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just got back from a one week kayaking tour on small to medium lakes and rivers. eventhough the weather conditions were mostly rough, with rain and storm, it was great fun. for those interested, I drove a dagger exodus while my girlfriend was riding a necky looksha lv. both performed well eventhough packed to the brim. but the highlight of the tour was a test day in a north-shore buccaneer, a neat and clean sea kayak. :cool: whow, what a ride. hope I can make it and get one of those (or a vivian expedition kayak) next year... here some pix: clickety[^] enjoy! /matthias
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just got back from a one week kayaking tour on small to medium lakes and rivers. eventhough the weather conditions were mostly rough, with rain and storm, it was great fun. for those interested, I drove a dagger exodus while my girlfriend was riding a necky looksha lv. both performed well eventhough packed to the brim. but the highlight of the tour was a test day in a north-shore buccaneer, a neat and clean sea kayak. :cool: whow, what a ride. hope I can make it and get one of those (or a vivian expedition kayak) next year... here some pix: clickety[^] enjoy! /matthias
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[Douglas Adams]Looks great. How do you tell a canoe apart from a kayak? I would call what you are in in the photos a canoe, not a kayak. I was checking definitions and it seems quite muddled as most definitions say that a kayak is a decked/covered "canoe" except in the case of racing-canoes, which are covered, but are canoes and not kayaks. I once went on a trip down the Orange River here in South Africa and we used similar boats to yours but the leaders called them canoes too. Maybe it is more a regional thing? To me, this is a kayak. Just curious :) regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Nice pictures you have taken there.:) Have you ever thought of crocs appearing in those swampy areas? :~ Btw, the duck seems to be taking a free ride. :laugh: Weiye Chen Life is hard, yet we are made of flesh...
Weiye Chen wrote: Have you ever thought of crocs appearing in those swampy areas? No crocs in northern germany. a swan is as dangerous as it gets here ;) Weiye Chen wrote: Btw, the duck seems to be taking a free ride. The duck actually jumped off when we decided to move on. But it surely was a laugh. /matthias
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Nice tour! Where were you? Northern Germany? Good music: In my rosary[^]
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Where were you? Northern Germany? Yes, around the Müritz lake. North-East Germany. I've never been there bevore and found it amazing. I hardly believed that it is Germany ;) /matthias
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Looks great. How do you tell a canoe apart from a kayak? I would call what you are in in the photos a canoe, not a kayak. I was checking definitions and it seems quite muddled as most definitions say that a kayak is a decked/covered "canoe" except in the case of racing-canoes, which are covered, but are canoes and not kayaks. I once went on a trip down the Orange River here in South Africa and we used similar boats to yours but the leaders called them canoes too. Maybe it is more a regional thing? To me, this is a kayak. Just curious :) regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote: How do you tell a canoe apart from a kayak? A kayak will have a duck standing behind it. :-D Weiye Chen Life is hard, yet we are made of flesh...
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Looks great. How do you tell a canoe apart from a kayak? I would call what you are in in the photos a canoe, not a kayak. I was checking definitions and it seems quite muddled as most definitions say that a kayak is a decked/covered "canoe" except in the case of racing-canoes, which are covered, but are canoes and not kayaks. I once went on a trip down the Orange River here in South Africa and we used similar boats to yours but the leaders called them canoes too. Maybe it is more a regional thing? To me, this is a kayak. Just curious :) regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
hi paul, Paul Watson wrote: To me, this is a kayak. yes, this is a whitewater kayak. ASAIC a kayak is everything with a closed deck. and there are four major types: whitewater (pretty short, flexible kayaks), touring kayaks (like the degger or the looksha mentioned in my previous post), sea kayaks (narrow, very long kayaks which are probably closest to the ancient inuit-kayak) and racing kayaks, which are sometimes calles sit-on-tops. They don't have a deck at all and it looks (and feels) pretty much like paddling a 10 cm wide surfboard. If you are not a very experienced paddler already, you're not going to make it very far without capsizing ;P I've seen some recreational kayaks though, which had a semi-open deck, but these are just rare. But I'm just an amateur and maybe somebody knows better ;) regards! /matthias
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just got back from a one week kayaking tour on small to medium lakes and rivers. eventhough the weather conditions were mostly rough, with rain and storm, it was great fun. for those interested, I drove a dagger exodus while my girlfriend was riding a necky looksha lv. both performed well eventhough packed to the brim. but the highlight of the tour was a test day in a north-shore buccaneer, a neat and clean sea kayak. :cool: whow, what a ride. hope I can make it and get one of those (or a vivian expedition kayak) next year... here some pix: clickety[^] enjoy! /matthias
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Paul Watson wrote: How do you tell a canoe apart from a kayak? A kayak will have a duck standing behind it. :-D Weiye Chen Life is hard, yet we are made of flesh...
:laugh::laugh::laugh: /matthias
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Vivekuniq wrote: could u find any PIRANAAAA negative, no piranha in northern germany. only lazy ducks hitch-hiking the lakes ;) /matthias
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Looks great. How do you tell a canoe apart from a kayak? I would call what you are in in the photos a canoe, not a kayak. I was checking definitions and it seems quite muddled as most definitions say that a kayak is a decked/covered "canoe" except in the case of racing-canoes, which are covered, but are canoes and not kayaks. I once went on a trip down the Orange River here in South Africa and we used similar boats to yours but the leaders called them canoes too. Maybe it is more a regional thing? To me, this is a kayak. Just curious :) regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
The definition I was taught way back when in the boy scouts was that the difference between a kayak and a canoe is that you sit in a kayak and you kneel in a canoe (the traditional canoe will have rather high seats built into them, but most experienced whitewater canoers will tell you that if you sit on the seats your center of gravity will be too high and you'll end up in the water). Not sure how true this difference is in real life, but it seemed to make sense at the time.
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just got back from a one week kayaking tour on small to medium lakes and rivers. eventhough the weather conditions were mostly rough, with rain and storm, it was great fun. for those interested, I drove a dagger exodus while my girlfriend was riding a necky looksha lv. both performed well eventhough packed to the brim. but the highlight of the tour was a test day in a north-shore buccaneer, a neat and clean sea kayak. :cool: whow, what a ride. hope I can make it and get one of those (or a vivian expedition kayak) next year... here some pix: clickety[^] enjoy! /matthias
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[Douglas Adams]Very nice! Looks like a fun trip. I went kayaking a few months ago for the first time. Definitely something I will be doing again. I'm waiting for the weather to get a little cooler. BW
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Looks great. How do you tell a canoe apart from a kayak? I would call what you are in in the photos a canoe, not a kayak. I was checking definitions and it seems quite muddled as most definitions say that a kayak is a decked/covered "canoe" except in the case of racing-canoes, which are covered, but are canoes and not kayaks. I once went on a trip down the Orange River here in South Africa and we used similar boats to yours but the leaders called them canoes too. Maybe it is more a regional thing? To me, this is a kayak. Just curious :) regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
It's absolutely not regional and coming from the country that invented both I can tell you that there is no mystery that I've ever heard of, a canoe is open, a Kayak is sealed over the top and optionally around the person running it with a form fitting waterproof "skirt" that seals the water completely out of the inside of the kayak even if you do a roll over. A canoe is suitable for very mild conditions only with low waves, a kayak can go just about anywhere that you can physically paddle it and keep moving. A kayak always uses a single paddle with blades at both ends for alternating strokes, a canoe uses a paddle with a single blade at one end which you can alternate or do what is known as a "J" stroke so that you can paddle on one side only but go straight. I've owned and used both and a kayak versus a canoe is like a sportscar versus a minivan. You fly in a kayak, but a canoe is better for carrying "stuff" in like fishing gear, camping equipment etc. You can load a *lot* of stuff in a canoe.
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It's absolutely not regional and coming from the country that invented both I can tell you that there is no mystery that I've ever heard of, a canoe is open, a Kayak is sealed over the top and optionally around the person running it with a form fitting waterproof "skirt" that seals the water completely out of the inside of the kayak even if you do a roll over. A canoe is suitable for very mild conditions only with low waves, a kayak can go just about anywhere that you can physically paddle it and keep moving. A kayak always uses a single paddle with blades at both ends for alternating strokes, a canoe uses a paddle with a single blade at one end which you can alternate or do what is known as a "J" stroke so that you can paddle on one side only but go straight. I've owned and used both and a kayak versus a canoe is like a sportscar versus a minivan. You fly in a kayak, but a canoe is better for carrying "stuff" in like fishing gear, camping equipment etc. You can load a *lot* of stuff in a canoe.
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
I would not be so sure it is not regional, John, even if your country invented both. We have a world famous water event here in South Africa called the Dusi Canoe Marathon. The participants use racing canoes which as you can see are covered and look nothing like the minivan canoes. I have used canoes like that and they are fast, just like kayaks. Unstable too, they only work well when being driven fast through the water. I disliked fixing the cover in place as I did not have the skills to right myself after a roll. I'd say they are more what you call kayaks than what you call canoes. But, they are called racing canoes here and the event is called the Dusi Canoe Marathon, not the Dusi Kayak Marathon. I am not saying you are wrong about what a canoe and what a kayak is but there is regional confusion. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Paul Watson wrote: How do you tell a canoe apart from a kayak? A kayak will have a duck standing behind it. :-D Weiye Chen Life is hard, yet we are made of flesh...
Weiye Chen wrote: A kayak will have a duck standing behind it. What if there is a road-runner behind it or a Kestrel? Kestrels get very curious. If a blue heron stands behind it does it make it a yacht? ;P _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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It's absolutely not regional and coming from the country that invented both I can tell you that there is no mystery that I've ever heard of, a canoe is open, a Kayak is sealed over the top and optionally around the person running it with a form fitting waterproof "skirt" that seals the water completely out of the inside of the kayak even if you do a roll over. A canoe is suitable for very mild conditions only with low waves, a kayak can go just about anywhere that you can physically paddle it and keep moving. A kayak always uses a single paddle with blades at both ends for alternating strokes, a canoe uses a paddle with a single blade at one end which you can alternate or do what is known as a "J" stroke so that you can paddle on one side only but go straight. I've owned and used both and a kayak versus a canoe is like a sportscar versus a minivan. You fly in a kayak, but a canoe is better for carrying "stuff" in like fishing gear, camping equipment etc. You can load a *lot* of stuff in a canoe.
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
John Cardinal wrote: and coming from the country that invented both I believe the canoe is considered co-invented as the canoe style boats were invented in many countries and it is unclear if they were transferred via trade or simply invented in parallel. Since it is a fairly simple design, the dugout canoe originated in many parts of the world with no clear origin, the planked canoe design came with civilization long after the first canoes. The kayak is specific to North America, specifically the Arctic regions of North America and Greenland. With an official qualifying originator people as the Inuit. I was just reading a bit from the canoe association of america, and there is a "slalom canoe" has a spraydeck like a kayak, but is still considered a canoe. And to make matters worse, canoe polo is played exclusively with kayaks. :laugh: _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I would not be so sure it is not regional, John, even if your country invented both. We have a world famous water event here in South Africa called the Dusi Canoe Marathon. The participants use racing canoes which as you can see are covered and look nothing like the minivan canoes. I have used canoes like that and they are fast, just like kayaks. Unstable too, they only work well when being driven fast through the water. I disliked fixing the cover in place as I did not have the skills to right myself after a roll. I'd say they are more what you call kayaks than what you call canoes. But, they are called racing canoes here and the event is called the Dusi Canoe Marathon, not the Dusi Kayak Marathon. I am not saying you are wrong about what a canoe and what a kayak is but there is regional confusion. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
What I meant by it not being regional is I guess that it doesn't matter what region you are in or call it, there is only one correct name for each type of watercraft despite what people may mistakenly call them. It's like saying Kangaroos can be called Leopards in Canada because it's a "regional" thing. ;P
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
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What I meant by it not being regional is I guess that it doesn't matter what region you are in or call it, there is only one correct name for each type of watercraft despite what people may mistakenly call them. It's like saying Kangaroos can be called Leopards in Canada because it's a "regional" thing. ;P
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
Well obviously that, kangaroo to leopard, is stretching it a bit far. The difference between a kayak and a canoe is minimal to most people. And many fruits, animals, vegetables, rocks and other objects have different names in different parts of the world. Plus in this case it is a world renowned event calling kayaks, canoes. Not just some odd backwater group of hillbillies. Anyway. Bottom line is what I know as a canoe is really a kayak. I'll try and change the regional fault :) regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Well obviously that, kangaroo to leopard, is stretching it a bit far. The difference between a kayak and a canoe is minimal to most people. And many fruits, animals, vegetables, rocks and other objects have different names in different parts of the world. Plus in this case it is a world renowned event calling kayaks, canoes. Not just some odd backwater group of hillbillies. Anyway. Bottom line is what I know as a canoe is really a kayak. I'll try and change the regional fault :) regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote: Well obviously that, kangaroo to leopard, is stretching it a bit far. To most Canadians it would be about exactly that much of a stretch which is why I used the example. Paul Watson wrote: Not just some odd backwater group of hillbillies :laugh: Well, having never heard of it before I just assumed... ;P
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
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It's absolutely not regional and coming from the country that invented both I can tell you that there is no mystery that I've ever heard of, a canoe is open, a Kayak is sealed over the top and optionally around the person running it with a form fitting waterproof "skirt" that seals the water completely out of the inside of the kayak even if you do a roll over. A canoe is suitable for very mild conditions only with low waves, a kayak can go just about anywhere that you can physically paddle it and keep moving. A kayak always uses a single paddle with blades at both ends for alternating strokes, a canoe uses a paddle with a single blade at one end which you can alternate or do what is known as a "J" stroke so that you can paddle on one side only but go straight. I've owned and used both and a kayak versus a canoe is like a sportscar versus a minivan. You fly in a kayak, but a canoe is better for carrying "stuff" in like fishing gear, camping equipment etc. You can load a *lot* of stuff in a canoe.
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
John, I don't think you know as much as you profess to about the difference between a kayak and a canoe. The major difference is that kayak is a five letter palidrome, while canoe isn't. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies The most LinkedIn CPian (that I know of anyhow) :-)
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John, I don't think you know as much as you profess to about the difference between a kayak and a canoe. The major difference is that kayak is a five letter palidrome, while canoe isn't. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies The most LinkedIn CPian (that I know of anyhow) :-)
Ahh..that's where your wrong oddly enough -- if I were to pull my pants down you would see that tatooed on my left cheek is the exact phrase: ""Kayak" is a five letter palindrome..." whilst on my right cheek can be observed the phrase: "..."Canoe" is not". (Yes, the N is bold, I anticipated that many would mis-spell "palindrome" and wanted it to serve as a reminder)
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
