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Sure, but it also says: The Lounge is rated PG. If you're about to post something you wouldn't want your kid sister to read then don't post it. And most political discussions may go into the direction where I don't want my kid sister to read. Signature The only valid use of the BLINK tag:
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That signature is hilarious :-D regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Edbert P. wrote: And most political discussions may go into the direction where I don't want my kid sister to read. The operative word is
may. Are you implying that CPers are not capable of holding a civilized discussion on a controvercial topic in a forum whose stated purpose is to hold civilized discussions? To ban political discussion because of whatmayhappen is overly repressive and I find it reprehensible. I think therefore I am. -- Rene Descartes JimmyRopesHey Jimmy. Nothing is banned. As you pointed out it is not even a rule of the Lounge. It is just something that over the years we have come to a mutual agreement on. People come to the Lounge to mainly relax. Having that spoiled by heated and far-ranging political or religious topics is not relaxing. So as a courtesy we discuss difficult topics in the Soapbox. The same goes for sports events :-D regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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I'm with you on this. If I wish to have a political or other chat about some matter. Fine. However I can't understand why somone else who does not agree with my views then needs to take the arguement to a pesonal level. - If on the other hand I use hate speech (or writing), I really am setting myself up by inciting those who have various sensitivities. - What is worrying is that so many CPians and others in the broader community can not differentiate from the two. - Anyhow say what you like in the lounge without fear of offending me. Regardz Colin J Davies The most LinkedIn CPian (that I know of anyhow) :-)
ColinDavies wrote: However I can't understand why somone else who does not agree with my views then needs to take the arguement to a pesonal level. I have seen this also. In my opinion it is they lack the imagination to discuss controversial topics on their merits and need to "retaliate" with a personal attack when they disagree with your opinion. Don't take it personally, it is them who are showing how little they know or how prejudiced they are. ColinDavies wrote: If on the other hand I use hate speech (or writing), I really am setting myself up by inciting those who have various sensitivities. Hateful speech or writing is like the person who lacks the vocabulary to frame their ideas in a properly constructed sentence and injects a curse every other word as if that clarifies what they are trying to say. ColinDavies wrote: What is worrying is that so many CPians and others in the broader community can not differentiate from the two. Reading and reading with comprehension are two different things. Too many people will read something and not take the time to consider what the other person is trying to say. What really gets to me is when someone will mock people for their grammar when they are trying to converse in a language other than their native tongue. I would like to challenge those people to converse in the other person’s native language but then I would be getting into a discussion with someone of limited imagination and verifiably low communication skills. I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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Hey Jimmy. Nothing is banned. As you pointed out it is not even a rule of the Lounge. It is just something that over the years we have come to a mutual agreement on. People come to the Lounge to mainly relax. Having that spoiled by heated and far-ranging political or religious topics is not relaxing. So as a courtesy we discuss difficult topics in the Soapbox. The same goes for sports events :-D regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote: It is just something that over the years we have come to a mutual agreement on. People come to the Lounge to mainly relax. Having that spoiled by heated and far-ranging political or religious topics is not relaxing. I can understand that if you want to relax you do not want to get involved in a controversial subject but then all you need to do is pass on reading that discussion thread and go on the JOTD, POTD, Liverpool vs Jo'burg, etc. That is what subject lines are for; to alert you to the content of the discussion. I regularly pass on the opportunity to read the discussion of the latest sporting event but that doesn't mean that I think you should take it to the soapbox. I just skip to the next discussion without giving it a second thought. It doesn't even detract from my lounge experience as I do not get drawn into a discussion that holds no interest to me personally. My point is not that everyone should read and contribute to every discussion but that it is not anyone’s place to say that a particular topic is not worthy of consideration by people here in the lounge and that you should take your rant to where the other ranters (the stated purpose of the soapbox is a place to rant) frequent. That is an elitist and condescending and attitude. Please do as I do when presented with an offensive subject and just move on to the next discussion without opening the thread or giving it a second thought. If, on the other hand, you get drawn in and feel compelled to read, and possibly contribute to, the discussions then you have only yourself to blame for ruining your relaxing lounge experience. I am not trying to offend you but please do not become the "subject police" guarding the lounge from interlopers who do not know the sensibilities of the local loungers. P.S. – I know it is easy to pass on a sports discussion but not as easy to pass on a political discussion.:-D It will take some dicipline.:sigh: I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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more like .NET stuff... Though also Win32API has some treasures, such as "MakeSureDirectoryPathExists"
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Paul Watson wrote: It is just something that over the years we have come to a mutual agreement on. People come to the Lounge to mainly relax. Having that spoiled by heated and far-ranging political or religious topics is not relaxing. I can understand that if you want to relax you do not want to get involved in a controversial subject but then all you need to do is pass on reading that discussion thread and go on the JOTD, POTD, Liverpool vs Jo'burg, etc. That is what subject lines are for; to alert you to the content of the discussion. I regularly pass on the opportunity to read the discussion of the latest sporting event but that doesn't mean that I think you should take it to the soapbox. I just skip to the next discussion without giving it a second thought. It doesn't even detract from my lounge experience as I do not get drawn into a discussion that holds no interest to me personally. My point is not that everyone should read and contribute to every discussion but that it is not anyone’s place to say that a particular topic is not worthy of consideration by people here in the lounge and that you should take your rant to where the other ranters (the stated purpose of the soapbox is a place to rant) frequent. That is an elitist and condescending and attitude. Please do as I do when presented with an offensive subject and just move on to the next discussion without opening the thread or giving it a second thought. If, on the other hand, you get drawn in and feel compelled to read, and possibly contribute to, the discussions then you have only yourself to blame for ruining your relaxing lounge experience. I am not trying to offend you but please do not become the "subject police" guarding the lounge from interlopers who do not know the sensibilities of the local loungers. P.S. – I know it is easy to pass on a sports discussion but not as easy to pass on a political discussion.:-D It will take some dicipline.:sigh: I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
Jimmy, we are asking you to respect our traditions which have been built over many years of experience. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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:-D I hate abbreviations. Couldn't you have made it [Message Deleted] its only 4 extra letters.
paulb wrote: I hate abbreviations. Hate speech and rants belong in the soapbox. Pls del ths msg ;) Steve T
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Jimmy, we are asking you to respect our traditions which have been built over many years of experience. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and WebTwoZero. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote: Jimmy, we are asking you to respect our traditions which have been built over many years of experience. Fair enough. I will not post political or religious subjects on the lounge.
Wait a minute, I never did!The point I am trying to make is not that a particular subject should or should not be posted here but that it is pretentious for people to say that a particular subject should not be posted on the lounge because it offends some sense of community decorum. Obviously, you do not feel the same about this. At the risk of sounding political, unwritten rules are an elitist way of separating the inner circle from the masses. Pardon me if that sounded the least bit political; it was not intended to be a political statement as I know political discussions are frowned upon here in the lounge. I think therefore I am. -- Rene Descartes JimmyRopes -
Judah Himango wrote: Any mention of politics, especially critiques of well-known political figures, is better suited for the soapbox. Code Project wrote: Welcome to the Lounge! The Lounge is a place where you can discuss anything that takes your fancy. If you just want to laze about and discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere, then this is the place. I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
JimmyRopes while quoting CodeProject wrote: "discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere" Well, the soapbox is there, so it political discussions have somewhere to fit in already.
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Paul Watson wrote: Jimmy, we are asking you to respect our traditions which have been built over many years of experience. Fair enough. I will not post political or religious subjects on the lounge.
Wait a minute, I never did!The point I am trying to make is not that a particular subject should or should not be posted here but that it is pretentious for people to say that a particular subject should not be posted on the lounge because it offends some sense of community decorum. Obviously, you do not feel the same about this. At the risk of sounding political, unwritten rules are an elitist way of separating the inner circle from the masses. Pardon me if that sounded the least bit political; it was not intended to be a political statement as I know political discussions are frowned upon here in the lounge. I think therefore I am. -- Rene Descartes JimmyRopesJimmyRopes wrote: unwritten rules are an elitist way of separating the inner circle from the masses But they are written - You quoted them and I pointed out what part of the rule to which you seem to be oblivious in your argument.
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JimmyRopes wrote: unwritten rules are an elitist way of separating the inner circle from the masses But they are written - You quoted them and I pointed out what part of the rule to which you seem to be oblivious in your argument.
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Code Project wrote: Welcome to the Lounge! The Lounge is a place where you can discuss anything that takes your fancy. If you just want to laze about and discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere, then this is the place. Posting Guideline: The Lounge is rated PG. If you're about to post something you wouldn't want your kid sister to read then don't post it. Do not post programming questions (use the programming forums for that) and please don't post ads. Where does it say political discussions, or religious discussions for that matter (I don't go there), are off limits or some how offensive to the community's sensibilities? Code Project wrote: The Lounge is rated PG. Doesn't that mean "parental guidance" in the movie industry? In other words the discussion could be adult in nature if they are carried out without being overtly offensive. I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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JimmyRopes while quoting CodeProject wrote: "discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere" Well, the soapbox is there, so it political discussions have somewhere to fit in already.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Well, the soapbox is there, so it political discussions have somewhere to fit in already. Not all political discussions are rants. Some people are able to present considered political argumants without the need to resort to ranting. Others cannot and should limit their participation in any discussion, political or otherwise, to the soapbox. Code Project wrote: The Code Project discussion boards - The Soapbox - off-topic rants If you want to get something off your chest then do it here - but enter at your own risk. The soapbox is a place for ranting and not necessarily for civilized political discussions. If I want to rant I will go to the soapbox, if I want to discuss things in a civilized manner I will go to the lounge. A subtlety that apparently is lost. I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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Code Project wrote: Welcome to the Lounge! The Lounge is a place where you can discuss anything that takes your fancy. If you just want to laze about and discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere, then this is the place. Posting Guideline: The Lounge is rated PG. If you're about to post something you wouldn't want your kid sister to read then don't post it. Do not post programming questions (use the programming forums for that) and please don't post ads. Where does it say political discussions, or religious discussions for that matter (I don't go there), are off limits or some how offensive to the community's sensibilities? Code Project wrote: The Lounge is rated PG. Doesn't that mean "parental guidance" in the movie industry? In other words the discussion could be adult in nature if they are carried out without being overtly offensive. I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
Oh Jeez. Can you not even do simple logic... JimmyRopes quoting from the posting guidlines wrote: "discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere" JimmyRopes wrote: Where does it say political discussions, or religious discussions for that matter (I don't go there), are off limits or some how offensive to the community's sensibilities? Within the context of Code Project they are accptable, with in the context of the Lounge they are NOT acceptable. The Soapbox is for political or religious discussions, stuff rated higher than PG etc. Therefore it (a political message) does fit somewhere else. Excerpt from algorithm to decide whethere to post in the Lounge:
public bool ShouldIPostInTheLounge(string message)
{
if ((MessageIsPolitical(message)) ||
(MessageIsReligious(message)) ||
(MessageIsProgrammingQuestion(message)) ||
(MessageIsRated12OrAbove(message)))
{
return false;
}
// Other rules here.....
}Does this help?
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Well, the soapbox is there, so it political discussions have somewhere to fit in already. Not all political discussions are rants. Some people are able to present considered political argumants without the need to resort to ranting. Others cannot and should limit their participation in any discussion, political or otherwise, to the soapbox. Code Project wrote: The Code Project discussion boards - The Soapbox - off-topic rants If you want to get something off your chest then do it here - but enter at your own risk. The soapbox is a place for ranting and not necessarily for civilized political discussions. If I want to rant I will go to the soapbox, if I want to discuss things in a civilized manner I will go to the lounge. A subtlety that apparently is lost. I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
JimmyRopes wrote: if I want to discuss things in a civilized manner I will go to the lounge. A subtlety that apparently is lost. So keep to subjects that can be discussed in a civilised manner already! Sheesh...
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Oh Jeez. Can you not even do simple logic... JimmyRopes quoting from the posting guidlines wrote: "discuss things that don't quite fit elsewhere" JimmyRopes wrote: Where does it say political discussions, or religious discussions for that matter (I don't go there), are off limits or some how offensive to the community's sensibilities? Within the context of Code Project they are accptable, with in the context of the Lounge they are NOT acceptable. The Soapbox is for political or religious discussions, stuff rated higher than PG etc. Therefore it (a political message) does fit somewhere else. Excerpt from algorithm to decide whethere to post in the Lounge:
public bool ShouldIPostInTheLounge(string message)
{
if ((MessageIsPolitical(message)) ||
(MessageIsReligious(message)) ||
(MessageIsProgrammingQuestion(message)) ||
(MessageIsRated12OrAbove(message)))
{
return false;
}
// Other rules here.....
}Does this help?
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Well, the soapbox is there, so it political discussions have somewhere to fit in already. Not all political discussions are rants. Some people are able to present considered political arguments without the need to resort to ranting. Others cannot and should limit their participation in any discussion, political or otherwise, to the soapbox. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Oh Jeez. Can you not even do simple logic... Don't be condescending. If you insist on ranting you should go to the soapbox where these kinds of comments belong. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Within the context of Code Project they are acceptable, with in the context of the Lounge they are NOT acceptable. It is very presumptuous that you are taking it on yourself to speak for the 2.2M members of code project. It might be a revelation to you but not everyone has the same opinion as you do about what is appropriate and what is not. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: The Soapbox is for political or religious discussions, stuff rated higher than PG etc. Therefore it (a political message) does fit somewhere else. Nowhere does it state that "The Soapbox is for political or religious discussions". Why are you trying to impose your assumptions on the rest of us. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Excerpt from algorithm to decide whethere to post in the Lounge: public bool ShouldIPostInTheLounge(string message) { if ((MessageIsPolitical(message)) || (MessageIsReligious(message)) || (MessageIsProgrammingQuestion(message)) || (MessageIsRated12OrAbove(message))) { return false; } // Other rules here..... } There you go being condescending again. It is very presumptuous that you should state these rules like they are engraved in stone. I for one do not believe that political discussion is necessarily adult in nature. The earlier young people are engaged in issues that affect their lives, in an age appropriate manner, the earlier they can start to consider the issues that are important to them for the rest of their lives. Religious messages are taught to young children every Friday, if you believe in Islam, Saturday, if you believe in Judaism, and Sunday if you believe in Christianity. Sorry to all the Hindu, Jainist, Buddhist, Taoist, etc., brethren for not mentioning you, you are not forgotten but for the p
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JimmyRopes wrote: if I want to discuss things in a civilized manner I will go to the lounge. A subtlety that apparently is lost. So keep to subjects that can be discussed in a civilised manner already! Sheesh...
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: So keep to subjects that can be discussed in a civilised manner already! Sheesh... I am! I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Well, the soapbox is there, so it political discussions have somewhere to fit in already. Not all political discussions are rants. Some people are able to present considered political arguments without the need to resort to ranting. Others cannot and should limit their participation in any discussion, political or otherwise, to the soapbox. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Oh Jeez. Can you not even do simple logic... Don't be condescending. If you insist on ranting you should go to the soapbox where these kinds of comments belong. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Within the context of Code Project they are acceptable, with in the context of the Lounge they are NOT acceptable. It is very presumptuous that you are taking it on yourself to speak for the 2.2M members of code project. It might be a revelation to you but not everyone has the same opinion as you do about what is appropriate and what is not. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: The Soapbox is for political or religious discussions, stuff rated higher than PG etc. Therefore it (a political message) does fit somewhere else. Nowhere does it state that "The Soapbox is for political or religious discussions". Why are you trying to impose your assumptions on the rest of us. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Excerpt from algorithm to decide whethere to post in the Lounge: public bool ShouldIPostInTheLounge(string message) { if ((MessageIsPolitical(message)) || (MessageIsReligious(message)) || (MessageIsProgrammingQuestion(message)) || (MessageIsRated12OrAbove(message))) { return false; } // Other rules here..... } There you go being condescending again. It is very presumptuous that you should state these rules like they are engraved in stone. I for one do not believe that political discussion is necessarily adult in nature. The earlier young people are engaged in issues that affect their lives, in an age appropriate manner, the earlier they can start to consider the issues that are important to them for the rest of their lives. Religious messages are taught to young children every Friday, if you believe in Islam, Saturday, if you believe in Judaism, and Sunday if you believe in Christianity. Sorry to all the Hindu, Jainist, Buddhist, Taoist, etc., brethren for not mentioning you, you are not forgotten but for the p
JimmyRopes wrote: Don't be condescending. I get the impression that you actually understand the rule, but you want to continue the argument because you don't want to be seen as having lost. If that is not the case then I apologies for being condesending, I was getting frustrated with what appeared to me as a circular argument. JimmyRopes wrote: It is a very presumptuous that you should state these rules like they are engraved in stone. I'm a software developer, that's how I codify stuff and code can be changed so it isn't "engraved in stone" JimmyRopes wrote: The earlier young people are engaged in issues that affect their lives, in an age appropriate manner, the earlier they can start to consider the issues that are important to them for the rest of their lives. I agree with you on that point. However, it has been a long standing rule that political and religious discussions do not go in the Lounge. I've made the mistake in the past and I've apologiesed and adhered to the forum etiquette after that. No big deal. I don't pee in the street because I know that it is not acceptable, and I don't discuss politics or religion or tell dirty jokes here in the Lounge because it isn't acceptable here. JimmyRopes wrote: When you get voted into the position of spokesman for the rest of CP then you can talk with some authority, until then please do not confuse your opinions with the sentiment of the rest of us. You are right, I'm not a spokesman for CP. However, I know what the rules are and I've tried to explain them, but you want to impose your rules on the rest of us. JimmyRopes wrote: If others have similar opinions they should state them also. That is what it means to me to discuss things. Discussion is not a monologue where you state things and everyone is supposed to believe it. If you look back through the forum archives you will see this discussion on what can and cannot be discussed in the Lounge arise again and again. And on each occastion the result is: No politics, no religion, no smutty jokes and so on because they go in the Soapbox. In fact in the Soapbox was set up for that very reason, because people in the Lounge wanted to relax and have a bit of fun and did not want to have to read politics or religion or anything that might inflame them and spoil the relaxation they sought. So, I hope you now understand where things are at, a
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Edbert P. wrote: And most political discussions may go into the direction where I don't want my kid sister to read. The operative word is
may. Are you implying that CPers are not capable of holding a civilized discussion on a controvercial topic in a forum whose stated purpose is to hold civilized discussions? To ban political discussion because of whatmayhappen is overly repressive and I find it reprehensible. I think therefore I am. -- Rene Descartes JimmyRopesI agree with all of your points.
"One must learn from the bite of the fire to leave it alone." - Native American Proverb
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Well, the soapbox is there, so it political discussions have somewhere to fit in already. Not all political discussions are rants. Some people are able to present considered political arguments without the need to resort to ranting. Others cannot and should limit their participation in any discussion, political or otherwise, to the soapbox. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Oh Jeez. Can you not even do simple logic... Don't be condescending. If you insist on ranting you should go to the soapbox where these kinds of comments belong. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Within the context of Code Project they are acceptable, with in the context of the Lounge they are NOT acceptable. It is very presumptuous that you are taking it on yourself to speak for the 2.2M members of code project. It might be a revelation to you but not everyone has the same opinion as you do about what is appropriate and what is not. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: The Soapbox is for political or religious discussions, stuff rated higher than PG etc. Therefore it (a political message) does fit somewhere else. Nowhere does it state that "The Soapbox is for political or religious discussions". Why are you trying to impose your assumptions on the rest of us. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Excerpt from algorithm to decide whethere to post in the Lounge: public bool ShouldIPostInTheLounge(string message) { if ((MessageIsPolitical(message)) || (MessageIsReligious(message)) || (MessageIsProgrammingQuestion(message)) || (MessageIsRated12OrAbove(message))) { return false; } // Other rules here..... } There you go being condescending again. It is very presumptuous that you should state these rules like they are engraved in stone. I for one do not believe that political discussion is necessarily adult in nature. The earlier young people are engaged in issues that affect their lives, in an age appropriate manner, the earlier they can start to consider the issues that are important to them for the rest of their lives. Religious messages are taught to young children every Friday, if you believe in Islam, Saturday, if you believe in Judaism, and Sunday if you believe in Christianity. Sorry to all the Hindu, Jainist, Buddhist, Taoist, etc., brethren for not mentioning you, you are not forgotten but for the p
JimmyRopes wrote: Not all political discussions are rants. Some people are able to present considered political arguments without the need to resort to ranting. True. It all depends on the individual(s) involved.
"One must learn from the bite of the fire to leave it alone." - Native American Proverb