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Any mention of politics, especially critiques of well-known political figures, is better suited for the soapbox. :suss:
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Judah Himango wrote: Any mention of politics, especially critiques of well-known political figures, is better suited for the soapbox. Code Project wrote: Welcome to the Lounge! The Lounge is a place where you can discuss anything that takes your fancy. If you just want to laze about and discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere, then this is the place. I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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Judah Himango wrote: Any mention of politics, especially critiques of well-known political figures, is better suited for the soapbox. Code Project wrote: Welcome to the Lounge! The Lounge is a place where you can discuss anything that takes your fancy. If you just want to laze about and discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere, then this is the place. I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
Sure, but it also says: The Lounge is rated PG. If you're about to post something you wouldn't want your kid sister to read then don't post it. And most political discussions may go into the direction where I don't want my kid sister to read. Signature The only valid use of the BLINK tag:
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Sure, but it also says: The Lounge is rated PG. If you're about to post something you wouldn't want your kid sister to read then don't post it. And most political discussions may go into the direction where I don't want my kid sister to read. Signature The only valid use of the BLINK tag:
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Edbert P. wrote: And most political discussions may go into the direction where I don't want my kid sister to read. The operative word is
may. Are you implying that CPers are not capable of holding a civilized discussion on a controvercial topic in a forum whose stated purpose is to hold civilized discussions? To ban political discussion because of whatmayhappen is overly repressive and I find it reprehensible. I think therefore I am. -- Rene Descartes JimmyRopes -
Edbert P. wrote: And most political discussions may go into the direction where I don't want my kid sister to read. The operative word is
may. Are you implying that CPers are not capable of holding a civilized discussion on a controvercial topic in a forum whose stated purpose is to hold civilized discussions? To ban political discussion because of whatmayhappen is overly repressive and I find it reprehensible. I think therefore I am. -- Rene Descartes JimmyRopesJimmyRopes wrote: To ban political discussion because of what may happen is overly repressive and I find it reprehensible. We are not talking about banning political discussions here. These people merely pointed out a more proper place to hold a political discussion, which is in the Soapbox. I am sure MOST CPers are capable of holding a civilized discussion, but discussing politics in the Lounge to me seems like showing an MA+ program at 8.00AM in the morning instead of children's cartoon (ok, bad example, but I hope you know what I mean). Signature The only valid use of the BLINK tag:
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JimmyRopes wrote: To ban political discussion because of what may happen is overly repressive and I find it reprehensible. We are not talking about banning political discussions here. These people merely pointed out a more proper place to hold a political discussion, which is in the Soapbox. I am sure MOST CPers are capable of holding a civilized discussion, but discussing politics in the Lounge to me seems like showing an MA+ program at 8.00AM in the morning instead of children's cartoon (ok, bad example, but I hope you know what I mean). Signature The only valid use of the BLINK tag:
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Edbert P. wrote: We are not talking about banning political discussions here. These people merely pointed out a more proper place to hold a political discussion, which is in the Soapbox. And I am merely pointing out that I do not think that the Soapbox is a more proper place to hold a political discussion. The lounge is set up to hold discussions in a civilized manner and the soapbox is set up to rant. Code Project wrote: Welcome to the Lounge! The Lounge is a place where you can discuss anything that takes your fancy. If you just want to laze about and discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere, then this is the place. Code Project wrote: The Code Project discussion boards - The Soapbox - off-topic rants If you want to get something off your chest then do it here - but enter at your own risk. I read the lounge regularly but do not go to the soapbox, unless directed there by a re-posting I am interested in. I think there is a better chance of a civilized discussion on the lounge, where people are going to have such, than on the soapbox, where people go to rant. Edbert P. wrote: discussing politics in the Lounge to me seems like showing an MA+ program at 8.00AM in the morning instead of children's cartoon Good point. I feel that an alternative to meaningless drivvel is important and should be presented so that there are alternatives to what some people think is appropriate for a particular forum or timeslot; provided it is presented in a way that is not offensive to the usual participants, i.e., (in this case) "kid sister". To say that only mindless matter should be discussed on the lounge is offensive to me and violates the basic tennet of the lounge as being a place to "discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere". If I want a discussion I will go to the lounge and if to rant I will go to the soapbox. When the "thought police" are allowed to dictate what is objectionable or proper for discussion on the lounge we all are deprived of an opportunity to learn from the diverse group of people, with varying opinions I might add, who, for the most part, post reasoned arguments. I think therefore I am. -- Rene Descartes JimmyRopes
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Edbert P. wrote: We are not talking about banning political discussions here. These people merely pointed out a more proper place to hold a political discussion, which is in the Soapbox. And I am merely pointing out that I do not think that the Soapbox is a more proper place to hold a political discussion. The lounge is set up to hold discussions in a civilized manner and the soapbox is set up to rant. Code Project wrote: Welcome to the Lounge! The Lounge is a place where you can discuss anything that takes your fancy. If you just want to laze about and discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere, then this is the place. Code Project wrote: The Code Project discussion boards - The Soapbox - off-topic rants If you want to get something off your chest then do it here - but enter at your own risk. I read the lounge regularly but do not go to the soapbox, unless directed there by a re-posting I am interested in. I think there is a better chance of a civilized discussion on the lounge, where people are going to have such, than on the soapbox, where people go to rant. Edbert P. wrote: discussing politics in the Lounge to me seems like showing an MA+ program at 8.00AM in the morning instead of children's cartoon Good point. I feel that an alternative to meaningless drivvel is important and should be presented so that there are alternatives to what some people think is appropriate for a particular forum or timeslot; provided it is presented in a way that is not offensive to the usual participants, i.e., (in this case) "kid sister". To say that only mindless matter should be discussed on the lounge is offensive to me and violates the basic tennet of the lounge as being a place to "discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere". If I want a discussion I will go to the lounge and if to rant I will go to the soapbox. When the "thought police" are allowed to dictate what is objectionable or proper for discussion on the lounge we all are deprived of an opportunity to learn from the diverse group of people, with varying opinions I might add, who, for the most part, post reasoned arguments. I think therefore I am. -- Rene Descartes JimmyRopes
Well, I can't say that I disagree with you. In fact, I don't mind having a few political discussions (and other mature-themed discussions), but a few weeks ago (even until now) there had been several discussions in the Lounge that heated up into rants (at least IMO). Therefore I'd rather have a potentially escalating exploding discussion (i.e. politics, religion) in the Soapbox, not to mention that there is the benefit that you can express your opinions more freely in that area (no kid-sister rule). There are no "thought police" in CP, but if all I see in the Lounge is politics then I'd much rather go to the ASP/SQL/C# forums :). I expect the Lounge to be a place for me to laze about and perhaps check some interesting POTD, JOTD, FOTD links. Signature The only valid use of the BLINK tag:
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Well, I can't say that I disagree with you. In fact, I don't mind having a few political discussions (and other mature-themed discussions), but a few weeks ago (even until now) there had been several discussions in the Lounge that heated up into rants (at least IMO). Therefore I'd rather have a potentially escalating exploding discussion (i.e. politics, religion) in the Soapbox, not to mention that there is the benefit that you can express your opinions more freely in that area (no kid-sister rule). There are no "thought police" in CP, but if all I see in the Lounge is politics then I'd much rather go to the ASP/SQL/C# forums :). I expect the Lounge to be a place for me to laze about and perhaps check some interesting POTD, JOTD, FOTD links. Signature The only valid use of the BLINK tag:
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Edbert P. wrote: there had been several discussions in the Lounge that heated up into rants That is the time to point out that the discussion is offensive and should be taken to the soapbox where a good p!ss!ng spitting contest is in order. Edbert P. wrote: Therefore I'd rather have a potentially escalating exploding discussion (i.e. politics, religion) in the Soapbox Preconceived low expectations of people you do not even know. Edbert P. wrote: not to mention that there is the benefit that you can express your opinions more freely in that area If you cannot express your opinions in a civilized manner you should very definitely confine your opinions to the soapbox. I find it personally offensive, and prejudiced, that you would make that generalization. Edbert P. wrote: There are no "thought police" in CP People who say that the soapbox is a better place to hold political discussions come dangerously close. See my previous post showing what the stated intentions of the two forums are. Edbert P. wrote: if all I see in the Lounge is politics then I'd much rather go to the ASP/SQL/C# forums I doubt if the lounge will degrade to a political "soapbox" (I couldn't help myself). If it does it indicates that there is sufficient interest to open a new discussion thread devoted to that subject so the lounge can continue to provide a place for discussions that are not appropriate elsewhere. Edbert P. wrote: I expect the Lounge to be a place for me to laze about and perhaps check some interesting POTD, JOTD, FOTD links. Resist the urge to read threads you are not interested in and look for those with subjects like POTD, JOTD, FOTD. I am not saying that you should read or be interested in everything posted on the lounge. What I am saying is don't make that decision for me. Exercise your right to be discriminating and only read things that are of interest to you, but please extend the same courtesy to me and allow me to decide for myself what to read and what not to read on the lounge. I think therefore I am. -- Rene Descartes JimmyRopes
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Edbert P. wrote: there had been several discussions in the Lounge that heated up into rants That is the time to point out that the discussion is offensive and should be taken to the soapbox where a good p!ss!ng spitting contest is in order. Edbert P. wrote: Therefore I'd rather have a potentially escalating exploding discussion (i.e. politics, religion) in the Soapbox Preconceived low expectations of people you do not even know. Edbert P. wrote: not to mention that there is the benefit that you can express your opinions more freely in that area If you cannot express your opinions in a civilized manner you should very definitely confine your opinions to the soapbox. I find it personally offensive, and prejudiced, that you would make that generalization. Edbert P. wrote: There are no "thought police" in CP People who say that the soapbox is a better place to hold political discussions come dangerously close. See my previous post showing what the stated intentions of the two forums are. Edbert P. wrote: if all I see in the Lounge is politics then I'd much rather go to the ASP/SQL/C# forums I doubt if the lounge will degrade to a political "soapbox" (I couldn't help myself). If it does it indicates that there is sufficient interest to open a new discussion thread devoted to that subject so the lounge can continue to provide a place for discussions that are not appropriate elsewhere. Edbert P. wrote: I expect the Lounge to be a place for me to laze about and perhaps check some interesting POTD, JOTD, FOTD links. Resist the urge to read threads you are not interested in and look for those with subjects like POTD, JOTD, FOTD. I am not saying that you should read or be interested in everything posted on the lounge. What I am saying is don't make that decision for me. Exercise your right to be discriminating and only read things that are of interest to you, but please extend the same courtesy to me and allow me to decide for myself what to read and what not to read on the lounge. I think therefore I am. -- Rene Descartes JimmyRopes
panties in a bunch? does the cat have your nads in it's grasp? - LOL :-)
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Edbert P. wrote: there had been several discussions in the Lounge that heated up into rants That is the time to point out that the discussion is offensive and should be taken to the soapbox where a good p!ss!ng spitting contest is in order. Edbert P. wrote: Therefore I'd rather have a potentially escalating exploding discussion (i.e. politics, religion) in the Soapbox Preconceived low expectations of people you do not even know. Edbert P. wrote: not to mention that there is the benefit that you can express your opinions more freely in that area If you cannot express your opinions in a civilized manner you should very definitely confine your opinions to the soapbox. I find it personally offensive, and prejudiced, that you would make that generalization. Edbert P. wrote: There are no "thought police" in CP People who say that the soapbox is a better place to hold political discussions come dangerously close. See my previous post showing what the stated intentions of the two forums are. Edbert P. wrote: if all I see in the Lounge is politics then I'd much rather go to the ASP/SQL/C# forums I doubt if the lounge will degrade to a political "soapbox" (I couldn't help myself). If it does it indicates that there is sufficient interest to open a new discussion thread devoted to that subject so the lounge can continue to provide a place for discussions that are not appropriate elsewhere. Edbert P. wrote: I expect the Lounge to be a place for me to laze about and perhaps check some interesting POTD, JOTD, FOTD links. Resist the urge to read threads you are not interested in and look for those with subjects like POTD, JOTD, FOTD. I am not saying that you should read or be interested in everything posted on the lounge. What I am saying is don't make that decision for me. Exercise your right to be discriminating and only read things that are of interest to you, but please extend the same courtesy to me and allow me to decide for myself what to read and what not to read on the lounge. I think therefore I am. -- Rene Descartes JimmyRopes
I'm with you on this. If I wish to have a political or other chat about some matter. Fine. However I can't understand why somone else who does not agree with my views then needs to take the arguement to a pesonal level. - If on the other hand I use hate speech (or writing), I really am setting myself up by inciting those who have various sensitivities. - What is worrying is that so many CPians and others in the broader community can not differentiate from the two. - Anyhow say what you like in the lounge without fear of offending me. Regardz Colin J Davies The most LinkedIn CPian (that I know of anyhow) :-)
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Sure, but it also says: The Lounge is rated PG. If you're about to post something you wouldn't want your kid sister to read then don't post it. And most political discussions may go into the direction where I don't want my kid sister to read. Signature The only valid use of the BLINK tag:
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That signature is hilarious :-D regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Edbert P. wrote: And most political discussions may go into the direction where I don't want my kid sister to read. The operative word is
may. Are you implying that CPers are not capable of holding a civilized discussion on a controvercial topic in a forum whose stated purpose is to hold civilized discussions? To ban political discussion because of whatmayhappen is overly repressive and I find it reprehensible. I think therefore I am. -- Rene Descartes JimmyRopesHey Jimmy. Nothing is banned. As you pointed out it is not even a rule of the Lounge. It is just something that over the years we have come to a mutual agreement on. People come to the Lounge to mainly relax. Having that spoiled by heated and far-ranging political or religious topics is not relaxing. So as a courtesy we discuss difficult topics in the Soapbox. The same goes for sports events :-D regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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I'm with you on this. If I wish to have a political or other chat about some matter. Fine. However I can't understand why somone else who does not agree with my views then needs to take the arguement to a pesonal level. - If on the other hand I use hate speech (or writing), I really am setting myself up by inciting those who have various sensitivities. - What is worrying is that so many CPians and others in the broader community can not differentiate from the two. - Anyhow say what you like in the lounge without fear of offending me. Regardz Colin J Davies The most LinkedIn CPian (that I know of anyhow) :-)
ColinDavies wrote: However I can't understand why somone else who does not agree with my views then needs to take the arguement to a pesonal level. I have seen this also. In my opinion it is they lack the imagination to discuss controversial topics on their merits and need to "retaliate" with a personal attack when they disagree with your opinion. Don't take it personally, it is them who are showing how little they know or how prejudiced they are. ColinDavies wrote: If on the other hand I use hate speech (or writing), I really am setting myself up by inciting those who have various sensitivities. Hateful speech or writing is like the person who lacks the vocabulary to frame their ideas in a properly constructed sentence and injects a curse every other word as if that clarifies what they are trying to say. ColinDavies wrote: What is worrying is that so many CPians and others in the broader community can not differentiate from the two. Reading and reading with comprehension are two different things. Too many people will read something and not take the time to consider what the other person is trying to say. What really gets to me is when someone will mock people for their grammar when they are trying to converse in a language other than their native tongue. I would like to challenge those people to converse in the other person’s native language but then I would be getting into a discussion with someone of limited imagination and verifiably low communication skills. I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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Hey Jimmy. Nothing is banned. As you pointed out it is not even a rule of the Lounge. It is just something that over the years we have come to a mutual agreement on. People come to the Lounge to mainly relax. Having that spoiled by heated and far-ranging political or religious topics is not relaxing. So as a courtesy we discuss difficult topics in the Soapbox. The same goes for sports events :-D regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote: It is just something that over the years we have come to a mutual agreement on. People come to the Lounge to mainly relax. Having that spoiled by heated and far-ranging political or religious topics is not relaxing. I can understand that if you want to relax you do not want to get involved in a controversial subject but then all you need to do is pass on reading that discussion thread and go on the JOTD, POTD, Liverpool vs Jo'burg, etc. That is what subject lines are for; to alert you to the content of the discussion. I regularly pass on the opportunity to read the discussion of the latest sporting event but that doesn't mean that I think you should take it to the soapbox. I just skip to the next discussion without giving it a second thought. It doesn't even detract from my lounge experience as I do not get drawn into a discussion that holds no interest to me personally. My point is not that everyone should read and contribute to every discussion but that it is not anyone’s place to say that a particular topic is not worthy of consideration by people here in the lounge and that you should take your rant to where the other ranters (the stated purpose of the soapbox is a place to rant) frequent. That is an elitist and condescending and attitude. Please do as I do when presented with an offensive subject and just move on to the next discussion without opening the thread or giving it a second thought. If, on the other hand, you get drawn in and feel compelled to read, and possibly contribute to, the discussions then you have only yourself to blame for ruining your relaxing lounge experience. I am not trying to offend you but please do not become the "subject police" guarding the lounge from interlopers who do not know the sensibilities of the local loungers. P.S. – I know it is easy to pass on a sports discussion but not as easy to pass on a political discussion.:-D It will take some dicipline.:sigh: I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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more like .NET stuff... Though also Win32API has some treasures, such as "MakeSureDirectoryPathExists"
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boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenpeterchen wrote: Though also Win32API has some treasures, such as "MakeSureDirectoryPathExists" It does seem out of character. I hadn't realized that Win32API may have been written by VB programmers but "MakeSureDirectoryPathExists" has got me wondering. :confused: :~ :doh: I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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Paul Watson wrote: It is just something that over the years we have come to a mutual agreement on. People come to the Lounge to mainly relax. Having that spoiled by heated and far-ranging political or religious topics is not relaxing. I can understand that if you want to relax you do not want to get involved in a controversial subject but then all you need to do is pass on reading that discussion thread and go on the JOTD, POTD, Liverpool vs Jo'burg, etc. That is what subject lines are for; to alert you to the content of the discussion. I regularly pass on the opportunity to read the discussion of the latest sporting event but that doesn't mean that I think you should take it to the soapbox. I just skip to the next discussion without giving it a second thought. It doesn't even detract from my lounge experience as I do not get drawn into a discussion that holds no interest to me personally. My point is not that everyone should read and contribute to every discussion but that it is not anyone’s place to say that a particular topic is not worthy of consideration by people here in the lounge and that you should take your rant to where the other ranters (the stated purpose of the soapbox is a place to rant) frequent. That is an elitist and condescending and attitude. Please do as I do when presented with an offensive subject and just move on to the next discussion without opening the thread or giving it a second thought. If, on the other hand, you get drawn in and feel compelled to read, and possibly contribute to, the discussions then you have only yourself to blame for ruining your relaxing lounge experience. I am not trying to offend you but please do not become the "subject police" guarding the lounge from interlopers who do not know the sensibilities of the local loungers. P.S. – I know it is easy to pass on a sports discussion but not as easy to pass on a political discussion.:-D It will take some dicipline.:sigh: I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
Jimmy, we are asking you to respect our traditions which have been built over many years of experience. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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