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chimera967 wrote: however i've started having panic attacks and i'm scared to death of doing it. Visualize the audience naked. Rather than Valium, look up Dale Carnegie. He has a lot of advice on giving speeches. Good advice. Including how to manage your stress. (Hopefully there's stuff on the Internet. I took a couple courses, so my experience was more "direct"). Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
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Panic attacks are more than just having stress or anxiety. A person that suffers from panic attacks cannot control it by stress-reducing situations. It's a physical response of the body, not a psychological one. Danny
bugDanny wrote: It's a physical response of the body, not a psychological one. But isn't it the body reacting to the psychology of the situation? Meaning, the state of mind induces the physical reaction? Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
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bugDanny wrote: It's a physical response of the body, not a psychological one. But isn't it the body reacting to the psychology of the situation? Meaning, the state of mind induces the physical reaction? Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
Marc Clifton wrote: But isn't it the body reacting to the psychology of the situation? Meaning, the state of mind induces the physical reaction? Partially. I don't know a whole a lot about the actual physics of panic attacks, but one of the responses by Colin (I think it's Colin) seemed pretty accurate. The person has a minor stress or fear, and the body has a physical reaction to it with an increase of heart rate and breathing. This is what happens for all of us, but for those with panic attacks they can't control it after that. The panic attack sort of feeds off of itself. The increase in their heart rate, etc., produces more fear and stress, which increases their heart rate and breathing.... Perhaps, just perhaps, if she were completely able to reduce all anxiety, it might not be a problem, but even experienced speakers have a little bit of anxiety before and/or during a speech. I know some of the psychology behind it because my wife used to have panic attacks. Believe me, it is scary to watch. No amount of calming techniques seemed to work to stop or mediate the panic attack response. Thankfully, it does seem to be a thing you can grow out of, in some cases! :) Danny
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what you want to make his situation worse? LOL
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Panic attacks are more than just having stress or anxiety. A person that suffers from panic attacks cannot control it by stress-reducing situations. It's a physical response of the body, not a psychological one. Danny
Your answer is partially true. However, panic attacks are brought on by the neurological activity taking place within the brain. That technically means it is psycholocial in nature which manefests itself physically. Essentially, it's a brain chemistry bug. Been there, done that!
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Two things... First, you are going to need to practice both alone and in front of a few folks a couple of times. You can use coworkers or friends. It doesn't really matter. Make sure you have something prepared. It can be as elaborate as a script or as simple as bullet points hand written on index cards. I used to be petrified when I had to speak before a large group. What you will find is that once you get past the initial jitters it gets very easy. Generally, most of the folks in your audience want to see you succeed because everyone (almost) has the same fear! Second, I've suffered from panic attacks periodically since I was a teenager. To make a long story short... They are generally induced by a stressful event or an accumulation of daily stress. Short of medication (And valium is not the answer. It's usually treated with SSRI's) the best thing you can do is recognize it for what it is and try to ignore the physical affects. I empathize with what your going through because I've been there on both accounts. Don't worry! Because you know the subject, your instincts will kick in and you'll do fine!!
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Your answer is partially true. However, panic attacks are brought on by the neurological activity taking place within the brain. That technically means it is psycholocial in nature which manefests itself physically. Essentially, it's a brain chemistry bug. Been there, done that!
Paul Lyons, CCPL
Certified Code Project LurkerOkay. Like I noted in one of my posts, I don't know a whole lot about the actual chemistry of it. My wife had panic attacks, so I know some about what happens. Paul Lyons wrote: panic attacks are brought on by the neurological activity taking place within the brain. That technically means it is psycholocial in nature which manefests itself physically. I guess this might be right. Not meaning to just mince words but, I got this from dictionary.com: "psychological adj 1: mental or emotional as opposed to physical in nature;" Myself, I would rate the neurological activity, at that level, as you said it's a brain chemitry bug, I would rate that as physical, the way somebody thinks and feels, not at the physical neuron level, seems like psychological to me. My point is, those that suffer from panic attacks usually can't control it by just trying to control their stress. A panic attack can happen for no reason at almost any time. The post for this thread she mentioned just going through the normal activity of grocery shopping brought on a panic attack. Admittedly, there can be a little stress in affording food nowadays, but the point was, knowing she's having or going to have a stressful reaction most likely won't help her stop from having that reaction, it will probably increase her chances. Like you said, it's a brain chemistry bug. X| Danny
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Shog9 wrote: or maybe doing a bit of VB6 coding I'd recommend an installshield session. (This week I "only" had to search a function, add two lines, build, and test five or so scenarios. I spent over an hour cursing like a farting sailorette.
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Marc Clifton wrote: But isn't it the body reacting to the psychology of the situation? Meaning, the state of mind induces the physical reaction? Partially. I don't know a whole a lot about the actual physics of panic attacks, but one of the responses by Colin (I think it's Colin) seemed pretty accurate. The person has a minor stress or fear, and the body has a physical reaction to it with an increase of heart rate and breathing. This is what happens for all of us, but for those with panic attacks they can't control it after that. The panic attack sort of feeds off of itself. The increase in their heart rate, etc., produces more fear and stress, which increases their heart rate and breathing.... Perhaps, just perhaps, if she were completely able to reduce all anxiety, it might not be a problem, but even experienced speakers have a little bit of anxiety before and/or during a speech. I know some of the psychology behind it because my wife used to have panic attacks. Believe me, it is scary to watch. No amount of calming techniques seemed to work to stop or mediate the panic attack response. Thankfully, it does seem to be a thing you can grow out of, in some cases! :) Danny
bugDanny wrote: Partially. I don't know a whole a lot about the actual physics of panic attacks, but one of the responses by Colin (I think it's Colin) seemed pretty accurate. The person has a minor stress or fear, and the body has a physical reaction to it with an increase of heart rate and breathing. You work through it using the same treatment methods of phobia. Phobia's are in a sense a directed panic attack, a true phobia induces a physical panic attack in the individual resulting in a state that the individual can no longer control. The first reaction is avoidance rather than cure. Avoidance prevents the "reaction" by avoiding the cause. Truely working through it means small-steps.... It takes strength of will and determination, you start small and work your way up until the event no-longer causes a panic attack. Panic attacks and PTSD are getting to be common enough issues than more people are there to help. Of course not everyone agrees with the methods.... there are a few "doctors" that will tell you only to tap your wrist. It is a relaxation technique, and sometimes works with panic attacks, but PTSD is the next level above and you are actually trapped in a past event repeating it -- there is no "now" but it has all the physical symptoms of a panic attack. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)