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and multiply.[^] Pope Benedict XVI told Catholics to have more babies "for the good of society," saying that some countries were being sapped of energy because of low birth rates. :rolleyes: Lets see, population of earth 6,463,669,319 and increasing at a rate of over 6 million per month. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Well... If you look at the total population count then this statement might seem ignorant. However I read a study that suggested places like the UK will be in trouble soon. The article states that women are waiting until later in their life to have children, late 30's and sometimes 40's. This is going to create a huge generation gap in the society. The gap will need to be filled with people moving into the area from other nations. There are also similar studies in the US. We are getting to the point where there might be more people that do not have kids, then one's that do. It probably won't affect you and I, but in the generations to come there might be a problem. Not that I agree with everything, if anything, the pope says. Just thought I would talk about the reason why having more babies would be good, instead of just demanding it. - Drew
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Well... If you look at the total population count then this statement might seem ignorant. However I read a study that suggested places like the UK will be in trouble soon. The article states that women are waiting until later in their life to have children, late 30's and sometimes 40's. This is going to create a huge generation gap in the society. The gap will need to be filled with people moving into the area from other nations. There are also similar studies in the US. We are getting to the point where there might be more people that do not have kids, then one's that do. It probably won't affect you and I, but in the generations to come there might be a problem. Not that I agree with everything, if anything, the pope says. Just thought I would talk about the reason why having more babies would be good, instead of just demanding it. - Drew
afinnell wrote: It probably won't affect you and I, but in the generations to come there might be a problem. Why would this be a problem? Ease burdoned infrastructures, lower water consumption (which is so high above water cycle rations that we are all running out of water), we might be able to feed the people we have, etc. There are some good reasons to reduce rather than grow. I don't see reducing the number of generations in a lifetime as a problem, but a benefit. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I think that show would've been in poor taste with the recent death of John Paul II.
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and multiply.[^] Pope Benedict XVI told Catholics to have more babies "for the good of society," saying that some countries were being sapped of energy because of low birth rates. :rolleyes: Lets see, population of earth 6,463,669,319 and increasing at a rate of over 6 million per month. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Well, i'm not terribly concerned about overpopulation. But this is sketchy at least. So yeah, Catholics are ignoring bans on birth control for whatever reasons, and this is resulting in lower birth rates. So, instead of telling them "hey, sinners, knock it off", he hits them with an appeal to... national pride?! :wtf: You know, i've generally thought the German Pope jokes in poor taste, but if someone wants to make a good "Preserve the Master Race" joke about this one, i'll laugh.
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afinnell wrote: It probably won't affect you and I, but in the generations to come there might be a problem. Why would this be a problem? Ease burdoned infrastructures, lower water consumption (which is so high above water cycle rations that we are all running out of water), we might be able to feed the people we have, etc. There are some good reasons to reduce rather than grow. I don't see reducing the number of generations in a lifetime as a problem, but a benefit. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: lower water consumption (which is so high above water cycle rations that we are all running out of water) Eh? Really? :~
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: lower water consumption (which is so high above water cycle rations that we are all running out of water) Eh? Really? :~
Really. I belive he means water suitable for drinking. And I heard/read somewhere the same thing. Never forget: "Stay kul and happy" (I.A.)
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That might be part of it; certainly closet homosexuals could be attracted to the priesthood in a predatory way possibly, but more likely in a way of attempting to get out of their lifestyle in the hopes of being godly. The fact that most of these abuses are man-on-boy, I believe, is due largely to accessibility. Altar boys are there, in constant contact with priests, who are sexually starved. I'd bet that if there were altar girls as there are altar boys, the sexual abuse would be spread out among both genders. Of course, at an early age, gender isn't as pronounced, so there may even be cases of abuse where the priest isn't necessarily homosexual. Sexually starved humans + easy, full one-on-one access to children is a recipe for sexual abuse, no matter who you are. I believe if they'd let priests marry, things would improve and you'd see a visible number of abuse cases go down over time.
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Ahem. At least in most American parishes, there are more female servers than there are male servers. Please note that the term 'altar boy' or 'altar girl' has only been used by the media since the late 80's.
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and multiply.[^] Pope Benedict XVI told Catholics to have more babies "for the good of society," saying that some countries were being sapped of energy because of low birth rates. :rolleyes: Lets see, population of earth 6,463,669,319 and increasing at a rate of over 6 million per month. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Hmm... someone who is celibate and never wants for anything tells those who are struggling to survive to increase their burden... The tigress is here :-D
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Hmm... someone who is celibate and never wants for anything tells those who are struggling to survive to increase their burden... The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: tells those who are struggling to survive to increase their burden... That's reading a bit into it, don't you think? :suss:
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Jeffry J. Brickley wrote: lower water consumption (which is so high above water cycle rations that we are all running out of water) Eh? Really? :~
Shog9 wrote: Eh? Really? Basically water exists in two forms, fresh and salt as we all know. Most of the water is in Salt water form which is expensive to draw water from. Fresh water is replenished through a regular cycle of evaporation, condensation, etc. However, that system is not a "constant" it rises and falls based on a huge number of factors, solar heat, quick evaporative water (watering your lawn in the day) or long term evaportive systems (underground or ocean water). The human population requires continually more water as the populations have risen over the thousands of years. Although we remove competition for water by deforestation and animal extinction, the population still grows faster than we can remove the competition for land resource. Thus we eventually had to start building "up", human population per square foot grows to huge figures in some areas. So we have to drill deeper and deeper for water because the surface water cannot be replenished fast enough. Drought doesn't help, because although the water cycle is reduced, demand is still increasing, making water less available. Water is a renewable resource, but through some uses of the water it can affect how long before that water is recycled to the fresh surface water. The Rio Grande has not reached the gulf for four years, and even with Colorado, NM and texas slowly coming out of drought, chances are it will never reach the gulf of mexico again. The entire volume of water will be used from now until the population reduces itself.... In drought areas cities are having to fight over who gets the most pressure on water ratios. States even suing each other over how much water should be sent downstream, even when the water isn't available to send. Even when the drought ends, demand simply increases to match, then doesn't let up when drought returns. It's kind of like paying your credit cards with other credit cards. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Shog9 wrote: Eh? Really? Basically water exists in two forms, fresh and salt as we all know. Most of the water is in Salt water form which is expensive to draw water from. Fresh water is replenished through a regular cycle of evaporation, condensation, etc. However, that system is not a "constant" it rises and falls based on a huge number of factors, solar heat, quick evaporative water (watering your lawn in the day) or long term evaportive systems (underground or ocean water). The human population requires continually more water as the populations have risen over the thousands of years. Although we remove competition for water by deforestation and animal extinction, the population still grows faster than we can remove the competition for land resource. Thus we eventually had to start building "up", human population per square foot grows to huge figures in some areas. So we have to drill deeper and deeper for water because the surface water cannot be replenished fast enough. Drought doesn't help, because although the water cycle is reduced, demand is still increasing, making water less available. Water is a renewable resource, but through some uses of the water it can affect how long before that water is recycled to the fresh surface water. The Rio Grande has not reached the gulf for four years, and even with Colorado, NM and texas slowly coming out of drought, chances are it will never reach the gulf of mexico again. The entire volume of water will be used from now until the population reduces itself.... In drought areas cities are having to fight over who gets the most pressure on water ratios. States even suing each other over how much water should be sent downstream, even when the water isn't available to send. Even when the drought ends, demand simply increases to match, then doesn't let up when drought returns. It's kind of like paying your credit cards with other credit cards. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Good reply, thanks. One thing that has amazed me since moving to Colorado is the schizophrenic attitude people and communities have towards their water supplies. On the one hand, they seem very adept at making efficient use of water, especially during droughts. On the other, they do stupid things like cultivating bluegrass lawns and watering public areas during the afternoon, while cutting water restrictions before water reserves are even close to recovering from drought. It also amazes me that so many people move here, though i guess i'm not really one to talk.
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Pope Benedict XVI told Catholics to have more babies "for the good of society," saying that some countries were being sapped of energy because of low birth rates. What an idiot. (Sorry, there just isn't any polite way of expressing myself regarding this) Marc My website
Latest Articles: Object Comparer String HelpersMarc Clifton wrote: Sorry, there just isn't any polite way of expressing myself regarding this If this is in the soapbox, i think you will be excused. :) Weiye Chen Life is hard, yet we are made of flesh...
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That might be part of it; certainly closet homosexuals could be attracted to the priesthood in a predatory way possibly, but more likely in a way of attempting to get out of their lifestyle in the hopes of being godly. The fact that most of these abuses are man-on-boy, I believe, is due largely to accessibility. Altar boys are there, in constant contact with priests, who are sexually starved. I'd bet that if there were altar girls as there are altar boys, the sexual abuse would be spread out among both genders. Of course, at an early age, gender isn't as pronounced, so there may even be cases of abuse where the priest isn't necessarily homosexual. Sexually starved humans + easy, full one-on-one access to children is a recipe for sexual abuse, no matter who you are. I believe if they'd let priests marry, things would improve and you'd see a visible number of abuse cases go down over time.
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I didn't mean to imply that the priests were predatory. Simply that they were attracted to the priesthood in an attempt to avoid or get rid of their homosexuality. We otherwise agree.
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Well... If you look at the total population count then this statement might seem ignorant. However I read a study that suggested places like the UK will be in trouble soon. The article states that women are waiting until later in their life to have children, late 30's and sometimes 40's. This is going to create a huge generation gap in the society. The gap will need to be filled with people moving into the area from other nations. There are also similar studies in the US. We are getting to the point where there might be more people that do not have kids, then one's that do. It probably won't affect you and I, but in the generations to come there might be a problem. Not that I agree with everything, if anything, the pope says. Just thought I would talk about the reason why having more babies would be good, instead of just demanding it. - Drew
afinnell wrote: It probably won't affect you and I I think it will affect us. Where`s the state going to get the money to pay for our pensions if the young - working population is too small. Measures will need to be taken: or taxes will be raised drammatically or pensions will drop considerably or age in which you are eligible for pension will be set much higher most likely a combination of all of the above... or we start breeding like rabbits on a diet of Viagra and make sure there are enough young people to care for us :-D ;P
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Trollslayer wrote: tells those who are struggling to survive to increase their burden... That's reading a bit into it, don't you think? :suss:
Maybe the pope should have done some more reading into it. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Hmm... someone who is celibate and never wants for anything tells those who are struggling to survive to increase their burden... The tigress is here :-D
Somehow I knew that I could count on you to provide a logical counterpoint to this touchy subject.:-D Thanks! That's just what this overcrowded world needs - more illiterate illegal immigrants who breed like rabbits and follow a faith that encourages more irresponsible breeding. Thanks, loads! I have no problem with the idea, really, so long as all new converts are required to learn Italian and make a pilgrimage to Vatican City at least once before they have children. Hopefully they'll all decide to settle there and leave the rest of us to live in peace without the burden of educating them and providing free health care that legal citizens can't get. X| "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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Pope Benedict XVI told Catholics to have more babies "for the good of society," saying that some countries were being sapped of energy because of low birth rates. What an idiot. (Sorry, there just isn't any polite way of expressing myself regarding this) Marc My website
Latest Articles: Object Comparer String HelpersHey, what's the deal with the CP rating system? This message showed up in grey text, but has a rating of 4.3. Seems like there are three colors: red = 5.0 gray = < 5.0 blue = unrated Or is it just my browser? (regarding the content of the message, I'd say Dante summed it up nicely several centries ago) Matt Gerrans
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Well, the Pope is clueless. What else is new? At least the Catholics will be able to get laid a little more. "People who never make mistakes, never do anything." My Blog
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and multiply.[^] Pope Benedict XVI told Catholics to have more babies "for the good of society," saying that some countries were being sapped of energy because of low birth rates. :rolleyes: Lets see, population of earth 6,463,669,319 and increasing at a rate of over 6 million per month. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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afinnell wrote: It probably won't affect you and I, but in the generations to come there might be a problem. Why would this be a problem? Ease burdoned infrastructures, lower water consumption (which is so high above water cycle rations that we are all running out of water), we might be able to feed the people we have, etc. There are some good reasons to reduce rather than grow. I don't see reducing the number of generations in a lifetime as a problem, but a benefit. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Where's the money for supporting all the retirees supposed to come from? When the programs were first put into practice there were dozens or hundreds of workers/retiree, it's now in the low single digits with some projections showing wage earners slipping into the minority in the coming decades. This is a major problem in the US, Western Europe, and IIRC Japan.