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  • B Bob Stanneveld

    Hello, I have a huge problem here at home. I have accidently denied write access to my D: drive. No other account has enough priviliges to change the access on any of the drives. After I changed the settings, I found that it was the wrong group (Administrators). Soon I found out that I couldn't change priviliges anymore for myself or other users on the drive. Is there a way to enable somebody to change priviliges on the drive when nobody has that privilige on that drive anymore? Thanks in advance. Behind every great black man...             ... is the police. - Conspiracy brother Blog[^]

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    Matt Newman
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    Well, in my experience the Adminstrator account can change permissions even when it itself doesn't have permissions to it. I'm thinking I did this once. Try logging in as the Administrator and changing it. Matt Newman
    Even the very best tools in the hands of an idiot will produce something of little or no value. - Chris Meech on Idiots

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      Well, in my experience the Adminstrator account can change permissions even when it itself doesn't have permissions to it. I'm thinking I did this once. Try logging in as the Administrator and changing it. Matt Newman
      Even the very best tools in the hands of an idiot will produce something of little or no value. - Chris Meech on Idiots

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      Bob Stanneveld
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      That didn't work unfortunatly. Maybe it would have worked when the access wasn't denied to the Administrator. Now I have to options: 1) Back the entire partition up on an other partition, remove the D: drive and reinstall the entire partition. 2) Same as above, but use some tool to restore the NTFS system instead of backing it up. Do you know if there is some (free) tool capable of restoring the entire file table of a partition? Behind every great black man...             ... is the police. - Conspiracy brother Blog[^]

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      • B Bob Stanneveld

        That didn't work unfortunatly. Maybe it would have worked when the access wasn't denied to the Administrator. Now I have to options: 1) Back the entire partition up on an other partition, remove the D: drive and reinstall the entire partition. 2) Same as above, but use some tool to restore the NTFS system instead of backing it up. Do you know if there is some (free) tool capable of restoring the entire file table of a partition? Behind every great black man...             ... is the police. - Conspiracy brother Blog[^]

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        toxcct
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        you can connect your hard disk into another computer and access the whole drive content... see then where to remove the rights...


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          you can connect your hard disk into another computer and access the whole drive content... see then where to remove the rights...


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          [toxcct][VisualCalc]

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          Bob Stanneveld
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          I don't think that I can change the access rights of one OS using another OS. The drive isn't a network share, and even if I change the rights from the network, or another OS, these changes don't apply to the local system. I think that my best option is to backup the drive and re-create the entire partition. Behind every great black man...             ... is the police. - Conspiracy brother Blog[^]

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          • B Bob Stanneveld

            I don't think that I can change the access rights of one OS using another OS. The drive isn't a network share, and even if I change the rights from the network, or another OS, these changes don't apply to the local system. I think that my best option is to backup the drive and re-create the entire partition. Behind every great black man...             ... is the police. - Conspiracy brother Blog[^]

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            toxcct
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            hi bob, i don't understand the point with the network. i just suggested you to unplug the hard disk from the PC it is connected, and plug it into another... you will see that by doing this, NTFS becomes nothing.... :sigh: all the security rules that are seet on a system don't mean anything on an other... try it if you have another computer you can open and plug some material inside...


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            [toxcct][VisualCalc]

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              hi bob, i don't understand the point with the network. i just suggested you to unplug the hard disk from the PC it is connected, and plug it into another... you will see that by doing this, NTFS becomes nothing.... :sigh: all the security rules that are seet on a system don't mean anything on an other... try it if you have another computer you can open and plug some material inside...


              TOXCCT >>> GEII power
              [toxcct][VisualCalc]

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              Bob Stanneveld
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              So you mean, that if I install the hard drive in another computer (different OS), the security settings are invalidated? Doesn't this mean that if I reinstall the hard drive does the same thing? My only problem with this is that my OS is on the same drive. The drive has multiple partitions, but physically it is the same drive. I'll try your suggestion when I have the time for it. toxcct wrote: i don't understand the point with the network. The problem with the network is that you can set local and network permissions. These settings don't affect eachother. So I think that you cannot set local security settings (local user) with a network administrator (remote user). I could be wrong though, since I'm not very into this subject. Anyway, thanks for the suggestion. :-D Behind every great black man...             ... is the police. - Conspiracy brother Blog[^]

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              • B Bob Stanneveld

                So you mean, that if I install the hard drive in another computer (different OS), the security settings are invalidated? Doesn't this mean that if I reinstall the hard drive does the same thing? My only problem with this is that my OS is on the same drive. The drive has multiple partitions, but physically it is the same drive. I'll try your suggestion when I have the time for it. toxcct wrote: i don't understand the point with the network. The problem with the network is that you can set local and network permissions. These settings don't affect eachother. So I think that you cannot set local security settings (local user) with a network administrator (remote user). I could be wrong though, since I'm not very into this subject. Anyway, thanks for the suggestion. :-D Behind every great black man...             ... is the police. - Conspiracy brother Blog[^]

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                toxcct
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                ok for the local/network point ; actually, i wans't talking about that at all. for your hard disk, yes, plugging it into an other computer - whatever OS, if it does understand NTFS - the rights are not effective for the new hosting system. there, you could remove the restriction you unfortunately set for the administrators, and try back booting on the system. if it has worked, you won't have to reformat the partition.


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                  ok for the local/network point ; actually, i wans't talking about that at all. for your hard disk, yes, plugging it into an other computer - whatever OS, if it does understand NTFS - the rights are not effective for the new hosting system. there, you could remove the restriction you unfortunately set for the administrators, and try back booting on the system. if it has worked, you won't have to reformat the partition.


                  TOXCCT >>> GEII power
                  [toxcct][VisualCalc]

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                  Bob Stanneveld
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                  I solved the problem now :-D. I used the method that required the least interaction from me, which was backing up the files, removing, restoring the partition and last restoring the backup. From me it only took 5 minutes and I accomplished this during dinner. I'll try your method for experimenting purposes when I have more time on my hands. Thanks for the info! Behind every great black man...             ... is the police. - Conspiracy brother Blog[^]

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                  • B Bob Stanneveld

                    That didn't work unfortunatly. Maybe it would have worked when the access wasn't denied to the Administrator. Now I have to options: 1) Back the entire partition up on an other partition, remove the D: drive and reinstall the entire partition. 2) Same as above, but use some tool to restore the NTFS system instead of backing it up. Do you know if there is some (free) tool capable of restoring the entire file table of a partition? Behind every great black man...             ... is the police. - Conspiracy brother Blog[^]

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                    Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                    Bob, I think if you removed all permissions from a folder for even adminstrator, Windows would give a warning saying 'No one access'. Under this circumstance, when you just doubleclick it would say 'Access is denied'. But you can go to Advanced, and try to take the ownership and then the control would be restored to the administrator. Did this help you? Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Web: http://www.lavanyadeepak.tk/ I Blog At: http://deepak.blogdrive.com/

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                    • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

                      Bob, I think if you removed all permissions from a folder for even adminstrator, Windows would give a warning saying 'No one access'. Under this circumstance, when you just doubleclick it would say 'Access is denied'. But you can go to Advanced, and try to take the ownership and then the control would be restored to the administrator. Did this help you? Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Web: http://www.lavanyadeepak.tk/ I Blog At: http://deepak.blogdrive.com/

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                      Bob Stanneveld
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                      Hello, Just even pointing to the drive made windows screem: "ACCESS DENIED". So even the property pages didn't show up. I solved the problem by creating a backup administrator that had read access to the entire drive. Second, I made a windows backup using the backup service. Third I removed the partition, recreated the partition and restoring the backup. After that, everything worked again. Behind every great black man...             ... is the police. - Conspiracy brother Blog[^]

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                      • B Bob Stanneveld

                        Hello, Just even pointing to the drive made windows screem: "ACCESS DENIED". So even the property pages didn't show up. I solved the problem by creating a backup administrator that had read access to the entire drive. Second, I made a windows backup using the backup service. Third I removed the partition, recreated the partition and restoring the backup. After that, everything worked again. Behind every great black man...             ... is the police. - Conspiracy brother Blog[^]

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                        Lost User
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                        Bob Stanneveld wrote:

                        Just even pointing to the drive made windows screem

                        Not click on the drive. Just right click on it and choose property command and the dialog box appear. Go to the security tab and click on button advance. The new dialog box appear and go to the owner tab and take ownership of the drive. Then you will have full access to that drive.

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