An Islamic guide on how to beat your wife
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A.A. wrote: Because we all know this honor killing business is related to Islam. Killings, beating all related. I do agree with you here. This honor killing business is related to Islam. A.A. wrote: Go reread the article I gave you... According to the article the answer is YES. Can you anser the question with a yes or no answer?
kgaddy wrote: A.A. wrote: Because we all know this honor killing business is related to Islam. Killings, beating all related. I do agree with you here. This honor killing business is related to Islam. A.A. wrote: Go reread the article I gave you... According to the article the answer is YES. Can you anser the question with a yes or no answer? Per what you wrote in the above quote, it seems you have a hard time distinguishing between things, so the answer will do you little good. Quran Translation Intro Discover
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A.A. wrote: In two seconds?! Luck would have it the time is posted on each post. It took me a bout 5 minutes to read. The posts are 9 minutes apart. Plenty of time. Where did you get 2 seconds BTW? Did you just make it up?
kgaddy wrote: Luck would have it the time is posted on each post. It took me a bout 5 minutes to read. Yet I am getting a post difference of 3 minutes. And taking into account CP's stellar slow speed plus response... I was trying to see why you missed some of the points in the article. Quran Translation Intro Discover
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kgaddy wrote: Luck would have it the time is posted on each post. It took me a bout 5 minutes to read. Yet I am getting a post difference of 3 minutes. And taking into account CP's stellar slow speed plus response... I was trying to see why you missed some of the points in the article. Quran Translation Intro Discover
A.A. wrote: Yet I am getting a post difference of 3 minutes. And taking into account CP's stellar slow speed plus response... http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1240620&forumid=2605#xx1240620xx to http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1240620&forumid=2605#xx1240620xx is nine minutes A.A. wrote: I was trying to see why you missed some of the points in the article. I did not miss them. I just took it as trying to tone down the meaning of beating your wife for all us infidels sake. Do you really belive it means a lite hit with a toothbrush? ....right
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kgaddy wrote: A.A. wrote: Because we all know this honor killing business is related to Islam. Killings, beating all related. I do agree with you here. This honor killing business is related to Islam. A.A. wrote: Go reread the article I gave you... According to the article the answer is YES. Can you anser the question with a yes or no answer? Per what you wrote in the above quote, it seems you have a hard time distinguishing between things, so the answer will do you little good. Quran Translation Intro Discover
A.A. wrote: Per what you wrote in the above quote, it seems you have a hard time distinguishing between things, so the answer will do you little good. Thats what I thought. Not man enough to answer because you know thw anwser is "yes" and you cannot bear to say it. Good luck in life, if you cannot be honest because of pride, your gonna need luck.
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A.A. wrote: Yet I am getting a post difference of 3 minutes. And taking into account CP's stellar slow speed plus response... http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1240620&forumid=2605#xx1240620xx to http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1240620&forumid=2605#xx1240620xx is nine minutes A.A. wrote: I was trying to see why you missed some of the points in the article. I did not miss them. I just took it as trying to tone down the meaning of beating your wife for all us infidels sake. Do you really belive it means a lite hit with a toothbrush? ....right
kgaddy wrote: Yet I am getting a post difference of 3 minutes. And taking into account CP's stellar slow speed plus response... http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1240620&forumid=2605#xx1240620xx to http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1240620&forumid=2605#xx1240620xx is nine minutes They both seem to be the same link, I am still getting 3, any whatever who cares. kgaddy wrote: I did not miss them. I just took it as trying to tone down the meaning of beating your wife for all us infidels sake. Do you really belive it means a lite hit with a toothbrush? ....right You mean because there is a Hadith specific to that. Wait so you want to teach me what my religion says, because your colored glasses shows you something else? Islam is not going to change something, just so you are appeased. Quran Translation Intro Discover
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Wow I read you link: Quote: "However, in some cases a husband may use some light disciplinary action in order to correct the moral infraction of his wife, but this is only applicable in extreme cases and it should be resorted to if one is sure it would improve the situation. However, if there is a fear that it might worsen the relationship or may wreak havoc on him or the family, then he should avoid it completely. " nice Just confirmed what I believed.
Well, to be fair, that isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of wife beating.
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Well, to be fair, that isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of wife beating.
Shog9 wrote: Well, to be fair, that isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of wife beating. What would be a ringing endorsement? "Beat the sh!t out of your wife until she shuts the f@#$ up"? The guy is trying to sugarcoat wife beating, but still does not deny it. It's ok in extream cases? You can justfy anthing with thoses standards.
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A.A. wrote: Per what you wrote in the above quote, it seems you have a hard time distinguishing between things, so the answer will do you little good. Thats what I thought. Not man enough to answer because you know thw anwser is "yes" and you cannot bear to say it. Good luck in life, if you cannot be honest because of pride, your gonna need luck.
kgaddy wrote: Thats what I thought. Not man enough to answer because you know thw anwser is "yes" and you cannot bear to say it. Is your mom still in prision? Same kind of question. kgaddy wrote: Good luck in life, if you cannot be honest because of pride, your gonna need luck. I'll do some introspection on my part, but I have a great feeling that its your the one with the pride problem. Quran Translation Intro Discover
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kgaddy wrote: Yet I am getting a post difference of 3 minutes. And taking into account CP's stellar slow speed plus response... http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1240620&forumid=2605#xx1240620xx to http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1240620&forumid=2605#xx1240620xx is nine minutes They both seem to be the same link, I am still getting 3, any whatever who cares. kgaddy wrote: I did not miss them. I just took it as trying to tone down the meaning of beating your wife for all us infidels sake. Do you really belive it means a lite hit with a toothbrush? ....right You mean because there is a Hadith specific to that. Wait so you want to teach me what my religion says, because your colored glasses shows you something else? Islam is not going to change something, just so you are appeased. Quran Translation Intro Discover
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kgaddy wrote: Thats what I thought. Not man enough to answer because you know thw anwser is "yes" and you cannot bear to say it. Is your mom still in prision? Same kind of question. kgaddy wrote: Good luck in life, if you cannot be honest because of pride, your gonna need luck. I'll do some introspection on my part, but I have a great feeling that its your the one with the pride problem. Quran Translation Intro Discover
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You still have not answered the question, you have been jumping everywhere. Yes or No. Does Islam permit wife beating...yes or no.
kgaddy wrote: Yes or No. Does Islam permit wife beating...yes or no. ring a bell when you get an honest answer. Mike "We ain't stuck on stupid." badass Lt. General Russel Honore **"Remember - live bunnies are a great source of nourishment"**silly-assed cartoon
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You still have not answered the question, you have been jumping everywhere. Yes or No. Does Islam permit wife beating...yes or no.
kgaddy wrote: You still have not answered the question, you have been jumping everywhere. Yes or No. Does Islam permit wife beating...yes or no. From the article for the reading impaired. "...Such a measure is more accurately described as a gentle tap on the body, but never on the face, making it more of a symbolic measure than a punitive one." If its more than that the answer is no. In fact beating as in the dictionary, the answer will be NO. Now get over it. :doh: Quran Translation Intro Discover
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kgaddy wrote: You still have not answered the question, you have been jumping everywhere. Yes or No. Does Islam permit wife beating...yes or no. From the article for the reading impaired. "...Such a measure is more accurately described as a gentle tap on the body, but never on the face, making it more of a symbolic measure than a punitive one." If its more than that the answer is no. In fact beating as in the dictionary, the answer will be NO. Now get over it. :doh: Quran Translation Intro Discover
A.A. wrote: gentle tap So, the man you quoted says gentle tap, but the iman from Spain says "The blows" Which one is correct. Or does it matter if you are talking with infidels or fellow musilums? Why not come out and say it's a wrong custom that should be left in the middle ages. Why try to justify and cling on to this pratice? BTW the answer is yes. I guess the next question is what does beating mean?
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kgaddy wrote: You still have not answered the question, you have been jumping everywhere. Yes or No. Does Islam permit wife beating...yes or no. From the article for the reading impaired. "...Such a measure is more accurately described as a gentle tap on the body, but never on the face, making it more of a symbolic measure than a punitive one." If its more than that the answer is no. In fact beating as in the dictionary, the answer will be NO. Now get over it. :doh: Quran Translation Intro Discover
Dictionary.com: # 1. To strike repeatedly. 2. To subject to repeated beatings or physical abuse; batter. 3. To punish by hitting or whipping; flog.
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A.A. wrote: gentle tap So, the man you quoted says gentle tap, but the iman from Spain says "The blows" Which one is correct. Or does it matter if you are talking with infidels or fellow musilums? Why not come out and say it's a wrong custom that should be left in the middle ages. Why try to justify and cling on to this pratice? BTW the answer is yes. I guess the next question is what does beating mean?
kgaddy wrote: So, the man you quoted says gentle tap, but the iman from Spain says "The blows" Translated from the language they speak there, or did he write it in English. Seriously get over it. kgaddy wrote: Which one is correct. Or does it matter if you are talking with infidels or fellow musilums? Islam more than any other religion does not go around tayloring what it says based upon who is listening. But then again you seem to be one of those "Islamic experts". kgaddy wrote: BTW the answer is yes. I guess the next question is what does beating mean? And this seems to be the bottom line, no matter what the real answer is, your hate for Islam is so deep it skews your everything you see about Islam/Muslims. Muslim chews gum, oh look at those Muslims how can they! Quran Translation Intro Discover
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Shog9 wrote: Well, to be fair, that isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of wife beating. What would be a ringing endorsement? "Beat the sh!t out of your wife until she shuts the f@#$ up"? The guy is trying to sugarcoat wife beating, but still does not deny it. It's ok in extream cases? You can justfy anthing with thoses standards.
kgaddy wrote: The guy is trying to sugarcoat wife beating, but still does not deny it. And what? He gave you a link that pretty much spells out the attitude towards it: allowed, but discouraged. Don't get me wrong - i'm none too impressed with this sort of thing, and there are plenty of reports of violence against women coming from Islamic countries... But sadly, there are plenty of 'em coming from much, much closer as well. The sad truth of the matter is, there seems to be plenty of enthusiasm for violence towards women all over, with or without printed "guidelines".
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A.A. wrote: gentle tap So, the man you quoted says gentle tap, but the iman from Spain says "The blows" Which one is correct. Or does it matter if you are talking with infidels or fellow musilums? Why not come out and say it's a wrong custom that should be left in the middle ages. Why try to justify and cling on to this pratice? BTW the answer is yes. I guess the next question is what does beating mean?
The Quran is the literal word of God, dictated by the prophet, and therefore infallible. Hence the difficulty in dropping the scary dark age morality. Mormons will probably have similar issues in a few hundred years (and their prophet had golden tablets in a top hat - way more convincing than some unsupported angel stories), if they ain't already. Ryan
O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold Are but a cheat contrived by men of old, Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust And died in baseness—and their law is dust. al-Ma'arri (973-1057)
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kgaddy wrote: So, the man you quoted says gentle tap, but the iman from Spain says "The blows" Translated from the language they speak there, or did he write it in English. Seriously get over it. kgaddy wrote: Which one is correct. Or does it matter if you are talking with infidels or fellow musilums? Islam more than any other religion does not go around tayloring what it says based upon who is listening. But then again you seem to be one of those "Islamic experts". kgaddy wrote: BTW the answer is yes. I guess the next question is what does beating mean? And this seems to be the bottom line, no matter what the real answer is, your hate for Islam is so deep it skews your everything you see about Islam/Muslims. Muslim chews gum, oh look at those Muslims how can they! Quran Translation Intro Discover
A.A. wrote: your hate for Islam is so deep it skews your everything you see about Islam/Muslims. Not true, until a couple years ago I did not even think about Islam. And to be honest, I believe there are many good Muslims. But, I do believe there if a bunch of crazy teaching going on in the Islam world. All I want is for the good Muslims to take on the crazy ones. Below is what I have a problem with. I would love for you to tell me the following are wrong, but you will not. You will try to sugar coat them and justify them. A Muslim cannot be put to death for the murder of an unbeliever. (According to clause #14 of Prophet's Medina-Charter, proudly claimed by Sharia-proponents as "The First Written Constitution in the World". 2. A Muslim man is allowed to beat his wife or wives. - Qura'anic dictum. 3. A Muslim man is allowed to have four wives at one time. - Qura'anic dictum 4. A Muslim man can divorce his wife or wives instantaneously. Then he can marry a new set of wives and continue the cycle. - Corollary of Qura'anic dictum. 5. A Muslim woman must pay money to the husband by court orders to have the marriage dissolved. - Faulty human development on Qura'anic dictum.. 6. If a divorced couple wants to remarry each other, the wife must marry another person, must have complete sex with him and must be divorced by him willingly. - Qura'anic dictum. 7. The evidence required in a case of adultery is that of four Muslim adult men - Faulty human development on Qura'anic dictum. 8. Women's testimony is not accepted in cases of adultery or in any capital offence. - Faulty human development. 9. Evidence of a female singer and slave (male or female) is not admissible. - Faulty human development. 10. Testimony of a non-Muslim that has been punished for false accusation is inadmissible. If s/he later becomes a Muslim, her/his evidence is then admissible. -Faulty human development. 11. The Judge of the Court shall be a Muslim. The Judge may be a non-Muslim only if the accused is a non-Muslim. -Faulty human development. 12. Adoption is not allowed in Sharia. - Faulty human development on Qura'anic dictum. 13. Custody of children goes to mother as long as the kids need care, normally 9 years for boys and 7 for girls, after which the father takes over. But if the mother does not pray or gets married, the kids immediately go to the father. - Faulty human development. 14. Women inherit half of men. - Faulty human development on Qura'anic dictum.. 15. W
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kgaddy wrote: The guy is trying to sugarcoat wife beating, but still does not deny it. And what? He gave you a link that pretty much spells out the attitude towards it: allowed, but discouraged. Don't get me wrong - i'm none too impressed with this sort of thing, and there are plenty of reports of violence against women coming from Islamic countries... But sadly, there are plenty of 'em coming from much, much closer as well. The sad truth of the matter is, there seems to be plenty of enthusiasm for violence towards women all over, with or without printed "guidelines".