To take up the job or not? -- Advice please
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I got an offer from a healthcare related company in sept. with a start date for mid oct. and last thursday they called me up and told me that their IT dept had to go thru some structural changes etc... and they are trying to reconfigure budgets and I might not be hired. They call back on monday and say everything is sorted out and that I can come as planned. Please advice on if it would be wise for us (my wife and I) to leave two stable jobs and move 1000 miles for his job which pays about 20k lesser than our combined salaries right now. Also, when i call up tommorow what questions should I ask to make sure that these changes/budget problems will not rise again.
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I got an offer from a healthcare related company in sept. with a start date for mid oct. and last thursday they called me up and told me that their IT dept had to go thru some structural changes etc... and they are trying to reconfigure budgets and I might not be hired. They call back on monday and say everything is sorted out and that I can come as planned. Please advice on if it would be wise for us (my wife and I) to leave two stable jobs and move 1000 miles for his job which pays about 20k lesser than our combined salaries right now. Also, when i call up tommorow what questions should I ask to make sure that these changes/budget problems will not rise again.
Well based on what you have told us, why on earth would you do this anyways? Are your jobs that boring? Does your wife plan to find new work? Do you have any fall back money? Given the way things are right now, I think I'd be pretty damn cautious, especially if it involves a move that big. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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I got an offer from a healthcare related company in sept. with a start date for mid oct. and last thursday they called me up and told me that their IT dept had to go thru some structural changes etc... and they are trying to reconfigure budgets and I might not be hired. They call back on monday and say everything is sorted out and that I can come as planned. Please advice on if it would be wise for us (my wife and I) to leave two stable jobs and move 1000 miles for his job which pays about 20k lesser than our combined salaries right now. Also, when i call up tommorow what questions should I ask to make sure that these changes/budget problems will not rise again.
Pete Madden wrote: Please advice on if it would be wise for us (my wife and I) to leave two stable jobs and move 1000 miles for his job which pays about 20k lesser than our combined salaries right now. That is a decision only you and your wife can discuss. You gave almost no information to even offer advice. So... given that and hypothetically speaking (since I have no partner), what I would do is to start an unranked list of pros and cons, and my wife do the same independantly and separately. This way you don't influence each other even with the "what ever you want honey, I don't mind" which hurts both of you in time. After both have made the lists, discuss them. Things to think about within that list: 1) Cost of living change (up or down) 2) Environment, whether you have kids, or want kids in the future, you should examine the school and living environment of both. 3) Taxes and insurance costs (these should be in cost of living, but most people forget about them) 4) Crime rates 5) health care 6) your wife may choose to look for work and bring that back up, (or may look forward to not working -- this is another reason why I said make the lists separately). 7) whether or not your budgets can survive a 20k (or more) cut and how much margin for unexpected cost of living changes or moving costs are there. 8) ANYTHING else that is important to either of you (distance to friends/family or frequency of power problems, doesn't matter, anything means anything) Now, with all that included that 20k may be more or less important. Under NO circumstances should the lists be critisized. Even if you think it is not as important as her, or vice versa, the fact that it is important to one of you means it should be discussed not critisized. Combine the two lists and agree on a rank as part of the discussion. But the entire decision should be about what both of you think, not any of us. If you inject our advice into a family conversation, you are going to put a match to a slow burning bon-fire. _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I got an offer from a healthcare related company in sept. with a start date for mid oct. and last thursday they called me up and told me that their IT dept had to go thru some structural changes etc... and they are trying to reconfigure budgets and I might not be hired. They call back on monday and say everything is sorted out and that I can come as planned. Please advice on if it would be wise for us (my wife and I) to leave two stable jobs and move 1000 miles for his job which pays about 20k lesser than our combined salaries right now. Also, when i call up tommorow what questions should I ask to make sure that these changes/budget problems will not rise again.
Do not take the job. It sounds very unstable. You could be let go the next time they need to reconfigure budgets, and unless you have other jobs lined up for your and your wife, it could be disastrous. If you need more money, you might **carefully** sound out your current employer for a raise. They may give you one since another company was interested in paying your more. (I'm basing this on what you say about the new job paying 20K less than combined salaries and the hope that your wife makes more than 20K in her current job.) I was involved with healthcare technology for a while and had dealings with Cerner, McKessonHBOC and IDX. None of them impressed me much. As far as questions to ask, I'd ask a bunch of financial questions about their stability, about the long-term plans for the position you'd occupy, and some pointed questions regarding their budgeting process. Also, you might want to negotiate a severance package and return relocation if you want to move back to where you were.
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I got an offer from a healthcare related company in sept. with a start date for mid oct. and last thursday they called me up and told me that their IT dept had to go thru some structural changes etc... and they are trying to reconfigure budgets and I might not be hired. They call back on monday and say everything is sorted out and that I can come as planned. Please advice on if it would be wise for us (my wife and I) to leave two stable jobs and move 1000 miles for his job which pays about 20k lesser than our combined salaries right now. Also, when i call up tommorow what questions should I ask to make sure that these changes/budget problems will not rise again.
Does not sound really stable to me. You might just open the door to be unemployed. If stability in your career is not important to you, then you might have some fun. Otherwise, stay with what you have or find another place that is mroe stable. I have heard Microsoft is hiring, and they are a bit stable ;) Seriously, I would not take such a job. If they are playing with budgets and you job was on the block before you even started work, you know what may be in store for your future. Rocky <>< Latest Post: Can you publish VS.NET 2005 B2 to production servers? Blog: www.RockyMoore.com/TheCoder/[^]
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Well based on what you have told us, why on earth would you do this anyways? Are your jobs that boring? Does your wife plan to find new work? Do you have any fall back money? Given the way things are right now, I think I'd be pretty damn cautious, especially if it involves a move that big. ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
Yep, our jobs are boring ... I had considered this position as I was looking for some medical/healthcare domain knowledge along with programming experience. Right now I am making 40K and my wife 36K. The new job offers me 60K. Also, we are expecting our first child in nov. and my wife might not be able to work after that leaving us with my 40K only. I have never been to any budget meetings etc. and so was looking to see if any experienced folks could guide me in this situation. I mean the company should have set aside funds to pay the 60K in the first place but then again they were honest about it (at least that's the information the HR gave me) so I am assuming that a few things were miscalculated and hence led to the chaos. What would you do or how would you get more information from them in such situations?
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Yep, our jobs are boring ... I had considered this position as I was looking for some medical/healthcare domain knowledge along with programming experience. Right now I am making 40K and my wife 36K. The new job offers me 60K. Also, we are expecting our first child in nov. and my wife might not be able to work after that leaving us with my 40K only. I have never been to any budget meetings etc. and so was looking to see if any experienced folks could guide me in this situation. I mean the company should have set aside funds to pay the 60K in the first place but then again they were honest about it (at least that's the information the HR gave me) so I am assuming that a few things were miscalculated and hence led to the chaos. What would you do or how would you get more information from them in such situations?
Pete Madden wrote: I have never been to any budget meetings etc. and so was looking to see if any experienced folks could guide me in this situation. This sucks. It's the poorest excuse for dropping your salary offer. The company budget is not your problem and is not an acceptable reason for they to drop your salary(offer). As much as your personal budget is not their problem ("hey, boss, I want to buy this cool new car, could you raise my salary?"), they cannot change an offer based on "company budget". Pete Madden wrote: What would you do or how would you get more information from them in such situations? Explain to them in this way: "I understand that you have your budget problems, but you should understand that I have mine too. I need money as I'll have a child in november, and my wife probably won't work anymore. I know, this is not your problem, but the bottom line is that I cannot accept any offer lower than (put here a value a bit higher than your lower)." I don't see dead pixels anymore... Yes, even I am blogging now!
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I got an offer from a healthcare related company in sept. with a start date for mid oct. and last thursday they called me up and told me that their IT dept had to go thru some structural changes etc... and they are trying to reconfigure budgets and I might not be hired. They call back on monday and say everything is sorted out and that I can come as planned. Please advice on if it would be wise for us (my wife and I) to leave two stable jobs and move 1000 miles for his job which pays about 20k lesser than our combined salaries right now. Also, when i call up tommorow what questions should I ask to make sure that these changes/budget problems will not rise again.
not sure I totally agree with the others. Health-care is a fairly big industry and once you have a job I would suggest that it would be pretty secure - more so than smaller private companies for example. Also they had the courtesy to call you and warn you that it might be a no-go. I've heard of lots of companies that hire people on only to reduce their conditions after they've joined. From what you've said it sounds like the company is doing its upmost to keep itself stable with its current set of employees - so once you joined you would also be under this protective umbrella. go for it! james
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I got an offer from a healthcare related company in sept. with a start date for mid oct. and last thursday they called me up and told me that their IT dept had to go thru some structural changes etc... and they are trying to reconfigure budgets and I might not be hired. They call back on monday and say everything is sorted out and that I can come as planned. Please advice on if it would be wise for us (my wife and I) to leave two stable jobs and move 1000 miles for his job which pays about 20k lesser than our combined salaries right now. Also, when i call up tommorow what questions should I ask to make sure that these changes/budget problems will not rise again.
Oviously there are two choices, 1) take the job or 2) stay where you are. Since you said that your wife is expecting right now, that adds a lot more importance to your decision. Since you are still considering the job, I think it is imperitive that you call your recruiter and find out everything you can about the situation. 1) What exactly happened 2) were people fired/laid-off 3) Why was this not taken into consideration before the hire offer any other questions that you can think of. Again, do not be shy. You do not want to get into a situation that you thought was good during you visits to the company only to find out that the reorganizational changes have created a bad environment. If you decide that this change is worth the risk I would still do the following 1) Give you current employer a full two weeks notice, or more if you can. Tell them it is strictly a financial decision since your wife is expecting and you will need to compensate for lost income. See if there are other more exciting positions within the company to alleviate the boring problem. 2) Circulate your resume again in 6 months if you get the raise or take the new job. As far as loyalty to the new company - they demonstrated where there loyalty is, unless things are really exciting and challenging once you get there, keep looking around for other opportunities. IF you get a raise with this company and find yourself with another offer in 6 months that you want to take - just explain that you finances are still not sufficient and that the new job is offering more pay and new experiences.
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Yep, our jobs are boring ... I had considered this position as I was looking for some medical/healthcare domain knowledge along with programming experience. Right now I am making 40K and my wife 36K. The new job offers me 60K. Also, we are expecting our first child in nov. and my wife might not be able to work after that leaving us with my 40K only. I have never been to any budget meetings etc. and so was looking to see if any experienced folks could guide me in this situation. I mean the company should have set aside funds to pay the 60K in the first place but then again they were honest about it (at least that's the information the HR gave me) so I am assuming that a few things were miscalculated and hence led to the chaos. What would you do or how would you get more information from them in such situations?
Pete Madden wrote: Right now I am making 40K and my wife 36K. The new job offers me 60K. You mentioned that the new job is 1000 miles away from your current residence. Have you compared the cost of living in your new destination. This can amount to 20-25% difference. Consider local and state taxes, cost of insurance, housing costs ( either rental or purchase ) , and property taxes. This expense is often greater than you would expect. Richard Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain