A great time to be a developer
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Tom Ollar wrote: How? It seems like they do so much already. Let's see. Testing, documentation, architecture, automatic synchronization of said, workflows (we're just now getting MWF???), better UI development tools, tools that let you build n-tier applications, etc. Most of these tools exist already but are very incomplete. Tom Ollar wrote: some are saying that better tools are making job conditions worse for the developer. For the most part, I've noticed that tools make for worse designs and dumber developers. Designs are worse, for example, if you use the IDE to develop a database app, because the persistence code is embedded in the presentation layer! Developers are dumber because they are completely reliant on the tool to do the work and are totally lost when they have to do something that the tool doesn't handle. Tom Ollar wrote: Isn't better for us the more difficult development is? As with other things, people confuse the tool with the knowledge to use the tool. Having a hammer a box of nails, and some wood does me no good if I don't know how to build a shed. Similarly, tools are useless if the programmer doesn't know how to program to begin with. Development is difficult primarily because programmers don't know how to write applications. If they did, the tools would be a lot better as well! Marc My website Traceract Understanding Simple Data Binding Diary Of A CEO - Preface
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Michael P Butler wrote: But now we've got XAML we are going to kick your ass on your own playing field. Hmmm, and they have AJAX. Have you seen the future version of Hotmail[^] yet?
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: Hmmm, and they have AJAX. That is true, but I don't think they have a nice mature toolset yet. You can still write a more functional, user-friendly desktop app quicker than you can write an AJAX web-site with the same depth of functionality and userability. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: Hmmm, and they have AJAX. That is true, but I don't think they have a nice mature toolset yet. You can still write a more functional, user-friendly desktop app quicker than you can write an AJAX web-site with the same depth of functionality and userability. Michael CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
Of course but it is harder to write connectivity into a desktop app than a web-app which is by its nature connected. And in this day and age connectivity is huge. regards, Paul Watson South Africa Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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I can remember using Make for the first time and thinking :cool: The tigress is here :-D
Yep. Remember when we had to hand-code the PVCS gets into the make file?! Windows Vista Program Manager MSDN Online MICROSOFT Windows Vista Developer Center My Microsoft Blog
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The value of our services has gone down then, because the tools have gotten better? Tom Ollar
By definition if something becomes easier to use thereby incrasing your competition, then your value decreases. Windows Vista Program Manager MSDN Online MICROSOFT Windows Vista Developer Center My Microsoft Blog
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Tom Ollar wrote: Is this the best time to be a developer or what? Nope. Now anyone with a bootleg copy of Visual Basic .Net is a developer - just ask Microsoft. Well, maybe they'd balk at the bootleg part; no one who doesn't pay a year's salary for their tools can be a real developer. Back when computers were air-conditioned, self-contained cities, and pitiful, ignorant users had to crawl begging for help, often resorting to leaving valuable gifts on our doorsteps and flowers on our desks in the vain hope of being granted an audience with the guru of bits and bytes, now that was the heyday for developers. We were Gods, I tell you!!!! Muwahahaaaa... We who could read und understand the mysterious blinking lights on front panels, who knew which holes absolutely must be punched in the holy Hollerith cards (and which had better be left alone), who could mount and dismount hard discs all day and night without involving barnyard animals, we were the unchallenged Masters of our own, and all the nameless unwashed masses' destinies! You spoiled youngsters would be lost up a filestream without a HANDLE if we took away your fancy childrens' toys. You'd be POPping things when they should be PUSHed, leaving INT handlers with indeterminate SP register contents, and stewing in your own pragmas. ;) "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
I especially liked the inteviews! When a recruiter wanted to talk to any of us our gang, we would be like "Buy me a steak for lunch and let's talk". Man, those were some fun days, eh? Windows Vista Program Manager MSDN Online MICROSOFT Windows Vista Developer Center My Microsoft Blog
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SIGH - yes... I never programed in FORTRAN but I did a lot of Assembly and Pascal (Yes I know it's not great but it was still fun.) I think I started programmnig right at the end of those days so I sorta just got a whiff of them. I think I'm going to start looking for a different career and keep programming as a hobby so I don't have to worry about bureaucracy and politics.
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Nic Rowan wrote:
I think I'm going to start looking for a different career and keep programming as a hobby
I've been thinking the same thing for the last couple of months ... specially as I'm training the offshore Indian team that will be replacing me ... but getting back to the point, for the life of me I cant think of anything else I'd rather do. "We need less government, not more. The idea that we can become a better society by having a bigger rule book is ridiculous, regardless of who is trying to change the rules" - Doug Goulden
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By definition if something becomes easier to use thereby incrasing your competition, then your value decreases. Windows Vista Program Manager MSDN Online MICROSOFT Windows Vista Developer Center My Microsoft Blog
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Roger Wright wrote: ...and pitiful, ignorant users had to crawl begging for help, often resorting to leaving valuable gifts on our doorsteps and flowers on our desks in the vain hope of being granted an audience with the guru of bits and bytes... You mean your relatives/friends don't still do this? Lucky man.
None of my relatives own computers - they know their limitations.:sigh: My friends have learned - I bite when annoyed. "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9
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I especially liked the inteviews! When a recruiter wanted to talk to any of us our gang, we would be like "Buy me a steak for lunch and let's talk". Man, those were some fun days, eh? Windows Vista Program Manager MSDN Online MICROSOFT Windows Vista Developer Center My Microsoft Blog
Tom Archer - MSFT wrote:
Man, those were some fun days, eh?
Oh, yeah! [Cues Archie and Edith for another round of "Those were the days."]:laugh: "...a photo album is like Life, but flat and stuck to pages." - Shog9