Gas Prices
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:mad::mad: There's always excuses to raise it... ... she said you are the perfect stranger she said baby let's keep it like this... Tunnel of Love, Dire Straits.
Well, you've gotta admit - pipelines and refineries going offline has to be one of the better excuses...
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Yeepee!! Go up, go up!! I'm super happy with this petrol price increase. In fact I have some kind of weird and very painfull sickness, akin to an allergy to car pollution. I finally understdood 1 year ago and I'm still adjusting/preparing for a new life in the country. Anyway, I hope this would push faster in the direction of alternative to petrol. Today you could already buy a Toyota prius (which has a lower maintenance BTW), apparently japanese are coming with a few other innovation in the next few years as well. And shame on general motors which has a functional fully electric car of which all users were very happy of, and removed it from its product line!
Maybe because noone would buy it. Imainge being halfway to work and the battery goes flat or getting to work and not being able to plug it in because your boss doesn't want to pay for all the electricity. Nice idea but not practical yet :( The tigress is here :-D
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http://www.grandrapidsgasprices.com/[^] :mad::mad::mad: Going up to 3.48 today
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You're happy with gas prices going up? I guess everyone has their opinion. In Atlanta, we are at an 8 day level of reserves. The two major pipelines that supply the region are down, both come out of Miss. One has damage, neither has power. Say what you want about prices, but there is a serious SUPPLY issue in this country. I'll pay $3 or $4 if that is the market price, but to have silly decisions that limit our production capacity - well that is just stupid. When there is no gas *suddenly*, everyone is going to get hot. C. Gilley Will program for food... Whoever said children were cheaper by the dozen... lied.
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Maybe because noone would buy it. Imainge being halfway to work and the battery goes flat or getting to work and not being able to plug it in because your boss doesn't want to pay for all the electricity. Nice idea but not practical yet :( The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: Maybe because noone would buy it. :confused: woudl buy one? the Toyota Prius has no plus socket! and for the GM car, all users seemed very happy.... but yeah, it only had about 200Miles autonomy and a few hours to recharge...
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Maybe because noone would buy it. Imainge being halfway to work and the battery goes flat or getting to work and not being able to plug it in because your boss doesn't want to pay for all the electricity. Nice idea but not practical yet :( The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: Imainge being halfway to work and the battery goes flat or getting to work and not being able to plug it in because your boss doesn't want to pay for all the electricity. The Prius is an hybrid car, and you cannot run out of electricity (even if something fails, you still have a normal gasoline car in your hands). Fuel economy comes from the electrical motor being used at low speed, by engine being shutdown when the car does not move, and by recuperation of electrical power when braking. ~RaGE();
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Well, you've gotta admit - pipelines and refineries going offline has to be one of the better excuses...
Maybe this time is totally justified but others seems to be excuses. Definitely, when there'll be serious alternative that uses clean energy ... X| all smells like rubbish and they are putting at first the interest of big compamies... X| X| ... she said you are the perfect stranger she said baby let's keep it like this... Tunnel of Love, Dire Straits.
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Trollslayer wrote: Imainge being halfway to work and the battery goes flat or getting to work and not being able to plug it in because your boss doesn't want to pay for all the electricity. The Prius is an hybrid car, and you cannot run out of electricity (even if something fails, you still have a normal gasoline car in your hands). Fuel economy comes from the electrical motor being used at low speed, by engine being shutdown when the car does not move, and by recuperation of electrical power when braking. ~RaGE();
I think she was referring to GM electric cars[^], not the the Prius.
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Yeepee!! Go up, go up!! I'm super happy with this petrol price increase. In fact I have some kind of weird and very painfull sickness, akin to an allergy to car pollution. I finally understdood 1 year ago and I'm still adjusting/preparing for a new life in the country. Anyway, I hope this would push faster in the direction of alternative to petrol. Today you could already buy a Toyota prius (which has a lower maintenance BTW), apparently japanese are coming with a few other innovation in the next few years as well. And shame on general motors which has a functional fully electric car of which all users were very happy of, and removed it from its product line!
While I'm in total support of developing alternatives, especially clean alternatives to petrol, the reason the oil prices are going up is not from lack of supply of crude. It's from lack of refining capacity. There are two reasons for this: greed and the "not in my backyard" syndrome. Everyone is refusing to have refineries built in their communities which, of course, feeds into the oil companies desire for higher prices. Oil companies have gotten "smart" and have stopped even trying to build refineries, which feeds the greed. So is this going to cause more research and development into and of energy alternatives? In a word: NO!
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Maybe because noone would buy it. Imainge being halfway to work and the battery goes flat or getting to work and not being able to plug it in because your boss doesn't want to pay for all the electricity. Nice idea but not practical yet :( The tigress is here :-D
solar panels made from nanotubes would solve those problems.
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Even though I am a car owner, I am not unhappy of the gas prices going up. 1- Less car on the roads. 2- Encourage R&D of alternate energy sources for transportation. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
Michel Prévost wrote: I am not unhappy of the gas prices going up. You've got to be kidding me, right? You would gladly pay 3 times as much for gas just so there are "Less cars on the road" and to "encourage R&D of alternate energy". Do you honestly believe that by our paying more for gas that is somehow going to motivate oil and car production companies to rush off and find alternative solutions? People have been crying for decades about alternative fuel solutions, and what have they provided us? Nothing. When we were all waiting in lines miles long for fuel in the 70s and 80s and people cried - "There's got to be a better way!", what did they give us??? N-O-T-H-I-N-G. And yet here you are thinking that by paying those same useless persons even more money, that this will change things? And how, pray tell, exactly, do you foresee people buying the *new* cars that use these alternatives? Especially since we're all going to have to pay 3 times as much for the same fuel we were buying two days ago, just to get to work??? And if everyone wants an alternative fuel car, then selling my old car to purchase a new one, is kind of, well, pointless ... isn't it. My point is simple: If the oil companies see we're "willing" to pay more for gas, then the price will never come down. We're not going to solve traffic congestion, pollution nor find an alternative fuel solution by paying even more for gas!. What will happen is people will be forced to spend less on other things (e.g., like clothes, food, entertainment ...) You know, those things that make our economy stronger ... just so they can get to work ... because we have to work. More small businesses will suffer; larger business will have to cut back even further and more and more people will become jobless ... yet you're happy to pay more for gas ... No Michel, you shouldn't be happy at all ... you should be disgusted, because you and everyone else are just throwing your hard earned money out the window; and trust me, someone "at the top" is getting very, very rich over all of this; and they don't care in the least what you think, feel or pay, because it's not hurting them; and nothing is going to change because of it.
:..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
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http://www.grandrapidsgasprices.com/[^] :mad::mad::mad: Going up to 3.48 today
Found on Bash.org [erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
I'm not surprised at all. I don't know how many people have been keeping track of Hurricane Katrina, but New Orleans counts for 25% of domestic oil production. Since the whole city is out for the count right now, a price increase is inevitable. Jeremy Falcon
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http://www.grandrapidsgasprices.com/[^] :mad::mad::mad: Going up to 3.48 today
Found on Bash.org [erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
I'd say it's nice to see Americans starting to pay what much of the rest of the world has been paying for years except that our gas prices are also going up as well. :mad:
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
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Yeepee!! Go up, go up!! I'm super happy with this petrol price increase. In fact I have some kind of weird and very painfull sickness, akin to an allergy to car pollution. I finally understdood 1 year ago and I'm still adjusting/preparing for a new life in the country. Anyway, I hope this would push faster in the direction of alternative to petrol. Today you could already buy a Toyota prius (which has a lower maintenance BTW), apparently japanese are coming with a few other innovation in the next few years as well. And shame on general motors which has a functional fully electric car of which all users were very happy of, and removed it from its product line!
Unfortunately the dirty little secret of hybrid cars is that they are *not* the most fuel efficent automobiles on the market. A small car with a fuel efficient modern diesel engine gets *far* better mileage than any hybrid on the market today for a hell of a lot less money. Don't expect leadership from American auto makers, everyone seems content to think that they don't need to provide it because they are only supposed to respond to what customers want, not offer new alternatives that are risky.
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
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http://www.grandrapidsgasprices.com/[^] :mad::mad::mad: Going up to 3.48 today
Found on Bash.org [erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
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http://www.grandrapidsgasprices.com/[^] :mad::mad::mad: Going up to 3.48 today
Found on Bash.org [erno] hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.
That's dollars per gallon, I presume? Have you ever been to the UK? We're currently paying upwards of 90 pence per litre for our petrol That works out at $1.62 / litre which is $6.13 per gallon So stop complaining ;P (Most of the cost of petrol for us goes in Tax, btw) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
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Michel Prévost wrote: I am not unhappy of the gas prices going up. You've got to be kidding me, right? You would gladly pay 3 times as much for gas just so there are "Less cars on the road" and to "encourage R&D of alternate energy". Do you honestly believe that by our paying more for gas that is somehow going to motivate oil and car production companies to rush off and find alternative solutions? People have been crying for decades about alternative fuel solutions, and what have they provided us? Nothing. When we were all waiting in lines miles long for fuel in the 70s and 80s and people cried - "There's got to be a better way!", what did they give us??? N-O-T-H-I-N-G. And yet here you are thinking that by paying those same useless persons even more money, that this will change things? And how, pray tell, exactly, do you foresee people buying the *new* cars that use these alternatives? Especially since we're all going to have to pay 3 times as much for the same fuel we were buying two days ago, just to get to work??? And if everyone wants an alternative fuel car, then selling my old car to purchase a new one, is kind of, well, pointless ... isn't it. My point is simple: If the oil companies see we're "willing" to pay more for gas, then the price will never come down. We're not going to solve traffic congestion, pollution nor find an alternative fuel solution by paying even more for gas!. What will happen is people will be forced to spend less on other things (e.g., like clothes, food, entertainment ...) You know, those things that make our economy stronger ... just so they can get to work ... because we have to work. More small businesses will suffer; larger business will have to cut back even further and more and more people will become jobless ... yet you're happy to pay more for gas ... No Michel, you shouldn't be happy at all ... you should be disgusted, because you and everyone else are just throwing your hard earned money out the window; and trust me, someone "at the top" is getting very, very rich over all of this; and they don't care in the least what you think, feel or pay, because it's not hurting them; and nothing is going to change because of it.
:..::. Douglas H. Troy ::..
Fold with us|Development Blogging<Douglas Troy wrote: You would gladly pay 3 times as much for gas just so there are "Less cars on the road" and to "encourage R&D of alternate energy". Yes I would, if pushed the governments to invest in the development of other energy sources, so we can free ourselves of the oil companies cartel. Douglas Troy wrote: Do you honestly believe that by our paying more for gas that is somehow going to motivate oil and car production companies to rush off and find alternative solutions? Not the oil companies, but other authorities like government. The problem with the US government, is that they won't do it, because your president would prefer to invade an oil-producing country instead. Douglas Troy wrote: and trust me, someone "at the top" is getting very, very rich over all of this Another reason to encourage research of alternate energy sources. Douglas Troy wrote: No Michel, you shouldn't be happy at all ... Oh yes, I am, for the same reason stated above.:zzz: Douglas Troy wrote: And if everyone wants an alternative fuel car, then selling my old car to purchase a new one, is kind of, well, pointless ... isn't it. You could sell it to a museum. And don't be too emotional about it. -------- "I say no to drugs, but they don't listen." - Marilyn Manson
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That's dollars per gallon, I presume? Have you ever been to the UK? We're currently paying upwards of 90 pence per litre for our petrol That works out at $1.62 / litre which is $6.13 per gallon So stop complaining ;P (Most of the cost of petrol for us goes in Tax, btw) -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!
benjymous wrote: (Most of the cost of petrol for us goes in Tax, btw) Ah. So, it goes to pay for things like roads and such? Awww... :rolleyes:
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benjymous wrote: (Most of the cost of petrol for us goes in Tax, btw) Ah. So, it goes to pay for things like roads and such? Awww... :rolleyes:
Shog9 wrote: Ah. So, it goes to pay for things like roads and such? Awww... No. We've got a 'road tax' for that. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Unfortunately the dirty little secret of hybrid cars is that they are *not* the most fuel efficent automobiles on the market. A small car with a fuel efficient modern diesel engine gets *far* better mileage than any hybrid on the market today for a hell of a lot less money. Don't expect leadership from American auto makers, everyone seems content to think that they don't need to provide it because they are only supposed to respond to what customers want, not offer new alternatives that are risky.
"A preoccupation with the next world pretty clearly signals an inability to cope credibly with this one."
John Cardinal wrote: A small car with a fuel efficient modern diesel engine gets *far* better mileage than any hybrid on the market today for a hell of a lot less money. A hybrid diesel would make even more. Hybrid is not a bad idea, it is simply employed now to keep the gasoline market in place for a longer period of time. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Trollslayer wrote: Imainge being halfway to work and the battery goes flat or getting to work and not being able to plug it in because your boss doesn't want to pay for all the electricity. The Prius is an hybrid car, and you cannot run out of electricity (even if something fails, you still have a normal gasoline car in your hands). Fuel economy comes from the electrical motor being used at low speed, by engine being shutdown when the car does not move, and by recuperation of electrical power when braking. ~RaGE();
Rage wrote: Fuel economy comes from the electrical motor being used at low speed Additionally the electricity is used to make short term adjustments at all speeds. If you hit a slight incline at 55mph in cruise normally your gasoline engine increases output to compensate for the incline, but doesn't gain anything back on the other side. The electric motor can do 10-35hp (depending on hybrid model -- actually 135hp on one truck, but that is the exception) speed adjustments while in cruise, and capture the descent of the hill from gravity back into the electrical system. which means you discharge on the upside, recharge on the downside, you keep a steady fuel economy as if the road were flat. Obviously there are exceptions, tall mountains and steep inclines, but what goes up, must come down, so you get something back that would otherwise be lost in a standard gasoline vehicle. I get 48mpg going round-trip to cloudcroft with a an elevation delta of about 4500ft in 20miles, and 67mpg round-trip to Ruidoso which is an elevation delta of 2200ft in 48.3miles. The ruidoso trip is so much better, because the ride is not as steep, so mileage up does not drop under 25mpg, but the entire trip down is well above 120mpg you coast most of the way. A prius would get much better gas mileage than even mine. The hybrid vehicles use the electrical systems at a wide variety of times, either idling down the gasoline or turning it off depending on the vehicle. My only complaint is coming down Karr canyon which is that same drop but at half the distance, shifting to low does not impede the transmission system, the vehicle just coasts down, so you must ride the brakes. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)