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    jamesthurley
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    Hey everyone, I hope this isn't too off-topic. I'm very keen to develop software for the Xbox 360, and ideally I'd want to do it in C#. At the moment neither of those things are possible though. From what I've read, Microsoft is planning to open up development of the console, but I'm not sure by how much. I haven't read anything about them porting .NET to the Xbox 360 at all. So my plan is to find out how many people share my interest, and to try and get a petition going to get some support for the idea. Here is my text for the petition at the moment... if people could tell me what they think, what I should change, etc, I'd be really greatful. Once I've got enough feedback, I'll stick it up on PetitionOnline.com and try and get a good number of signatures. Once again, sorry if it's off topic... this seemed like the best place to find interested people. ---------------- Xbox 360 Development with the .NET Framework Petition "At this time, access to development tools for the Xbox 360 video game console is limited to developers working on approved titles for licensed publishers. This will change over time..." [1] This petition is to encourage Microsoft to use the Xbox 360 console to promote .NET development, and in turn encourage developers (both professionals and hobbyists) to create games and applications that would run on the Xbox 360 under the .NET CLR. This would allow any developer to exploit the power of the Xbox 360 and its convenient location in the living room without being hindered by requirements such as backing from a publisher or distribution costs. Using the .NET framework gives a secure and isolated sandbox for applications to run in, which can be used to safeguard the Xbox 360 and the owner's data against malicious or buggy code. An example of how this could be achieved is as follows: The Xbox 360 Dashboard could have an "Xbox 360 Addons" area. This area could integrate with a site such as GotDotNet.com to allow Xbox 360 users to browse, download, rate and potentially buy .NET applications that have been written specifically for the Xbox 360. The user could run these applications in the knowledge that the .NET sandbox provided by the Xbox 360 would protect their console from malicious code, and return them safely to the Dashboard should the application crash. Should an application hang (e.g. in an infinite loop) a special button (for example the Start button) could bring up a menu to terminate the application and return to the Dashboard. For extra securit

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      Hey everyone, I hope this isn't too off-topic. I'm very keen to develop software for the Xbox 360, and ideally I'd want to do it in C#. At the moment neither of those things are possible though. From what I've read, Microsoft is planning to open up development of the console, but I'm not sure by how much. I haven't read anything about them porting .NET to the Xbox 360 at all. So my plan is to find out how many people share my interest, and to try and get a petition going to get some support for the idea. Here is my text for the petition at the moment... if people could tell me what they think, what I should change, etc, I'd be really greatful. Once I've got enough feedback, I'll stick it up on PetitionOnline.com and try and get a good number of signatures. Once again, sorry if it's off topic... this seemed like the best place to find interested people. ---------------- Xbox 360 Development with the .NET Framework Petition "At this time, access to development tools for the Xbox 360 video game console is limited to developers working on approved titles for licensed publishers. This will change over time..." [1] This petition is to encourage Microsoft to use the Xbox 360 console to promote .NET development, and in turn encourage developers (both professionals and hobbyists) to create games and applications that would run on the Xbox 360 under the .NET CLR. This would allow any developer to exploit the power of the Xbox 360 and its convenient location in the living room without being hindered by requirements such as backing from a publisher or distribution costs. Using the .NET framework gives a secure and isolated sandbox for applications to run in, which can be used to safeguard the Xbox 360 and the owner's data against malicious or buggy code. An example of how this could be achieved is as follows: The Xbox 360 Dashboard could have an "Xbox 360 Addons" area. This area could integrate with a site such as GotDotNet.com to allow Xbox 360 users to browse, download, rate and potentially buy .NET applications that have been written specifically for the Xbox 360. The user could run these applications in the knowledge that the .NET sandbox provided by the Xbox 360 would protect their console from malicious code, and return them safely to the Dashboard should the application crash. Should an application hang (e.g. in an infinite loop) a special button (for example the Start button) could bring up a menu to terminate the application and return to the Dashboard. For extra securit

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      Wjousts
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      An interesting idea, but I don't think you'll get very far with it. The problem is the Microsoft (and Sony for that matter) sell consoles at a loss and make up the money by licensing games. If people could write and sell their own stuff for the xbox without giving Microsoft their cut then Microsoft would lose money. From what I've heard Sony's latest PSP firmware upgrade did, amongst other things, lock out a lot of hacks that people had been using to write their own PSP apps. Sony doesn't get a cut from homebrewed apps so they don't want them on the PSP. Microsoft will no doubt take the same stance.

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        Hey everyone, I hope this isn't too off-topic. I'm very keen to develop software for the Xbox 360, and ideally I'd want to do it in C#. At the moment neither of those things are possible though. From what I've read, Microsoft is planning to open up development of the console, but I'm not sure by how much. I haven't read anything about them porting .NET to the Xbox 360 at all. So my plan is to find out how many people share my interest, and to try and get a petition going to get some support for the idea. Here is my text for the petition at the moment... if people could tell me what they think, what I should change, etc, I'd be really greatful. Once I've got enough feedback, I'll stick it up on PetitionOnline.com and try and get a good number of signatures. Once again, sorry if it's off topic... this seemed like the best place to find interested people. ---------------- Xbox 360 Development with the .NET Framework Petition "At this time, access to development tools for the Xbox 360 video game console is limited to developers working on approved titles for licensed publishers. This will change over time..." [1] This petition is to encourage Microsoft to use the Xbox 360 console to promote .NET development, and in turn encourage developers (both professionals and hobbyists) to create games and applications that would run on the Xbox 360 under the .NET CLR. This would allow any developer to exploit the power of the Xbox 360 and its convenient location in the living room without being hindered by requirements such as backing from a publisher or distribution costs. Using the .NET framework gives a secure and isolated sandbox for applications to run in, which can be used to safeguard the Xbox 360 and the owner's data against malicious or buggy code. An example of how this could be achieved is as follows: The Xbox 360 Dashboard could have an "Xbox 360 Addons" area. This area could integrate with a site such as GotDotNet.com to allow Xbox 360 users to browse, download, rate and potentially buy .NET applications that have been written specifically for the Xbox 360. The user could run these applications in the knowledge that the .NET sandbox provided by the Xbox 360 would protect their console from malicious code, and return them safely to the Dashboard should the application crash. Should an application hang (e.g. in an infinite loop) a special button (for example the Start button) could bring up a menu to terminate the application and return to the Dashboard. For extra securit

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        XRaheemX
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        I'm completely with you 100%. I've been waiting to hear if they were going to do something in .NET so I could pursue a career in game dev. Where do I sign up?

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          Hey everyone, I hope this isn't too off-topic. I'm very keen to develop software for the Xbox 360, and ideally I'd want to do it in C#. At the moment neither of those things are possible though. From what I've read, Microsoft is planning to open up development of the console, but I'm not sure by how much. I haven't read anything about them porting .NET to the Xbox 360 at all. So my plan is to find out how many people share my interest, and to try and get a petition going to get some support for the idea. Here is my text for the petition at the moment... if people could tell me what they think, what I should change, etc, I'd be really greatful. Once I've got enough feedback, I'll stick it up on PetitionOnline.com and try and get a good number of signatures. Once again, sorry if it's off topic... this seemed like the best place to find interested people. ---------------- Xbox 360 Development with the .NET Framework Petition "At this time, access to development tools for the Xbox 360 video game console is limited to developers working on approved titles for licensed publishers. This will change over time..." [1] This petition is to encourage Microsoft to use the Xbox 360 console to promote .NET development, and in turn encourage developers (both professionals and hobbyists) to create games and applications that would run on the Xbox 360 under the .NET CLR. This would allow any developer to exploit the power of the Xbox 360 and its convenient location in the living room without being hindered by requirements such as backing from a publisher or distribution costs. Using the .NET framework gives a secure and isolated sandbox for applications to run in, which can be used to safeguard the Xbox 360 and the owner's data against malicious or buggy code. An example of how this could be achieved is as follows: The Xbox 360 Dashboard could have an "Xbox 360 Addons" area. This area could integrate with a site such as GotDotNet.com to allow Xbox 360 users to browse, download, rate and potentially buy .NET applications that have been written specifically for the Xbox 360. The user could run these applications in the knowledge that the .NET sandbox provided by the Xbox 360 would protect their console from malicious code, and return them safely to the Dashboard should the application crash. Should an application hang (e.g. in an infinite loop) a special button (for example the Start button) could bring up a menu to terminate the application and return to the Dashboard. For extra securit

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          Interesting but I'm not sure it will fly. Is there even a .Net Framework for the XP Media Center? (I honesty don't know either way) Does XBox360 even have the concept of "user" let alone principals? Ultimately, I suspect the don't want to "open" any part of the XBox 360 due to lowering the bar for the evil specter of "piracy". If any Joe Programmer can write a C# program that can create a secure channel from the hard drive to the audio/video codec then what is the point of DMR or other security features they try to design into these things? Sure that would be great for us but rotten for MS. So I guess I need to see exactly how they are going to open the platform up. If it is anything more pesky then what needs to be done for developing for PocketPC then forget it. If the API available to hobbiests is only a small subset where you can only create "toys" then forget it. Then the ubiquitous "someone" needs to implement a .Net Framework that is hopefully on par of the Compact version if not better *plus* documentation. All of this is some resource coming from somewhere... In short, it would be nice but I don't know if it is even in MS's best interest let alone a good idea. Lower level programming on highly specialized hardware platforms is...how to put it...not as "fun" as a general computing platform. :) I can't begin to think of what I would put on an XBox 360 since it is not a standard computing platform...

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            Hey everyone, I hope this isn't too off-topic. I'm very keen to develop software for the Xbox 360, and ideally I'd want to do it in C#. At the moment neither of those things are possible though. From what I've read, Microsoft is planning to open up development of the console, but I'm not sure by how much. I haven't read anything about them porting .NET to the Xbox 360 at all. So my plan is to find out how many people share my interest, and to try and get a petition going to get some support for the idea. Here is my text for the petition at the moment... if people could tell me what they think, what I should change, etc, I'd be really greatful. Once I've got enough feedback, I'll stick it up on PetitionOnline.com and try and get a good number of signatures. Once again, sorry if it's off topic... this seemed like the best place to find interested people. ---------------- Xbox 360 Development with the .NET Framework Petition "At this time, access to development tools for the Xbox 360 video game console is limited to developers working on approved titles for licensed publishers. This will change over time..." [1] This petition is to encourage Microsoft to use the Xbox 360 console to promote .NET development, and in turn encourage developers (both professionals and hobbyists) to create games and applications that would run on the Xbox 360 under the .NET CLR. This would allow any developer to exploit the power of the Xbox 360 and its convenient location in the living room without being hindered by requirements such as backing from a publisher or distribution costs. Using the .NET framework gives a secure and isolated sandbox for applications to run in, which can be used to safeguard the Xbox 360 and the owner's data against malicious or buggy code. An example of how this could be achieved is as follows: The Xbox 360 Dashboard could have an "Xbox 360 Addons" area. This area could integrate with a site such as GotDotNet.com to allow Xbox 360 users to browse, download, rate and potentially buy .NET applications that have been written specifically for the Xbox 360. The user could run these applications in the knowledge that the .NET sandbox provided by the Xbox 360 would protect their console from malicious code, and return them safely to the Dashboard should the application crash. Should an application hang (e.g. in an infinite loop) a special button (for example the Start button) could bring up a menu to terminate the application and return to the Dashboard. For extra securit

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            leppie
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            I think it would be easier to port MacOS to Xbox360. ;P xacc-ide 0.0.99-preview2 (now with integrated debugger)

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