel that the comfortable middle ground includes questioning the concept of unlimited, non-judgemental tolerance. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Stan Shannon wrote: Murderous assholes exist in every society and every culture. Yes, unfortunately. Stan Shannon wrote: The question you have to ask is how can so many of these guys exist in a closely knit community without a signigicant number of their neighbors not having some suspicion about what they are up to. So many? How many are we talking about here? Dozens, hundreds? Or just 2 or 3? Are you proposing that neighbors start snooping and spying on each other, and reporting activities they deem suspicious to the authorities? There are plenty of countries that already have that system well in place: North Korea, China, Cuba. Is that where you want us to be, Stan? Throw in a one-party system of government, ran by the extreme right (of course), and we'll be good to go, right? Alvaro
Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. -- GWB, 1999.
Alvaro Mendez wrote: So many? How many are we talking about here? Dozens, hundreds? Or just 2 or 3? Sure, the recruiters and trainers just magically contacted the 2 or 3 who were willing to blow themselves up. ESP you know. Alvaro Mendez wrote: Are you proposing that neighbors start snooping and spying on each other, Yes. The entire foundation of democracy is that we, as free people, are willing to use our freedoms responsibly. When it becomes obvious that some in our communities are not, then we, as responsible citizens, must take action. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Stan Shannon wrote: I am convinced that "moderate" must be some middle eastern word for "coward". It could be rather relgious than middle eastern. Maybe Heaven forbids telling on a brother.
Anonymous wrote: Maybe Heaven forbids telling on a brother. We cannot allow that to be an excuse. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Grrr. Was on the tube (not any of the lines affected) coming back from a meeting via Liverpool Street. If these moronic freaks hate us and our culture so much why don't they just fuck off and leave us alone? Answer: cos they's rather we all fell in under their rule of hate and fear. Nice religion. Remind me to sign up. When hell has frozen, melted and frozen again. Which is where these twats should be. Now. Yes, I'm bloody angry again.
The true price of freedom is war.
Thankfully it looks like the idiots fucked up their bomb recipie. All that studying of the 3 'Q's must have taken its toll. This time, we might actualy get closer to hearing the full story from their tacit supporters (what lovely boys, we would never have thought they were murderous fanatics, they just liked going to the mosque,bush is evil, etc), as we have one of them alive. Shame we can't just stick a bag on their head and pack themn and their pals off on the next gulfsteam to Syria.
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: So many? How many are we talking about here? Dozens, hundreds? Or just 2 or 3? Sure, the recruiters and trainers just magically contacted the 2 or 3 who were willing to blow themselves up. ESP you know. Alvaro Mendez wrote: Are you proposing that neighbors start snooping and spying on each other, Yes. The entire foundation of democracy is that we, as free people, are willing to use our freedoms responsibly. When it becomes obvious that some in our communities are not, then we, as responsible citizens, must take action. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
Stan Shannon wrote: Yes. The entire foundation of democracy is that we, as free people, are willing to use our freedoms responsibly. When it becomes obvious that some in our communities are not, then we, as responsible citizens, must take action. I can only refer you to this quote from Benjamin Franklin, which I believe: "Those who are willing to sacrifice their basic liberties to assure their security deserve neither." Alvaro
Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. -- GWB, 1999.
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Stan Shannon wrote: Yes. The entire foundation of democracy is that we, as free people, are willing to use our freedoms responsibly. When it becomes obvious that some in our communities are not, then we, as responsible citizens, must take action. I can only refer you to this quote from Benjamin Franklin, which I believe: "Those who are willing to sacrifice their basic liberties to assure their security deserve neither." Alvaro
Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. -- GWB, 1999.
Alvaro Mendez wrote: "Those who are willing to sacrifice their basic liberties to assure their security deserve neither." I really resent when American icons are used to defend modern, Marxist idealogies. I don't think you have a clue about what Franklin meant. Fraklin would not have hesitated to monitor his neighbors activities if he thought he could save the lives of his other neighbors, and would have thought it an absurd notion that to do so was a sacrifice of anyone's liberty. "Capitalism is the source of all true freedom."
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Stan Shannon wrote: Yes. The entire foundation of democracy is that we, as free people, are willing to use our freedoms responsibly. When it becomes obvious that some in our communities are not, then we, as responsible citizens, must take action. I can only refer you to this quote from Benjamin Franklin, which I believe: "Those who are willing to sacrifice their basic liberties to assure their security deserve neither." Alvaro
Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is. -- GWB, 1999.
Just as valid: All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing Edmund Burke No one proposed the sacrifice of basic freedoms, Rather that it is time to act against evil in our midst. If my neigbor were to come home tonight stinking of explosives, perhaps with burns on his clothing, I would insure that he got an opportunity to explain that to the authorities. How many muslims in London will do the same tonight? Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power Eric Hoffer The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not. Eric Hoffer