The rise of neosocialist extremism in Germany
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(1) The "neosocialist 'Linke'" did NOT exist 3 years ago. You are comparing to the results of the PDS which was virtually "unelectable" in west germany. So: doubled votes by quadrupling target audience. What a danger! (2) The greens are dominated by the Realo wing, which is dominated by conservative preservative regulators (rather than bearded pinko hippie treehuggers) (3) The SPD is as far from red as a non-functional traffic light. Under Schroeder, they became more a "center people's party", than a red threat. (4) The FDP - closest to your ideas of economy - increased from 7.5 to 10% (5) The Neonazi sinks (REP and NPD) have only marginal results at least get your facts right. But with one thing you are right: there are no good options on the table.
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenWell, those are the facts, I got nothing to add. But will Tomyboy spend a minute to read it...? _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, as I'm still trying to learn your language! -- modified at 4:54 Monday 19th September, 2005
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Tomaž Štih wrote: The grand coalition of Social Democrats and Christian Democrats - similar to coalition of reps and dems in the States - will block any meaningful reform in Germany and might lead to even bigger collapse of economy, which will increase extremism in four years and protectionism Let's abolish Democracy, this threat against liberalism! Tomaž Štih wrote: Perhaps the time has come to think about opening myself some options in the new world across the Atlantic Hasta la vista, baby!
fat_boy wrote: I've got plenty of opinions, if you don't like them I've got plenty more
K(arl) wrote: Tomaž Štih wrote: think about opening myself some options in the new world across the Atlantic Hey Karl, do you know what that means? *dancing through the office* He's leaving! :-D Next time we'll be able to elect who we want to elect without some guy talking crap about democracy just because he doesn't like the result. :cool: Soon the soapbox will be cleaner! :rolleyes: _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, as I'm still trying to learn your language!
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K(arl) wrote: Tomaž Štih wrote: think about opening myself some options in the new world across the Atlantic Hey Karl, do you know what that means? *dancing through the office* He's leaving! :-D Next time we'll be able to elect who we want to elect without some guy talking crap about democracy just because he doesn't like the result. :cool: Soon the soapbox will be cleaner! :rolleyes: _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, as I'm still trying to learn your language!
:jig::jig::jig:, :beer::beer::beer:! Nah, to be honest, I think Tomaž' opinions are useful...they word quite well what I don't want to happen :-D
fat_boy wrote: I've got plenty of opinions, if you don't like them I've got plenty more
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Alexander, I actually travel to Germany quite often, have friends there (I used to live in Munich) and scan your news - I know what I am talking about. Perhaps your tolerance of leftist extremism is very high and you don't perceive certain acts as extreme? Linke is definitely extreme party and I belive Germany should find itself in international isolation if Linke helps shape the govermnent. Tomaz
I think that very few people in Germany are truly willing to see the neosocialist to access power. However, many Germans are protesting against the more representative leaders. We have such things in France with people voting the extreme right party just to tell politicians they are worried about the important and completely unmanaged immigration we have got. People do not actually go back to the franc or leave the EEC...
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Impressive map, I didn't realize there was such a North-South fracture. Why didn't Dresden vote?
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K(arl) wrote: Why didn't Dresden vote? The candidate for Dresden of the NPD died less than two weeks ago, so they had to 1) let the NPD nominate a new candidate and then 2) reprint the ballots and restart the postal vote, so the whole voting in that part of Dresden had to be delayed.
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K(arl) wrote: Why didn't Dresden vote? The candidate for Dresden of the NPD died less than two weeks ago, so they had to 1) let the NPD nominate a new candidate and then 2) reprint the ballots and restart the postal vote, so the whole voting in that part of Dresden had to be delayed.
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Arnd H. wrote: The candidate for Dresden of the NPD died less than two weeks ago :jig: / :cool:, :beer:!
fat_boy wrote: I've got plenty of opinions, if you don't like them I've got plenty more
It's not really laughing matter (she leaves two kids behind) but it always cracks me up: she suffered a brain stroke during a NPD rally :rolleyes:
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
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Well, those are the facts, I got nothing to add. But will Tomyboy spend a minute to read it...? _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, as I'm still trying to learn your language! -- modified at 4:54 Monday 19th September, 2005
I still don't know who to vote for. (And whether my vote really matters in the larger scheme of things :rolleyes: )
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
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K(arl) wrote: Tomaž Štih wrote: think about opening myself some options in the new world across the Atlantic Hey Karl, do you know what that means? *dancing through the office* He's leaving! :-D Next time we'll be able to elect who we want to elect without some guy talking crap about democracy just because he doesn't like the result. :cool: Soon the soapbox will be cleaner! :rolleyes: _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, as I'm still trying to learn your language!
There is a difference between assuring a place in a lifeboat and deserting the ship. You know us, libertarian conservatives. We're stubborn. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight in Germany. We shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our taxes, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender! Tomaz
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I still don't know who to vote for. (And whether my vote really matters in the larger scheme of things :rolleyes: )
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering.
aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie"
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygenAccording to Spiegel Online, your vote really counts: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,375430,00.html Entscheiden die Dresdner die Wahl? Die Wirrungen des deutschen Wahlrechts könnten skurrile Ergebnisse hervorbringen: Wenn zu viele die CDU wählen, verlöre sie ein Mandat. The difference between Red and Black is so small that one or two mandates can decide who'll become chancellor. :cool: _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, as I'm still trying to learn your language! -- modified at 15:39 Monday 19th September, 2005
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There is a difference between assuring a place in a lifeboat and deserting the ship. You know us, libertarian conservatives. We're stubborn. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight in Germany. We shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our taxes, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender! Tomaz
That means you never know when a things are over... _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, as I'm still trying to learn your language!
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That means you never know when a things are over... _________________________________ Please inform me about my English mistakes, as I'm still trying to learn your language!
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Classical liberalism is gaining ground in Europe. In Germany the FDP had a huge increase in votes and was voted third largest party. The trouble is that neosocialist extremists have gained power too and this is a threat to democracy and peace. It is good to know that in Germany not even totalitarian media control via public television system worked for the left. It is bad that people who would not be fulled anymore divided to two groups - moderate liberal reformists on one side and die hard militant extremists, supporting their sacred public television and neosocialist agenda to the grave on the other. Germany itself is a country divided, positions are quite similar to the cold war and the left is benefiting from decades of communist brainstorming on the east. There is still a clear boundary between free world and neosocialist quagimire; Berlin wall still stands in minds of people - and I don't mean people like me. Here's the result of "are you for more personal responsibility" poll: http://www.stern.de/politik/perspektivedeutschland/index.html?id=523002&p=4&nv=ct_cb&eid=501574[^] Here are the voters of the extreme neosocialist Linke. Click on the Linkspartei on the right to get the voters: http://www.spiegel.de/flash/0,5532,11922,00.html[^] Tomaz