Open Source
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Just wondering about something that really bothers me with open source. Ok i've heard how you write open source software and than sell services while giving away the software for free. Would this not be the same as ford giving away cars and trucks, and than selling warranties, parts, and services?? See it seems crazy when applied to cars and trucks yet tons of developers argue with me that 100's of hours of work should be given away just for the heck of it to help open source. This just seems crazy to me or maybe i'm not getting it. For example Tivo HME sdk is really cool and let's say i wrote an app that uses it and it is really popular, now i just invested countless hours but because the sdk is on sourceforge and anything i write using it has to be open source, i can't sell the product. Maybe it's just me but woudn't that kill inovation. Oh wait i forgot mortgages car payments, bills those are just getting in the way of working all day for free just to better the society of open source. I don't know like i said maybe i'm just missing something here.
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Just wondering about something that really bothers me with open source. Ok i've heard how you write open source software and than sell services while giving away the software for free. Would this not be the same as ford giving away cars and trucks, and than selling warranties, parts, and services?? See it seems crazy when applied to cars and trucks yet tons of developers argue with me that 100's of hours of work should be given away just for the heck of it to help open source. This just seems crazy to me or maybe i'm not getting it. For example Tivo HME sdk is really cool and let's say i wrote an app that uses it and it is really popular, now i just invested countless hours but because the sdk is on sourceforge and anything i write using it has to be open source, i can't sell the product. Maybe it's just me but woudn't that kill inovation. Oh wait i forgot mortgages car payments, bills those are just getting in the way of working all day for free just to better the society of open source. I don't know like i said maybe i'm just missing something here.
If you weren't saying those things on a web site dedicated to sharing code and knowledge.
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Just wondering about something that really bothers me with open source. Ok i've heard how you write open source software and than sell services while giving away the software for free. Would this not be the same as ford giving away cars and trucks, and than selling warranties, parts, and services?? See it seems crazy when applied to cars and trucks yet tons of developers argue with me that 100's of hours of work should be given away just for the heck of it to help open source. This just seems crazy to me or maybe i'm not getting it. For example Tivo HME sdk is really cool and let's say i wrote an app that uses it and it is really popular, now i just invested countless hours but because the sdk is on sourceforge and anything i write using it has to be open source, i can't sell the product. Maybe it's just me but woudn't that kill inovation. Oh wait i forgot mortgages car payments, bills those are just getting in the way of working all day for free just to better the society of open source. I don't know like i said maybe i'm just missing something here.
I must be in a ranting mood. Here goes. Oh, for Pete's sakes. The friggin' software is free. What do you want??? And yes, I'm offered extended warranties on just about anything I buy (except maybe TP), so your car analogy is BS. nlecren wrote: now i just invested countless hours but because the sdk is on sourceforge and anything i write using it has to be open source, i can't sell the product. That's right. What the heck is your problem with that? Buy a license for the SDK to sell your product commercially then. Just like you'd buy a license if you were buying a commercial SDK. The advantage to the open source one is you can see the source! (Or, you can pay a couple thousand $$$ more to get the source from commmercial vendors. Which one is it?) Or more to the point, if you don't like the fact that open source is GPL'd, then don't use it!!! nlecren wrote: Maybe it's just me but woudn't that kill inovation. No, quite the opposite. It's a free world. People have choices. Are you going to tell me I can't write code and put it on the Internet for free because it kills innovation? Riiiight. So, I would conclude that you think Code Project and the thousands of articles here kill innovation??? Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
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Just wondering about something that really bothers me with open source. Ok i've heard how you write open source software and than sell services while giving away the software for free. Would this not be the same as ford giving away cars and trucks, and than selling warranties, parts, and services?? See it seems crazy when applied to cars and trucks yet tons of developers argue with me that 100's of hours of work should be given away just for the heck of it to help open source. This just seems crazy to me or maybe i'm not getting it. For example Tivo HME sdk is really cool and let's say i wrote an app that uses it and it is really popular, now i just invested countless hours but because the sdk is on sourceforge and anything i write using it has to be open source, i can't sell the product. Maybe it's just me but woudn't that kill inovation. Oh wait i forgot mortgages car payments, bills those are just getting in the way of working all day for free just to better the society of open source. I don't know like i said maybe i'm just missing something here.
nlecren wrote: Maybe it's just me but woudn't that kill inovation. No: that would make all the inovation free, in the worst scenario.
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Just wondering about something that really bothers me with open source. Ok i've heard how you write open source software and than sell services while giving away the software for free. Would this not be the same as ford giving away cars and trucks, and than selling warranties, parts, and services?? See it seems crazy when applied to cars and trucks yet tons of developers argue with me that 100's of hours of work should be given away just for the heck of it to help open source. This just seems crazy to me or maybe i'm not getting it. For example Tivo HME sdk is really cool and let's say i wrote an app that uses it and it is really popular, now i just invested countless hours but because the sdk is on sourceforge and anything i write using it has to be open source, i can't sell the product. Maybe it's just me but woudn't that kill inovation. Oh wait i forgot mortgages car payments, bills those are just getting in the way of working all day for free just to better the society of open source. I don't know like i said maybe i'm just missing something here.
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Just wondering about something that really bothers me with open source. Ok i've heard how you write open source software and than sell services while giving away the software for free. Would this not be the same as ford giving away cars and trucks, and than selling warranties, parts, and services?? See it seems crazy when applied to cars and trucks yet tons of developers argue with me that 100's of hours of work should be given away just for the heck of it to help open source. This just seems crazy to me or maybe i'm not getting it. For example Tivo HME sdk is really cool and let's say i wrote an app that uses it and it is really popular, now i just invested countless hours but because the sdk is on sourceforge and anything i write using it has to be open source, i can't sell the product. Maybe it's just me but woudn't that kill inovation. Oh wait i forgot mortgages car payments, bills those are just getting in the way of working all day for free just to better the society of open source. I don't know like i said maybe i'm just missing something here.
nlecren wrote: For example Tivo HME sdk is really cool and let's say i wrote an app that uses it and it is really popular, now i just invested countless hours but because the sdk is on sourceforge and anything i write using it has to be open source, i can't sell the product. Well, you didn't pay for the Tivo HME sdk, right? If you wanted to sell your killer app that uses the Tivo HME sdk, couln't you just negotiate with the creators of it to purchase a commercial license for it?
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Just wondering about something that really bothers me with open source. Ok i've heard how you write open source software and than sell services while giving away the software for free. Would this not be the same as ford giving away cars and trucks, and than selling warranties, parts, and services?? See it seems crazy when applied to cars and trucks yet tons of developers argue with me that 100's of hours of work should be given away just for the heck of it to help open source. This just seems crazy to me or maybe i'm not getting it. For example Tivo HME sdk is really cool and let's say i wrote an app that uses it and it is really popular, now i just invested countless hours but because the sdk is on sourceforge and anything i write using it has to be open source, i can't sell the product. Maybe it's just me but woudn't that kill inovation. Oh wait i forgot mortgages car payments, bills those are just getting in the way of working all day for free just to better the society of open source. I don't know like i said maybe i'm just missing something here.
nlecren wrote: I don't know like i said maybe i'm just missing something here. Yeah, you are. There's a forum search you can use find all the instances where this has been rehashed here in the past. Not trying to be rude, but your question is pretty much the first one that gets asked about F/OS, and also the first one answered.
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If you weren't saying those things on a web site dedicated to sharing code and knowledge.
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I must be in a ranting mood. Here goes. Oh, for Pete's sakes. The friggin' software is free. What do you want??? And yes, I'm offered extended warranties on just about anything I buy (except maybe TP), so your car analogy is BS. nlecren wrote: now i just invested countless hours but because the sdk is on sourceforge and anything i write using it has to be open source, i can't sell the product. That's right. What the heck is your problem with that? Buy a license for the SDK to sell your product commercially then. Just like you'd buy a license if you were buying a commercial SDK. The advantage to the open source one is you can see the source! (Or, you can pay a couple thousand $$$ more to get the source from commmercial vendors. Which one is it?) Or more to the point, if you don't like the fact that open source is GPL'd, then don't use it!!! nlecren wrote: Maybe it's just me but woudn't that kill inovation. No, quite the opposite. It's a free world. People have choices. Are you going to tell me I can't write code and put it on the Internet for free because it kills innovation? Riiiight. So, I would conclude that you think Code Project and the thousands of articles here kill innovation??? Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
Well it appears that everyone is not getting my overall point, im not here to kill open source im just saying that how do these open source developers live?? Do they write software for free all night and then bag groceries during the day to pay the bills???
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Just wondering about something that really bothers me with open source. Ok i've heard how you write open source software and than sell services while giving away the software for free. Would this not be the same as ford giving away cars and trucks, and than selling warranties, parts, and services?? See it seems crazy when applied to cars and trucks yet tons of developers argue with me that 100's of hours of work should be given away just for the heck of it to help open source. This just seems crazy to me or maybe i'm not getting it. For example Tivo HME sdk is really cool and let's say i wrote an app that uses it and it is really popular, now i just invested countless hours but because the sdk is on sourceforge and anything i write using it has to be open source, i can't sell the product. Maybe it's just me but woudn't that kill inovation. Oh wait i forgot mortgages car payments, bills those are just getting in the way of working all day for free just to better the society of open source. I don't know like i said maybe i'm just missing something here.
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nlecren wrote: I don't know like i said maybe i'm just missing something here. Yeah, you are. There's a forum search you can use find all the instances where this has been rehashed here in the past. Not trying to be rude, but your question is pretty much the first one that gets asked about F/OS, and also the first one answered.
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Well it appears that everyone is not getting my overall point, im not here to kill open source im just saying that how do these open source developers live?? Do they write software for free all night and then bag groceries during the day to pay the bills???
nlecren wrote: Well it appears that everyone is not getting my overall point, It would help if you had one... nlecren wrote: im just saying that how do these open source developers live?? Do they write software for free all night and then bag groceries during the day to pay the bills??? Who cares? It's not my business... I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
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Sample code and tutorials are one thing but full blown applications that's what i am getting at
nlecren wrote: Sample code and tutorials are one thing but full blown applications Care to expand a bit? Why? Not to mention that there are plenty of full blown applications available here.
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What i am gathering here is that people are pretty angry at me for suggesting that software developers get paid. I wasn't aware that we are doing non-profit work:mad:.
nlecren wrote: What i am gathering here is that people are pretty angry at me for suggesting that software developers get paid. No, you were trolling about OSS, on a comunity dedicated to knowledge sharing. If you're about to post a rant against OSS, you could at least point a few good reasons for that, not just conjectures. Not to mention this has been discussed for ages now... You're like, 3 or 5 years late...
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Just wondering about something that really bothers me with open source. Ok i've heard how you write open source software and than sell services while giving away the software for free. Would this not be the same as ford giving away cars and trucks, and than selling warranties, parts, and services?? See it seems crazy when applied to cars and trucks yet tons of developers argue with me that 100's of hours of work should be given away just for the heck of it to help open source. This just seems crazy to me or maybe i'm not getting it. For example Tivo HME sdk is really cool and let's say i wrote an app that uses it and it is really popular, now i just invested countless hours but because the sdk is on sourceforge and anything i write using it has to be open source, i can't sell the product. Maybe it's just me but woudn't that kill inovation. Oh wait i forgot mortgages car payments, bills those are just getting in the way of working all day for free just to better the society of open source. I don't know like i said maybe i'm just missing something here.
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What i am gathering here is that people are pretty angry at me for suggesting that software developers get paid. I wasn't aware that we are doing non-profit work:mad:.
No, that's not it. It's not just black or white, but shades of grey. Open source, free software has its place, just as closed-source, propietary software also has its place. -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
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You really don't need to say anything... we all know! :-D -- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico Not much here: My CP Blog!
The amount of sleep the average person needs is five more minutes. -- Vikram A Punathambekar, Aug. 11, 2005
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l a u r e n wrote: *says nothing* Which says everything.... :laugh:;P _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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nlecren wrote: Sample code and tutorials are one thing but full blown applications Care to expand a bit? Why? Not to mention that there are plenty of full blown applications available here.
The main thing i'm getting at is how can people write software for free as a living. Maybe as a hobby but that would be an expensive one for sure in terms of hours. Applications here on cp are geared towards helping developers which is fine and great. I suspect however that applications requiring hundreds of man hours would not just be given away here for free maybe i am wrong but if that's the case how do those same people pay the bills. I can't imagine people program all night long to give stuff away and then go do another non-programming job to pay bills. Perhaps i am living in a bizzaro world where one tries to get paid for his/her profession. I'm not however trying to trash people who leave source code and articles on cp to help others. But one cannot survive on giving away work all the time
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What i am gathering here is that people are pretty angry at me for suggesting that software developers get paid. I wasn't aware that we are doing non-profit work:mad:.
The world is very complex and there are more than one way to sell or distribute a project. I get reimbursed for my hours, I have minimal intellectual rights to my products, and my employer cannot charge any federal government entity (no matter who, large or small) for anything more than distribution or training for my software. However, if someone want changes, they pay for them by contract. So is my software open-source? well... I am being paid for maintenance, code-changes, the software is freely distributed (although limited access), it is identical to many OSS distributions the difference is that mine is not available to the general public. But this type of distribution existed long before OSS was officially started. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)