Life after death. (just for fun)
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Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: If this were the case would you live your life differently? No, because I already came to that conclusion for myself.
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Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
joshfl wrote: Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? No, as I know there is no life after death or God bullshit so my belief structure (or lack there of) doesn't change. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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No, no, it is in JWood's left kidney, not mine. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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So basically, death is the end of the exam? :~ -- Look straight into the light!
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I am curious why a belief in a higher-power makes someone act better than without it? If you believe in an accounting for every action that you have done, then it tends to shape your actions. The stronger the belief the more influence on behaviour. Ofcourse there are different levels, so a person might say they believe something but they don't really take it to heart, then there are others who have a stronger belief and before any action might think what the ramifications of their actions are. Quran Translation Intro Discover
Maybe the more relevant question is just why the morals handed down by the higher being are accepted as "better"? I could argue that a lot of the rules foisted by religions are just plain silly and my common sense approach to social interactions is much better. At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
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Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
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joshfl wrote: Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? No, as I know there is no life after death or God bullshit so my belief structure (or lack there of) doesn't change. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Imagine for a moment that we were able as humans to conclude that there was no life after death. (ie, no divine judgement, etc. im talking /dev/null here) If this were the case would you live your life differently? I speak in a little known dialect of English called Josh. It is the spoken language of all people governed by the sovereign entity known as Josh. Please do not try to correct it, as I speak perfect Josh. Legalize Marijuana
While I don't believe in another life for me after my death, because others will live here on Earth after me, I try to minimise my impact on it so that there will be something good of it left for them to enjoy. Not following a religion doesn't absolve you of responsibility for the effect of your actions on future generations. Wasn't it a native American who said something along the lines of: "We don't only inherit the Earth from our parents, we borrow it from our children."?
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bugDanny wrote: Doesn't your belief in a higher power make you act better than you would without it? I am curious why a belief in a higher-power makes someone act better than without it? There are examples of people who have acted shamefully citing that a "higher power" told them it was right.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: There are examples of people who have acted shamefully citing that a "higher power" told them it was right. Yeah, I guess you're right, but I was referring to the non-psychos whose belief in a higher power makes them feel accountable to someone other than themselves. Although there are many who claim to be Christian, or whatever religion, and then go out and act like they don't think anyone's watching them. I was referring to those that believe in a higher power and so try to conform their lives in a way that would render a good judgement. Without that, we have selfishness, because who else are we then accountable to but ourselves, and that leads us nowhere. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!
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Maybe the more relevant question is just why the morals handed down by the higher being are accepted as "better"? I could argue that a lot of the rules foisted by religions are just plain silly and my common sense approach to social interactions is much better. At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.
Tim Craig wrote: I could argue that a lot of the rules foisted by religions are just plain silly Agreed. But are we talking about religions that put forth things apart from the Bible? There are many, many religions that claim to follow the Bible, but really impose standards and traditions of their own making. The moral guidelines and principles set forth in the Bible are perfect. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!
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Well can I come down on you for your tagline instead? bugDanny wrote: The stupidity of others amazes me! It's kind of arrogant, you know...puts me in mind of Dorothy Parker's response to some sycophant who tried to impress her by saying "I can't bear fools!" She replied: "How odd - your mother obviously could!" Doesn't your Font of All Wisdom say something about stones and glass houses...? Emotional Fred
Fred_Smith wrote: Well can I come down on you for your tagline instead? bugDanny wrote: The stupidity of others amazes me! It's kind of arrogant I agree. It is kind of arrogant. That's why it was meant as a joke. :laugh: Apparently you didn't get it. :laugh: I like the Dorothy Parker quote though. Fred_Smith wrote: Doesn't your Font of All Wisdom say something about stones and glass houses...? I don't know what you're talking about. Font of All Wisdom? Stones and glass houses? Must be a different religion than the one I belong to. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote: Out of curiousity, do you not believe in God because you don't believe in life after death? I actually believe in God, but not in life after death. Don't believe in God or life after death. Can't see him, can't touch and non of this speaking in tongues voices in the head shit either. He just don't exist and is an artificial crutch for the weak minded. What sort of cock sucker would create creatures in his own image and then piss on them for eternity cause a couple didn't meet is fucked up requirements. Even if I buy into this everyone's free to fuck up and pay in the after life bullshit, why do rape and pedophile victims have to suffer their entire life whiile the perpetrators cop their shit from God after they die. A loving and compassionate God wouldn't allow people to suffer barbaric shit from someone else like happens all the time. Where's his fucking pillar of salt now? Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote: Out of curiousity, do you not believe in God because you don't believe in life after death? I actually believe in God, but not in life after death. Don't believe in God or life after death. Can't see him, can't touch and non of this speaking in tongues voices in the head shit either. He just don't exist and is an artificial crutch for the weak minded. What sort of cock sucker would create creatures in his own image and then piss on them for eternity cause a couple didn't meet is fucked up requirements. Even if I buy into this everyone's free to fuck up and pay in the after life bullshit, why do rape and pedophile victims have to suffer their entire life whiile the perpetrators cop their shit from God after they die. A loving and compassionate God wouldn't allow people to suffer barbaric shit from someone else like happens all the time. Where's his fucking pillar of salt now? Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Put that way, of course it's difficult to believe in God. But I'm not talking about God in the judgement sense. I'm talking about God as a higher power. It's possible (definite for me :) ) that there is a God and s/he's not actually judging us for our actions but is studying us to see how far we'll evolve. In which case, everything you said is not God's fault, but our own. Second, when people talk about God, they always think of the religion definition of God and not the Supreme Being concept of him/her. For all we know, the Universe is alive (God) and is taking notes on us. "If only one person knows the truth, it is still the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi Web - Blog - RSS - Math
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: There are examples of people who have acted shamefully citing that a "higher power" told them it was right. Yeah, I guess you're right, but I was referring to the non-psychos whose belief in a higher power makes them feel accountable to someone other than themselves. Although there are many who claim to be Christian, or whatever religion, and then go out and act like they don't think anyone's watching them. I was referring to those that believe in a higher power and so try to conform their lives in a way that would render a good judgement. Without that, we have selfishness, because who else are we then accountable to but ourselves, and that leads us nowhere. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!
bugDanny wrote: I was referring to those that believe in a higher power and so try to conform their lives in a way that would render a good judgement. Like Tony Blair and George W. Bush? bugDanny wrote: who else are we then accountable to but ourselves What about the law?
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bugDanny wrote: I was referring to those that believe in a higher power and so try to conform their lives in a way that would render a good judgement. Like Tony Blair and George W. Bush? bugDanny wrote: who else are we then accountable to but ourselves What about the law?
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Like Tony Blair and George W. Bush? Um, no. I'm not gonna go there. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: bugDanny wrote: who else are we then accountable to but ourselves What about the law? So you only hold yourself accountable to the law? By that decree, you're not accountable unless you get caught. How many terrible crimes have been committed with that philosophy? You're still not holding yourself accountable. For example, if one were accountable only to the law, then one would speed, drive recklessly, etc, etc, as long as the police weren't around, but as soon as no law enforcement can see you, watch out! However, if one hold himself to higher standards due to an accountability to our Creator, then one will try to act on those standards no matter what humans are around. And I'm sure we all would agree that our law is far from the greatest. How many criminals are being let on the loose through our legal system? I'd have to disagree with you on that point. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Like Tony Blair and George W. Bush? Um, no. I'm not gonna go there. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: bugDanny wrote: who else are we then accountable to but ourselves What about the law? So you only hold yourself accountable to the law? By that decree, you're not accountable unless you get caught. How many terrible crimes have been committed with that philosophy? You're still not holding yourself accountable. For example, if one were accountable only to the law, then one would speed, drive recklessly, etc, etc, as long as the police weren't around, but as soon as no law enforcement can see you, watch out! However, if one hold himself to higher standards due to an accountability to our Creator, then one will try to act on those standards no matter what humans are around. And I'm sure we all would agree that our law is far from the greatest. How many criminals are being let on the loose through our legal system? I'd have to disagree with you on that point. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!
bugDanny wrote: So you only hold yourself accountable to the law? Well, that is the thing that ensures I don't speed or drive recklessly - that, and the fact that I would like to stay alive. bugDanny wrote: How many terrible crimes have been committed with that philosophy? I would guess none. Because the people who committed these terrible crimes are not holding themselves accountable to the law. They have to be caught first. bugDanny wrote: if one hold himself to higher standards due to an accountability to our Creator, then one will try to act on those standards Yup. I always try to do my best because I do not want to disappoint my parents. bugDanny wrote: And I'm sure we all would agree that our law is far from the greatest But, it is what we have, and we must do the best we can with it. bugDanny wrote: How many criminals are being let on the loose through our legal system? Well, that depends. If they are put in the custody of "Reliance" quite a lot because they are a completely useless custodial company. bugDanny wrote: I'd have to disagree with you on that point. Fair enough. Each of us is entitled to our own opinion. bugDanny wrote: The stupidity of others amazes me! Yup. That is absolutely true. Other people are truely stupid. :-D
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bugDanny wrote: So you only hold yourself accountable to the law? Well, that is the thing that ensures I don't speed or drive recklessly - that, and the fact that I would like to stay alive. bugDanny wrote: How many terrible crimes have been committed with that philosophy? I would guess none. Because the people who committed these terrible crimes are not holding themselves accountable to the law. They have to be caught first. bugDanny wrote: if one hold himself to higher standards due to an accountability to our Creator, then one will try to act on those standards Yup. I always try to do my best because I do not want to disappoint my parents. bugDanny wrote: And I'm sure we all would agree that our law is far from the greatest But, it is what we have, and we must do the best we can with it. bugDanny wrote: How many criminals are being let on the loose through our legal system? Well, that depends. If they are put in the custody of "Reliance" quite a lot because they are a completely useless custodial company. bugDanny wrote: I'd have to disagree with you on that point. Fair enough. Each of us is entitled to our own opinion. bugDanny wrote: The stupidity of others amazes me! Yup. That is absolutely true. Other people are truely stupid. :-D
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Well, that is the thing that ensures I don't speed or drive recklessly - that, and the fact that I would like to stay alive. I can think of many situations where, for example, people will drive in ways that, while technically breaking the law, they believe there's no danger to their lives. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I would guess none. Because the people who committed these terrible crimes are not holding themselves accountable to the law. They are living by your philosophy that if we are only accountable to the law, then if the law doesn't see it, it's all right. When they're caught, they are, supposedly, held accountable to the law.... if they are caught. [Edit] I forgot to add, that even if people really do 'hold themselves accountable to the law', the law doesn't really govern how we act and treat other people in our personal lives. I mean, I could totally ignore my parents, strangers needing help, etc., for example, and what would the law do to me? But if we hold ourselves to higher standards, because we're accountable, then we would treat everyone we meet with love and respect. [/Edit] Colin Angus Mackay wrote: bugDanny wrote: if one hold himself to higher standards due to an accountability to our Creator, then one will try to act on those standards Yup. I always try to do my best because I do not want to disappoint my parents. Most people tend to realize that they're parents are not the 'higher (divine?) beings' that they thought they were when they turn, like, twelve. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: bugDanny wrote: And I'm sure we all would agree that our law is far from the greatest But, it is what we have, and we must do the best we can with it. Actually, if you would have read my earlier post, we also have the high standards as set forth in the Bible. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Well, that depends. If they are put in the custody of "Reliance" quite a lot because they are a completely useless custodial company. I have no idea what you are talking about. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Yup. That is absolutely true. Other people are truely stupid. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Danny The stupidity of others amazes me! -- modified at 14:30 Monday 3rd October, 2005
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Life after death.. what a concept. If there's life after death, then why do we die? All religions more or less tell us how to live our life, and what will happen after we die. But none, that I'm aware of, tells us why we have to die. Wouldn't it pointless to die, eventhough we'd live after death? :~ -- Look straight into the light!
The Bible explains it thus, though I could go into it further if you wish (drop me an email): God created Adam and Eve to live forever. He put them in a paradise and told them to cultivate the rest of the earth into a paradise and to procreate and populate the earth. God put upon them just one restriction: Do not eat of the tree in the middle of the garden. This was called the tree of Good and Bad, because it symbolized God's right to choose what was good and bad for mankind. Satan, an angel created perfect, cultivated improper desires and wanted mankind to worship him, instead of God. So he told Eve that she would not die if she ate of the fruit, that she would be like God, knowing Good and Bad. This was the first lie which, as you have pointed out, many religions still tell when they say that the soul continues on after death, for example. So Eve, and later Adam, ate of the tree, deliberately choosing to rule themselves, wishing to choose for themselves what was good and what was bad. But God did not lie, and eventually they did die, as does all their descendants, all of mankind, because we all inherited sin and death from them. Death is the end. Ecclesiastes points out that "The living are concious that they will die, but the dead are conscious of nothing at all." Also, the Psalmists writes that there is no devising in Sheol (the common grave of mankind). But God does care for mankind. Satan opened a couple of challenges against God, one main challenge being that mankind would be better off ruling themselves. God has allowed the last 6,000 years or so to prove that no, mankind cannot rule themselves. He offers two prospects for mankind, though. A limited number, as mentioned in the book of Revelation, are chosen to be kings and priests and rule in heaven with Jesus. For the rest of us, God will soon bring an end to this wicked world and there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous for man to live here on earth in a paradise. For reason of brevity, I left out many of the supporting scriptures. If you want more discussion on this Jorgen, feel free to email me. I hope this answers your question about why we die. It's all because God told man that they would die if they disobeyed him, and so we do. It is a lie started by Satan saying that we don't die and that death is just an entrance to a better (or worse) life. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Well, that is the thing that ensures I don't speed or drive recklessly - that, and the fact that I would like to stay alive. I can think of many situations where, for example, people will drive in ways that, while technically breaking the law, they believe there's no danger to their lives. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: I would guess none. Because the people who committed these terrible crimes are not holding themselves accountable to the law. They are living by your philosophy that if we are only accountable to the law, then if the law doesn't see it, it's all right. When they're caught, they are, supposedly, held accountable to the law.... if they are caught. [Edit] I forgot to add, that even if people really do 'hold themselves accountable to the law', the law doesn't really govern how we act and treat other people in our personal lives. I mean, I could totally ignore my parents, strangers needing help, etc., for example, and what would the law do to me? But if we hold ourselves to higher standards, because we're accountable, then we would treat everyone we meet with love and respect. [/Edit] Colin Angus Mackay wrote: bugDanny wrote: if one hold himself to higher standards due to an accountability to our Creator, then one will try to act on those standards Yup. I always try to do my best because I do not want to disappoint my parents. Most people tend to realize that they're parents are not the 'higher (divine?) beings' that they thought they were when they turn, like, twelve. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: bugDanny wrote: And I'm sure we all would agree that our law is far from the greatest But, it is what we have, and we must do the best we can with it. Actually, if you would have read my earlier post, we also have the high standards as set forth in the Bible. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Well, that depends. If they are put in the custody of "Reliance" quite a lot because they are a completely useless custodial company. I have no idea what you are talking about. Colin Angus Mackay wrote: Yup. That is absolutely true. Other people are truely stupid. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Danny The stupidity of others amazes me! -- modified at 14:30 Monday 3rd October, 2005
bugDanny wrote: Most people tend to realize that they're parents are not the 'higher (divine?) beings' that they thought they were when they turn, like, twelve. I never said that my parents were "higher" or "divine" beings. I agreed that they were my creator. bugDanny wrote: if you would have read my earlier post, we also have the high standards as set forth in the Bible If you would have read my earlier post you will see that I already said that there is a lot of good advice in the bible. However, some of it is totally disagreeable: An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth - Exodus. Please don't use the argument that it is in the Old Testament so it isn't valid any more as I hear so many Christians saying these days. If it isn't valid then why is the Old Testament still part of the bible. bugDanny wrote: I have no idea what you are talking about. It was a reference to the prison system being run by private companies who are out to make a profit and accidentally release convicted murderers while holding in prison for several days someone who was supposed to be released with just a parking fine to pay.
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Tim Craig wrote: I could argue that a lot of the rules foisted by religions are just plain silly Agreed. But are we talking about religions that put forth things apart from the Bible? There are many, many religions that claim to follow the Bible, but really impose standards and traditions of their own making. The moral guidelines and principles set forth in the Bible are perfect. Danny The stupidity of others amazes me!
bugDanny wrote: But are we talking about religions that put forth things apart from the Bible? I was thinking ESPECIALLY the bible. It's inconsistent, contradictory, and to make anything out of it, you have to provide your own interpretation. Why not just take what makes some sense out of it and say it makes sense for its own sake rather that saying it makes sense because it has divine provenance? The rest is rubbish or archaic at best and toss it in the dust bin of time rather than worshipping something that impedes progress. At any given instant there are considerably more assholes than mouths in the universe.