Boy, that's all??? Windows XP Facts...

David Wulff

I love the command prompt one. :laugh: Back to Beatress's comment briefly, the quality argument makes no sense to me. This past week I have had to install and set up for basic web access Fedora Core 4, FreeBSD 6 B2, SuSE 10 and Ubuntu 5.04 and not one of them installed smoothly or runs as responsively as Windows XP on the same hardware. The installations for some of them were completely illogical and required that you had knowledge of Linux based systems beforehand. The same can't be said for the Windows installers which, whilst ugly, are straightforward to use. (The Vista installer is a big step forward IMO, and that's still in beta.)

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Prakash Nadar

yep, you get the salary after subtracting all those costs. ;)

-prakash

Luis Alonso Ramos

With all that, testers, marketing and so on, the Windows XP project easily was above 1 billio :wtf: I'm searching for actual figures on the web, but I can't seem to find anything. -- LuisR

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Jeremy Falcon

David Wulff wrote: runs as responsively as Windows XP on the same hardware. You talking about the installations only? I've never used FreeBSD 6.x yet, but I can certainly guarantee I'll take a FBSD box over Windows for my servers any day of the week. David Wulff wrote: The installations for some of them were completely illogical and required that you had knowledge of Linux based systems beforehand. I don't use Linux much these days, but I still use the Unix-like ones (FBSD). There's nothing illogical about the setup. Also, they're in a different market than Windows. Unix is an OS designed by pros for pros. Windows is designed for the average moron. So of course I'd expect a little bit of understanding would be required to get it going. In all fairness, I do think the installation to FBSD could be revamped, but it works well and that does nothing to detour me from using the OS. Jeremy Falcon

Jeremy Falcon

Jack Squirrel wrote: So tell the Linux/FreeBSD hippies to take a Biz 101 course, come up with a half decent marketing campaign, and then you won't have to worry about Mickey's marketing... Linux is a different story, but FreeBSD is not targeted for the average user/desktop market. And, they do have a strong place in the server market already. So, at least put some facts behind your insults. ;P Btw, MS would be more of a "hippy" than BSD. BSD was around way before MS and plenty of standards, etc. set already (stuff that worked). Jeremy Falcon

code frog 0

Right you are! I was thinking of my other question I asked when I typed that.:doh:

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David Wulff

Jeremy Falcon wrote: You talking about the installations only? No, in use too. I'm not talking about the server installations though, I'm talking the 'standard' client ones. Programs and even dialog boxes are slow to load, though once loaded performance is fine. With XP it's pretty much instant. Jeremy Falcon wrote: I don't use Linux much these days, but I still use the Unix-like ones (FBSD). There's nothing illogical about the setup. Also, they're in a different market than Windows. Unix is an OS designed by pros for pros. Windows is designed for the average moron. So of course I'd expect a little bit of understanding would be required to get it going. Fedora Core 4 was pushed, from what I have seen of it, as a replacement home user operating system. The installation was probably the best of the four distributions I mentioned, but some parts of it still had me thinking "what should I do here?" For example, the disk partitioning.

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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

hey a$$hole, you're assuming an awful lot about me. You neither know me nor my experience. Fact is I've been using windows (and programming for windows) since before you were in diapers and I've shipped plenty of products. And no, I don't work for M$ nor do I have a lovefest for them. Fact is there is plenty to dislike about windows and M$, but for Roger to say that M$ has never shipped a working product is pure anit-M$ bull-effing-sheeeeit! Yeah, Roger is entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion of his opinion and of a$$holes like you. So F U C K O F F!

Long Gone

Lesson 1: Not all people are men. I know that it comes as a suprise to you but sometimes the best "man" for the job is a woman. That's 82,598,400 man person hours, 3,441,600 man person days, or 9,429 man person years! This would be a good start. P.S. – for all you anal retentive folks out there tempted to comment on my spelling or grammar save your energy. I don’t care. Don't shoot! I'm only the piano player messenger. Beatress

Long Gone

ahz wrote: hey a$$hole, you're assuming an awful lot about me. You neither know me nor my experience. Did you get up and find your bed wet again this morning? Your right I was just deducing from what you were saying. You were sounding like a rank ameture. ahz wrote: Fact is I've been using windows (and programming for windows) since before you were in diapers Very presumptious on your part. Just how old are you? ahz wrote: I've shipped plenty of products Just didn't sound like you have any experience from your post. ahz wrote: I don't work for M$ Sounds like you should. ahz wrote: nor do I have a lovefest for them Sounded like you did. ahz wrote: Fact is there is plenty to dislike about windows and M$, but for Roger to say that M$ has never shipped a working product is pure anit-M$ bull-effing-sheeeeit! I don't want to speak for Rodger but I would wadger a bet he was saying that with toung in cheek. A point you obviously have missed. Not all of us are as anal as you are. Sometimes the the butt of our jokes (that was an attempt at a pun so don't take it personally) are the people or things we love or in this case love to hate. ahz wrote: Yeah, Roger is entitled to his opinion, and I'm entitled to my opinion of his opinion and of a$$holes like you. That's BitchyA$$hole to you. ahz wrote: So F U C K O F F! In civilized company we say "F^ck off please". It is not polite to SHOUT! P.S. – for all you anal retentive folks out there tempted to comment on my spelling or grammar save your energy. I don’t care. Don't shoot! I'm only the piano player messenger. Beatress

code frog 0

I'll give you that the installer can be more complex because it has choices. The reason being is that Linux *can* be a desktop or server. If you are a server admin you want a lot of control of partitioning. Disk druid has a decent auto-partition but if you are an admin and you are going to be setting up different shares for SAMBA, Web, Etc you want that control on partitions. I've been using Linux for enterprise for a while and I really like it. As a desktop it's just different. It's not wrong and I love working in it when I can. It's a nice change of pace. I don't believe you can in any way compare Linux to Windows XP though. There's just not an apples->apples comparison. Linux is totally awesome and I love having it. Windows XP has it's issues but it has me totally jazzed about Vista (Stupid name by the way. Longhorn was actually cool.). The thing that gets me is that everyone thinks they can review an operating system from just one experience. Most people install Linux with this, "I'm just going to compare it to Windows attitude" but they don't have a real need to use Linux. You simply cannot do that. It's like test driving a fighter plane that you are going to use to mow your lawn. If you load Linux do your research. Understand the strengths and weaknesses of the platform. Identify ahead of time the features you are after. Then read up on the install. Don't compare the XP install with Linux. You cannot. That's like comparing development in C++ directly against C#. You just cannot do that. Both languages are similar but vastly different and they were made with different ideas in mind. Linux is a tool. Windows is an experience. Linux allows you to install only the tools you need. Windows offers a lot of tools out of the box and hopes to make your life more fun by doing so. Just totally different all the way around. - Rex

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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

ah, i see, another man-hating feminazi-bitch-witch! wait, you used the word "person" which contains the male-oriented word-part "son", so shouldn't you say "perpeople"? ignorant bitch, the word "man" as used by David means "people"!

David Wulff

Lesson 2: Man does not always equal male. Mankind is defined as "all of the inhabitants of the earth". The word woman taken from it's Old English meaning is simply 'female man', so without the prefix it is still perfectly valid. Man is still a gender-neutral term depending on context. Even homo, our biological genus, is latin for man, and human taken from humanus is its plural. (Just in case you wanted to say humankind is not the same as mankind.) Just because PC culture is trying franctically to sex every word we use doesn't change any of that.

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Jeremy Falcon

David Wulff wrote: Fedora Core 4 was pushed, from what I have seen of it, as a replacement home user operating system. The installation was probably the best of the four distributions I mentioned, but some parts of it still had me thinking "what should I do here?" For example, the disk partitioning. I still think Linux has a bit to go before it's a prime desktop os/replacement for Windows. But, thanks to industry support, it's got a good chance at it. Funny enough though, the average end-user will be left with questions/moments too when installing Windows. So, I don't think that should be the only indication. Last version of RedHat I ever used was 5.x (I'm an old timer). I had some issues with using it in a server environment then, so I'm curious to know what you think of it. Granted, I'm sticking with FreeBSD, but inquiring minds want to know. :) Jeremy Falcon