So who is going to buy a FireFox license?
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The irony in this is just astounding: FireFox goes for-profit[^] I'm laughing my you know what off over this one. Open source developers yet again being played for the suckers that they are, contributing probably billions of dollars of developer time and getting nothing in return while someone else profits. I wish Lauren were around to razz over this one...wait...maybe she is? ;)
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
I can't see it making a lot of difference. FireFox has it's die hard fans who won't change their views and as I can't see them charging money for the browser itself then your average Internet user who want's to use FireFox will still do so. It is only the people who saw the invetiability of this move 12-18 months ago that will get anything worthwhile out of this - sheer amusement at being proved correct by one of the flagship projects that was mean't to prove them wrong. I can't say I agree that using a community driven project to generate profits for what is now a commercial for-profits entity is entirely ethical. But what do I know, I only use FireFox to check the web sites I build work with it (and even then I still find the interface lacking usability, but that's for another day). I'm not 'in' with the 'cool crowd', as you can see from the consecutive low votes for this message. I got shivers reading the official press release. I kept thinking back to the Umbrella Corporation from the Resident Evil games/films... On August 3rd, 2005, the Mozilla Foundation, a non-profit public benefit software development organization, launched a wholly owned subsidiary, the Mozilla Corporation. The Mozilla Corporation will operate ruthlessly as a major international player in a number of markets including Internet browsers, pharmaceuticals, medical hardware and computers along with more clandestine operations utilising genetic engineering and bioweaponry. :~
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
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The irony in this is just astounding: FireFox goes for-profit[^] I'm laughing my you know what off over this one. Open source developers yet again being played for the suckers that they are, contributing probably billions of dollars of developer time and getting nothing in return while someone else profits. I wish Lauren were around to razz over this one...wait...maybe she is? ;)
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
I wish this whole debate was not ruled by such extreme attitudes. We would get a lot more done and figured out if we didn't fall back on hyperbole, religion and dissing the other side. I don't see this for-profit move as taking advantage of contributors. regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Gary Kirkham wrote: The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the cliché...Star Trek had it in spades.
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I can't see it making a lot of difference. FireFox has it's die hard fans who won't change their views and as I can't see them charging money for the browser itself then your average Internet user who want's to use FireFox will still do so. It is only the people who saw the invetiability of this move 12-18 months ago that will get anything worthwhile out of this - sheer amusement at being proved correct by one of the flagship projects that was mean't to prove them wrong. I can't say I agree that using a community driven project to generate profits for what is now a commercial for-profits entity is entirely ethical. But what do I know, I only use FireFox to check the web sites I build work with it (and even then I still find the interface lacking usability, but that's for another day). I'm not 'in' with the 'cool crowd', as you can see from the consecutive low votes for this message. I got shivers reading the official press release. I kept thinking back to the Umbrella Corporation from the Resident Evil games/films... On August 3rd, 2005, the Mozilla Foundation, a non-profit public benefit software development organization, launched a wholly owned subsidiary, the Mozilla Corporation. The Mozilla Corporation will operate ruthlessly as a major international player in a number of markets including Internet browsers, pharmaceuticals, medical hardware and computers along with more clandestine operations utilising genetic engineering and bioweaponry. :~
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
David Wulff wrote: a number of markets including Internet browsers, pharmaceuticals, medical hardware Interesting mix... I assume I can look forward to a longer, wider, harder browsing experience, which will make me a stallion in the eyes of my geeky significant other... but only if I switch to Mozilla branded products.:suss: "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
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The irony in this is just astounding: FireFox goes for-profit[^] I'm laughing my you know what off over this one. Open source developers yet again being played for the suckers that they are, contributing probably billions of dollars of developer time and getting nothing in return while someone else profits. I wish Lauren were around to razz over this one...wait...maybe she is? ;)
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
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David Wulff wrote: a number of markets including Internet browsers, pharmaceuticals, medical hardware Interesting mix... I assume I can look forward to a longer, wider, harder browsing experience, which will make me a stallion in the eyes of my geeky significant other... but only if I switch to Mozilla branded products.:suss: "...putting all your eggs in one basket along with your bowling ball and gym clothes only gets you scrambled eggs and an extra laundry day... " - Jeffry J. Brickley
Roger Wright wrote: but only if I switch to Mozilla branded products It is the future[^]
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
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The irony in this is just astounding: FireFox goes for-profit[^] I'm laughing my you know what off over this one. Open source developers yet again being played for the suckers that they are, contributing probably billions of dollars of developer time and getting nothing in return while someone else profits. I wish Lauren were around to razz over this one...wait...maybe she is? ;)
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
I'm probably one of Mozilla's biggest detractors but I've no problem with this. I'm sure if they can start making money, then they'll be on a better footing to make a more polished solution that addresses the needs of the corporate desktop better than the current version does. Hopefully the money earnt will be spent first in the testing and quality control departments and then maybe I won't have so many problems with FireFox locking up or failing to auto-update. And a better product will give Microsoft more competition so that they don't sit on their arses like have done for the last few years. And as Firefox is open-source, we can always fork it if we don't like the direction they take. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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The irony in this is just astounding: FireFox goes for-profit[^] I'm laughing my you know what off over this one. Open source developers yet again being played for the suckers that they are, contributing probably billions of dollars of developer time and getting nothing in return while someone else profits. I wish Lauren were around to razz over this one...wait...maybe she is? ;)
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
Not me. I keep hearing that we should use FireFox because it's free and safe, and that IE is bundled in Windows, and that we actually pay for it. FireFox is not a lot safer than IE, and it's no longer free. What's the difference with IE now? Mozilla Foundation stole people's time (developers, in particular) telling them they were building a free browser that was going to take over the world, then decides to sell it. If that's not cheating, what is it?
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The irony in this is just astounding: FireFox goes for-profit[^] I'm laughing my you know what off over this one. Open source developers yet again being played for the suckers that they are, contributing probably billions of dollars of developer time and getting nothing in return while someone else profits. I wish Lauren were around to razz over this one...wait...maybe she is? ;)
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
My take, the browser is free and it's a decent product. I give it 3.5 stars out of 5. Imagine what the product might turn into with some capital to build it. The only thing we know is that they want to make some money (My !-GAWD-! What A Concept!). Sure it has been free and sure it's been open source and sure we can all get the code and carry on that fine tradition I mean why not get it, make a huge article and call it BobFox? Okay so back to my point. If they had some money to use they might implement some very cool stuff. Time will tell but I don't know if this will be bad or good. My instincts tell me it will be more gooder than badder :laugh:. I think Mozilla is going to see the public reaction which will largely be :wtf: and then they will know they have to be very careful or they will completely FUBAR a good thing. I bet they handle it well and if they don't there's always...mmmm...mmm.... Stay tuned I'll think of something to complete this sentence with, just haven't downloaded it yet and I doubt it will have IE on it anywhere. ;P
I know you can't become if you only say what you would have done and you'll miss a million miles of fun." - Len Work hard, play hard. Don't forget who you are and don't forget where you're from. Do all these things well and you won't have to wonder where you are going.
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Not me. I keep hearing that we should use FireFox because it's free and safe, and that IE is bundled in Windows, and that we actually pay for it. FireFox is not a lot safer than IE, and it's no longer free. What's the difference with IE now? Mozilla Foundation stole people's time (developers, in particular) telling them they were building a free browser that was going to take over the world, then decides to sell it. If that's not cheating, what is it?
[ I may just have missed something ] Did they say they would be selling FireFox itself?
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
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[ I may just have missed something ] Did they say they would be selling FireFox itself?
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
I looked on Mozilla.org. According to a FAQs page on their site, Thunderbird and Firefox are to remain free as they are today. Below is the link that should show the Q&A where I got this info. http://www.mozilla.org/reorganization/#q21[^]
John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
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[ I may just have missed something ] Did they say they would be selling FireFox itself?
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler :: flickr Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
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I looked on Mozilla.org. According to a FAQs page on their site, Thunderbird and Firefox are to remain free as they are today. Below is the link that should show the Q&A where I got this info. http://www.mozilla.org/reorganization/#q21[^]
John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
bneacetp wrote: Thunderbird and Firefox are to remain free as they are today So then they start the next browser named [?] based on the previous work of others and sell it. Nothing wrong with making money but if and when they do they need to contribute back to those that got it there. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
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bneacetp wrote: Thunderbird and Firefox are to remain free as they are today So then they start the next browser named [?] based on the previous work of others and sell it. Nothing wrong with making money but if and when they do they need to contribute back to those that got it there. ed ~"Watch your thoughts; they become your words. Watch your words they become your actions. Watch your actions; they become your habits. Watch your habits; they become your character. Watch your character; it becomes your destiny." -Frank Outlaw.
This doesn't sound like it at all: "But we have to be organized in such a way to move forward once the opportunities arise that we want to take advantage of," Baker says. Mozilla gets many requests from companies who want to build applications on top of Firefox, or otherwise want to know how to get in on the action. "These questions were not being properly addressed, but now we'll have greater action of freedom and response." The subsidiary "lets us deal with revenue, talk about revenue and think about it in a setting broader than a nonprofit allowed." It sounds like there are probably some companies that want to license the code without all the open source entanglements. But that's just my take on it.
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I wish this whole debate was not ruled by such extreme attitudes. We would get a lot more done and figured out if we didn't fall back on hyperbole, religion and dissing the other side. I don't see this for-profit move as taking advantage of contributors. regards, Paul Watson South Africa PMW Photography Gary Kirkham wrote: The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the cliché...Star Trek had it in spades.
Paul Watson wrote: I don't see this for-profit move as taking advantage of contributors Really? Are you being facetious? It's pretty much the websters definition of "taking advantage"
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
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The irony in this is just astounding: FireFox goes for-profit[^] I'm laughing my you know what off over this one. Open source developers yet again being played for the suckers that they are, contributing probably billions of dollars of developer time and getting nothing in return while someone else profits. I wish Lauren were around to razz over this one...wait...maybe she is? ;)
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
Wow. I'm stunned. What's next, websites made popular by heavy reader/user involvement displaying ads? Oh, wait... Yeah, we live in the real world, where people need to eat and bandwidth costs money. I'd hardly expect you to forget this, John.
You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale...
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Wow. I'm stunned. What's next, websites made popular by heavy reader/user involvement displaying ads? Oh, wait... Yeah, we live in the real world, where people need to eat and bandwidth costs money. I'd hardly expect you to forget this, John.
You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale...
Boy people sure got a wierd spin on my post. I am and have always been a hard core capitalist. I think free software is a real threat to the software industry and I was gleeful to see my opinion confirmed that such a big open source free application is finding it hard to continue under the free software option.
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."