A Bunch Of Crybabies?
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You're going off on a pointless tangent by saying, "Look, I'm better than you because I've used Linux and you've just used a Linux live cd." Well, I'm glad you feel proud of yourself that you can run Linux and know it better than I can. But you never once rebutted my points, Lauren. You don't hear us complaining about Linux, do you? This is what the original poster was getting at, your incessant whining about Microsoft. It's tiresome. What's more, your belittling attitude towards anyone not gung-ho about Linux is quite immature.
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and ur holier than thou fanboy bs is really tiresome too but i dont complain about it i raised the issue of my experience to make it clear i do know what im talking about as opposed to someone who has been involved in software development for ... how long judah? ur 22 so i guess 5 years maybe? ... and who has used a linux live cd (which incidentally windows cant do but never mind i digress) once or twice ... and yet u spout about how windows is superior to a product u know jack sh*t about?? go back to school please and get the self-righteous stick out of ur ass
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You're going off on a pointless tangent by saying, "Look, I'm better than you because I've used Linux and you've just used a Linux live cd." Well, I'm glad you feel proud of yourself that you can run Linux and know it better than I can. But you never once rebutted my points, Lauren. You don't hear us complaining about Linux, do you? This is what the original poster was getting at, your incessant whining about Microsoft. It's tiresome. What's more, your belittling attitude towards anyone not gung-ho about Linux is quite immature.
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Judah Himango wrote: You don't hear us complaining about Linux, do you? I don't know what world you live in, but people do complain about Linux and free software in general. Mainly out of fear for losing their jobs over it. By the way, you did complain about Linux. Why else would you mention your problems with recompilations and crappy GUIs? :) Good music: In my rosary[^]
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thats if u want to install from source ... u dont have to as all distros come with it already comiled in ... for free ur being argumentative on purpose so i wont proceed further with this thread ... go read some about linux before u start spouting rubbish for the fanboys ;)
l a u r e n wrote: go read some about linux before u start spouting rubbish And I'm being argumentative? Pots and kettles...
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I'm totally in agreement with you there, Robert. Your customers want Linux stuff, mine want Windows stuff (though admittedly, not Vista stuff since no one has it yet!), so, you do what you've got to do. I'm just tired of hearing all the junk about how Microsoft is so evil, bad, useless, etc. I'm sick of it. Maybe I read Slashdot too much. :-)
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-- modified at 13:08 Friday 16th September, 2005
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Bad example. Better example comes from some years ago when I first tried Linux. I never did get my video card working as I ran out of time after reading at least 5 seperate how-to guides on the x-windows setup(none of which ended up working even though my card was supported). I know that the open source developers have been working hard on it since then to make it easier to setup but along with ease of use also comes lack of security and there goes the main argument most Linux users have. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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Another good point. Does anyone know if the current version of GIMP will run flawlessly on the original distro of Debian/Red Hat/Mandrake?:~ ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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Bad example. Better example comes from some years ago when I first tried Linux. I never did get my video card working as I ran out of time after reading at least 5 seperate how-to guides on the x-windows setup(none of which ended up working even though my card was supported). I know that the open source developers have been working hard on it since then to make it easier to setup but along with ease of use also comes lack of security and there goes the main argument most Linux users have. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
ok lets compare this to windows 3.1 then shall we? modem drivers ... printer drivers ... video drivers ... sound drivers ... none would work easily then ... and dont get me started on trying to install a video card on my uncles pdp11 ... i couldnt even find the pci slot!! i thought we were talking about modern versions of the operating systems ;)
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l a u r e n wrote: thats cos its beta and u know it Simply not true. That text is from the page titled "Instructions for Installing and Setting Up OpenOffice.org 1.1.x". That is the stable release, isn't it? l a u r e n wrote: name calling Name calling? What? My point is that the Linux install is *much* more complex than the corresponding Windows install for the same product.
Graham Bradshaw wrote: My point is that the Linux install is *much* more complex than the corresponding Windows install for the same product. No. You're so off base it's borderline FUD. Any decent distribution has a package management system. Any decent GUI environment has GUI applications for maintaining the installed packages. In fact, they're like the "Add/Remove Programs" control panel applet, but on steroids. If you're going to bitch about Linux, then please, at least have a look in the KDE/Gnome-menus first. Please note that I don't particularly like Linux. But I try to keep my rants to something that I did not magically pulled out of my ass. Good music: In my rosary[^]
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"mom u have to get rid of that red hat thingy now cos they dont write software anymore ... they became mormons" "oh really? what will i do now?" "i'll install debian / suse / fedora / etc and put gnome back on it and u wont notice the difference" "ok ... how much will it cost me?" "same as the other one mom ... nothing" "oh ok ... what about all my documents?" "they will be fine cos we are using the same programs we just changed the distro" "do i need to know what a distro is?" "no mom" malaware ... linux doesnt have any ... period [edit] have u actually looked at gnome 2.12?? do u actually understand the concept of open source development? obviously not [/edit]
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biz stuff about me -- modified at 13:05 Friday 16th September, 2005Key thing here: "I'll set it up for you when I come home in a few weeks mom." With her Windows box 9 times out of 10 I can walk her through it on the phone. If I had to I could walk her through a complete install without any issues and I don't have to waste my gas getting there. All of this is pointless though because mom isn't running Linux because she doesn't see software on the shelf that she wants that is Linux only. When that happens then maybe she will. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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and ur holier than thou fanboy bs is really tiresome too but i dont complain about it i raised the issue of my experience to make it clear i do know what im talking about as opposed to someone who has been involved in software development for ... how long judah? ur 22 so i guess 5 years maybe? ... and who has used a linux live cd (which incidentally windows cant do but never mind i digress) once or twice ... and yet u spout about how windows is superior to a product u know jack sh*t about?? go back to school please and get the self-righteous stick out of ur ass
l a u r e n wrote: ur 22 so i guess 5 years maybe? ... It's considered an impolite question to ask a lady, but I'll bite. How old are you? How many years experience do you have? (From the look of the photo on the profile, you're not that old ;P )
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l a u r e n wrote: ur 22 so i guess 5 years maybe? ... It's considered an impolite question to ask a lady, but I'll bite. How old are you? How many years experience do you have? (From the look of the photo on the profile, you're not that old ;P )
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Judah Himango wrote: You don't hear us complaining about Linux, do you? I don't know what world you live in, but people do complain about Linux and free software in general. Mainly out of fear for losing their jobs over it. By the way, you did complain about Linux. Why else would you mention your problems with recompilations and crappy GUIs? :) Good music: In my rosary[^]
Oh come on now. I said, "you don't hear us complaining about xyz or abc". :)
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ok lets compare this to windows 3.1 then shall we? modem drivers ... printer drivers ... video drivers ... sound drivers ... none would work easily then ... and dont get me started on trying to install a video card on my uncles pdp11 ... i couldnt even find the pci slot!! i thought we were talking about modern versions of the operating systems ;)
Might be an issue with modern versions too. I don't know. Haven't tried installing it recently. Still trying to figure out how I can get ahold of this "free" operating system without paying someone $20 to send it to me:) ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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Might be an issue with modern versions too. I don't know. Haven't tried installing it recently. Still trying to figure out how I can get ahold of this "free" operating system without paying someone $20 to send it to me:) ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
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and ur holier than thou fanboy bs is really tiresome too but i dont complain about it i raised the issue of my experience to make it clear i do know what im talking about as opposed to someone who has been involved in software development for ... how long judah? ur 22 so i guess 5 years maybe? ... and who has used a linux live cd (which incidentally windows cant do but never mind i digress) once or twice ... and yet u spout about how windows is superior to a product u know jack sh*t about?? go back to school please and get the self-righteous stick out of ur ass
and yet u spout about how windows is superior to a product u know jack sh*t about?? ... go back to school please and get the self-righteous stick out of ur ass
I've said we're tired of hearing the Linux crowd complain about Windows, I haven't said Windows is superior. On the contrary, it is you who is pushing the idea of superiority: both yourself being superior to me, and Linux being superior to Windows. I think that says something of a person. But if the best you can do is curse at me, I have no rebuttle, and am done arguing with you.
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I started on Commodore PET (also in 1981). 16K RAM pack - you lucky so-and-so. I had 8K total system memory (and 1K of that went for the screen).
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Key thing here: "I'll set it up for you when I come home in a few weeks mom." With her Windows box 9 times out of 10 I can walk her through it on the phone. If I had to I could walk her through a complete install without any issues and I don't have to waste my gas getting there. All of this is pointless though because mom isn't running Linux because she doesn't see software on the shelf that she wants that is Linux only. When that happens then maybe she will. ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done.
no actually my mom couldnt install linux anymore than she could install windows ... and i could talk her thru it on the fone just as easily as installing windows as usual ur arguments are based on second hand information and general fud put out about linux ... when u have any first hand experience please call back to discuss ;)
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I started on Commodore PET (also in 1981). 16K RAM pack - you lucky so-and-so. I had 8K total system memory (and 1K of that went for the screen).
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and yet u spout about how windows is superior to a product u know jack sh*t about?? ... go back to school please and get the self-righteous stick out of ur ass
I've said we're tired of hearing the Linux crowd complain about Windows, I haven't said Windows is superior. On the contrary, it is you who is pushing the idea of superiority: both yourself being superior to me, and Linux being superior to Windows. I think that says something of a person. But if the best you can do is curse at me, I have no rebuttle, and am done arguing with you.
curse at u??? man u do come from a sheltered background ... i havnt even thought about cursing u out yet u made the point that linux is inferior ... ergo windows is superior ... and it isnt true and i called u out on it ... if u cant back up ur assertions then so be it
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Graham Bradshaw wrote: My point is that the Linux install is *much* more complex than the corresponding Windows install for the same product. No. You're so off base it's borderline FUD. Any decent distribution has a package management system. Any decent GUI environment has GUI applications for maintaining the installed packages. In fact, they're like the "Add/Remove Programs" control panel applet, but on steroids. If you're going to bitch about Linux, then please, at least have a look in the KDE/Gnome-menus first. Please note that I don't particularly like Linux. But I try to keep my rants to something that I did not magically pulled out of my ass. Good music: In my rosary[^]
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: a look in the KDE/Gnome-menus I have. We use Fedora Core 3 here. To clarify - are you saying that the recommended (by the OO people) way to install OO is as simple as it is for Windows?