A 3rd worlder's reality check
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As a matter of fact, I have lived that life. Yes, I can imagine it, and it's not pleasant. If you read my earliest threads, you know that in the past ten years I have had to rebuild my life totally from scratch. It's been a grim journey, and it's nowhere near complete. But here it can be done. I doubt that such opportunity is available to you there, my friend, and I am sympathetic to your cause. I wish you well on your journey, and I think you have what it takes to make it happen. Go to it! PS - Pass on SF. It sucks...
Roger Wright [CPUA 0x0004] wrote: PS - Pass on SF. It sucks... LOL I mentioned SF cause that's where my company's head quarters is. Actually it is Palo Alto which I believe is near SF or is part of SF. Dunno! Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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...Raleigh, NC. lots of hi-tech, nice weather, nice people. sadly, no jobs right now. but that could change someday. -c
Smaller Animals Software, Inc. You're the icing - on the cake - on the table - at my wake. Modest Mouse
Looking at the online job listings, NC looks like a hot bed of development activity compared to Indiana. It is one of the places I have actually considered going to to find contract work. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
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Hey Kannan Recently a kannanis@yahoo added me. I added him back. That's you right? Havent seen him[you] online since then. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Recently a kannanis@yahoo added me. I added him back. That's you right? Havent seen him[you] online since then Yupe that was me Nish. I can come online only from my home. The popular IMs are blocked at my place and couldnt get sonork working behind my office firewall (but its not blocked), any idea on how to configure sonork for the firewall. Cheers Kannan
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Roger Wright [CPUA 0x0004] wrote: PS - Pass on SF. It sucks... LOL I mentioned SF cause that's where my company's head quarters is. Actually it is Palo Alto which I believe is near SF or is part of SF. Dunno! Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
They all run together up there - it's all uniformly awful - wall-to-wall people. You've gotten enough of that overcrowding crap where you are. Try some wide open space for a change; you'll never be able to understand how anyone can live in a city after you've lived outside of one for a time.
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Recently a kannanis@yahoo added me. I added him back. That's you right? Havent seen him[you] online since then Yupe that was me Nish. I can come online only from my home. The popular IMs are blocked at my place and couldnt get sonork working behind my office firewall (but its not blocked), any idea on how to configure sonork for the firewall. Cheers Kannan
Kannan Kalyanaraman wrote: Yupe that was me Nish. I can come online only from my home Okay :-) Kannan Kalyanaraman wrote: The popular IMs are blocked at my place and couldnt get sonork working behind my office firewall (but its not blocked), any idea on how to configure sonork for the firewall. I am behind a NAT firewall. I didnt have to do any tweaking to sonork. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. Will I realize my dreams? Will I ever achieve what I wanted to achieve ever since I was old enough to say my name? Or will I suffer the same fate as any other 3rd worlder? I know some Indians are successful in life. But these are the elite and rich upper class. They have the money power to get them out of India. What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. Simply because I was not destined thus, to be a piece of crap in a world of nothingness. But there is hope, as is always so. I don’t remember who it was who said that, but to hope is to live. And so it shall be with me. I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. CPUA # 0x0666 Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
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Brit wrote: Good luck to ya. Thank You :-) Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. Will I realize my dreams? Will I ever achieve what I wanted to achieve ever since I was old enough to say my name? Or will I suffer the same fate as any other 3rd worlder? I know some Indians are successful in life. But these are the elite and rich upper class. They have the money power to get them out of India. What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. Simply because I was not destined thus, to be a piece of crap in a world of nothingness. But there is hope, as is always so. I don’t remember who it was who said that, but to hope is to live. And so it shall be with me. I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. CPUA # 0x0666 Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Hmmm, dunno what to think about your dream Nish. I think you can do a whole lot more right where you are. I've never quite understood "thirdworlders" fascination with living in the West. I'm in Africa and I'm staying right here, hopefully I can make a small difference. That's MY dream. So I must say with all due respect that when you say fortune has been cruel to you, well it hurts a little. You have food in your stomach and a roof over your head. I think you should be just a little more grateful for that. Millions of people have neither where I come from and indeed where YOU come from. But maybe all this is redundant because I suppose you COULD go to SF and be able to help out more as a result. But if it never happens, don't be so hard on yourself, you have alot to be thankful for, trust me. :-) Good luck!! Regards Senkwe Just another wannabe code junky
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Senkwe I am very well aware of the fact that there must be 4 billion on earth worse off than I am. But I dont intend to compare myself with people below me. I am looking at the other 2 billion. I will only compare myself with people better off than me, for that's the only way to drive my ambition on... Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: But I dont intend to compare myself with people below me I don't know what that means, lets just hope it's one of those things that didn't "come out right" because no one is below or above anyone else. Some people are just luckier than others. All I'm saying is that you're one of the lucky ones. Regards Senkwe Just another wannabe code junky
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Hmmm, dunno what to think about your dream Nish. I think you can do a whole lot more right where you are. I've never quite understood "thirdworlders" fascination with living in the West. I'm in Africa and I'm staying right here, hopefully I can make a small difference. That's MY dream. So I must say with all due respect that when you say fortune has been cruel to you, well it hurts a little. You have food in your stomach and a roof over your head. I think you should be just a little more grateful for that. Millions of people have neither where I come from and indeed where YOU come from. But maybe all this is redundant because I suppose you COULD go to SF and be able to help out more as a result. But if it never happens, don't be so hard on yourself, you have alot to be thankful for, trust me. :-) Good luck!! Regards Senkwe Just another wannabe code junky
Senkwe I am very well aware of the fact that there must be 4 billion on earth worse off than I am. But I dont intend to compare myself with people below me. I am looking at the other 2 billion. I will only compare myself with people better off than me, for that's the only way to drive my ambition on... Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. Will I realize my dreams? Will I ever achieve what I wanted to achieve ever since I was old enough to say my name? Or will I suffer the same fate as any other 3rd worlder? I know some Indians are successful in life. But these are the elite and rich upper class. They have the money power to get them out of India. What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. Simply because I was not destined thus, to be a piece of crap in a world of nothingness. But there is hope, as is always so. I don’t remember who it was who said that, but to hope is to live. And so it shall be with me. I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. CPUA # 0x0666 Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
The problem with people is theie selfish. Once you experience good life, you never wanna go back. Not that I know from direct experience. My life is pretty shitty ;P it's kinda like a self inflicted gunshot wound. I understand that our lives are probably totally different, but first world countries don't promise happiness for happiness is all in minds eye! Certainly hunger takes on a different meaning in Canada...even the poorest of poor don't kill for food here. It's easier to rob a store and goto jail, where in Canada...your treated pretty good so I hear. Unless yer a pretty boy and the locals take a liking to you. :laugh: Life sux and then you die! I've always had a bit of a disgruntled attidude towards people born into riches, but yet have an incredible respect for William Gates... :confused: I can respect your wishes in that you would like to keep your success local and help India's growth, but Nish...the success of North Americans doesn't exist becuz we look out for our countrymen back home. Sometimes you gotta learn to look out for yourself. Certainly I can see you making into Canada, might take a little more effort cuz the Sept. 11, but your highly experienced in the hi-tech sector. It's the wave of the future...US, Canada, Japan are way ahead of the game. It would be hard for you to understand my opinion, unless you yourself tasted total freedom. But like I said...if your born with it or once you've experienced it you aren't gonna wanna let it go. Move to Canada heck we'll go into biz togather. Your a third world underdog i'm one of societies blacksheep, I like the odds. Microsoft wouldn't even see us coming. ;P Our low Canadian dollor makes US currency seem like pure gold, and attarcts allot of biz cuz everything is so much cheaper. However Americans are the proudest people on this planet, so i'm sure they'd rather spend the buck at home. Living straight North of them give us an advantage over other competing countries. What am i trying to say? I dunno myself. :-D You should look out for you, move to Canada and live life, the way life was meant to be lived.??? :confused: ;P As honourable as it is to wanna help fellow countrymen you goota ask yourself, who is it yer living for. This selfishness is the reson for success. I figure theres no way you can truly be both...you gotta pick, for some (Bill Gates) it's easy, for more compassionate people the choice isn't always so obvious. Hope the best for you and hope you make the right choice! Cheers "An e
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: But I dont intend to compare myself with people below me I don't know what that means, lets just hope it's one of those things that didn't "come out right" because no one is below or above anyone else. Some people are just luckier than others. All I'm saying is that you're one of the lucky ones. Regards Senkwe Just another wannabe code junky
Senkwe Chanda wrote: don't know what that means, lets just hope it's one of those things that didn't "come out right" because no one is below or above anyone else. That's just philosophy. The world is not equal Senkwe. Some people due to luck or fortune or whatever, are better off than others. Lets take a poor afghan child who was born while his whole country was getting bombed. He is below anyone of us as far as being a normal human being goes. Its got nothing to do with him, rather more to do with his circumstances. I am not saying 4 billion people suck. I am saying that as long as there are 2 billion people better off than me in both spiritual and material ways, I am going to try to improve my world ranking as a fortunate human being. Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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The problem with people is theie selfish. Once you experience good life, you never wanna go back. Not that I know from direct experience. My life is pretty shitty ;P it's kinda like a self inflicted gunshot wound. I understand that our lives are probably totally different, but first world countries don't promise happiness for happiness is all in minds eye! Certainly hunger takes on a different meaning in Canada...even the poorest of poor don't kill for food here. It's easier to rob a store and goto jail, where in Canada...your treated pretty good so I hear. Unless yer a pretty boy and the locals take a liking to you. :laugh: Life sux and then you die! I've always had a bit of a disgruntled attidude towards people born into riches, but yet have an incredible respect for William Gates... :confused: I can respect your wishes in that you would like to keep your success local and help India's growth, but Nish...the success of North Americans doesn't exist becuz we look out for our countrymen back home. Sometimes you gotta learn to look out for yourself. Certainly I can see you making into Canada, might take a little more effort cuz the Sept. 11, but your highly experienced in the hi-tech sector. It's the wave of the future...US, Canada, Japan are way ahead of the game. It would be hard for you to understand my opinion, unless you yourself tasted total freedom. But like I said...if your born with it or once you've experienced it you aren't gonna wanna let it go. Move to Canada heck we'll go into biz togather. Your a third world underdog i'm one of societies blacksheep, I like the odds. Microsoft wouldn't even see us coming. ;P Our low Canadian dollor makes US currency seem like pure gold, and attarcts allot of biz cuz everything is so much cheaper. However Americans are the proudest people on this planet, so i'm sure they'd rather spend the buck at home. Living straight North of them give us an advantage over other competing countries. What am i trying to say? I dunno myself. :-D You should look out for you, move to Canada and live life, the way life was meant to be lived.??? :confused: ;P As honourable as it is to wanna help fellow countrymen you goota ask yourself, who is it yer living for. This selfishness is the reson for success. I figure theres no way you can truly be both...you gotta pick, for some (Bill Gates) it's easy, for more compassionate people the choice isn't always so obvious. Hope the best for you and hope you make the right choice! Cheers "An e
Thanks Hockey. There is a lot in what you say. Yeah ambition by nature is selfish. But it is not a sin, I guess :-) Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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Thanks Hockey. There is a lot in what you say. Yeah ambition by nature is selfish. But it is not a sin, I guess :-) Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
Nish, I think you just missed an opportunity to migrate to Canada. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
Most people should stick to calculators, Isaac Sasson 28 th Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr# Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
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Thanks Hockey. There is a lot in what you say. Yeah ambition by nature is selfish. But it is not a sin, I guess :-) Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: But it is not a sin, I guess Not at all. I'm not a religious person at all. I figure it is best for me to live life the way I feel fit, rather than have it dictated by some goofy (my appologies if your religious) religion or belief. Anyways what I was trying to get at is...even according to Christians/Catholics maybe...i dunno...someone who blieved in god. "One must help himself before he can help others" Perhaps they are why I hate religion...i've often thought Buddism or Shaoulin monk would be interesting. The Chinese see to know something we all don't. They live forever so it seems, incredibly healthy (the ones that eat) and there's 1.3 billion of them. (I wish i had that much sex :-D ) and I can't ever get enough of KungFu... ;P Actually to be honest I think the north American Native aboriginal people are closest to how life really came to be. Again just my opinion! p.s-Have you ever really tried to get into Canada or USA..? "An expert is someone who has made all the mistakes in his or her field" - Niels Bohr
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Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. Will I realize my dreams? Will I ever achieve what I wanted to achieve ever since I was old enough to say my name? Or will I suffer the same fate as any other 3rd worlder? I know some Indians are successful in life. But these are the elite and rich upper class. They have the money power to get them out of India. What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. Simply because I was not destined thus, to be a piece of crap in a world of nothingness. But there is hope, as is always so. I don’t remember who it was who said that, but to hope is to live. And so it shall be with me. I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. CPUA # 0x0666 Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. I cannot say that I´ve realized my dreams... but I can say that a life without dreams is real boring. I confess that life is quite difficult at 3th world... I´ve to work for 3 companys, about 10 or 12 hour a day... but at least I get a partially good money (I´m not doing what I dreamet to do). Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Hope you get that some day Nish ! :) I´ve the same dreams too... but I´ve to insert the "Develop Games Full-Time" in the list. Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. As it is for every 3th worlder (except the rich ones of course). But I think we have no other option. Get up... Stand up... Stand up for your right ! Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. Hope I conquer mine too... :cool: Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank
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I sincerely wish you good luck. -:suss:Matt Newman:suss: -Sonork ID: 100.11179:BestSnowman Frankly AOL should stick to what it does best: Fooling millions of americans into believing that it, AOL, is the web. -Paul Watson
Instead of wishing him good luck, I propose we (those of us in the USA) all lobby our bosses to hire him away from his lovely hometown. In return, he should promise us one new article each week for the rest of his life and not complaining anything about the 1st world. ;)
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Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. Will I realize my dreams? Will I ever achieve what I wanted to achieve ever since I was old enough to say my name? Or will I suffer the same fate as any other 3rd worlder? I know some Indians are successful in life. But these are the elite and rich upper class. They have the money power to get them out of India. What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. Simply because I was not destined thus, to be a piece of crap in a world of nothingness. But there is hope, as is always so. I don’t remember who it was who said that, but to hope is to live. And so it shall be with me. I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. CPUA # 0x0666 Sonork ID 100.9786 voidmain www.busterboy.org
Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: 3rd world Can you gimme an example of a 2rd world country ? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Everyone dreams. Everyone. Even someone as pitiable and scornful as a 3rd wordler. I dream too. Dreaming is easy. Then what is it that separates a few. That makes some people stand out. Well that’s something too. Its called realization of dreams. I cannot say that I´ve realized my dreams... but I can say that a life without dreams is real boring. I confess that life is quite difficult at 3th world... I´ve to work for 3 companys, about 10 or 12 hour a day... but at least I get a partially good money (I´m not doing what I dreamet to do). Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: What about me? I can imagine myself born in a developed place. I believe that if I was born in some computer aware place, say SF, I’d have conquered my dreams by now. I’d have got an exposure which is only fantasy now to me. I’d have been rich and successful and contended. Hope you get that some day Nish ! :) I´ve the same dreams too... but I´ve to insert the "Develop Games Full-Time" in the list. Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: Why has fortune been cruel to me? It’s particularly painful to me. As it is for every 3th worlder (except the rich ones of course). But I think we have no other option. Get up... Stand up... Stand up for your right ! Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: I shall strive to cross the abominabilities thrust upon me by my 3rd world nationality and I shall conquer. And you shall all be witness to that. The 3rd worlder who dared to dream and conquer his dream. That will be me – Nish. Hope I conquer mine too... :cool: Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank
Mauricio Ritter wrote: Hope I conquer mine too... The dreamers will dream. And realize their dreams. That's why we reached the moon. That's why we'll reach the stars one day... Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: 3rd world Can you gimme an example of a 2rd world country ? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 Trank
Mauricio Ritter wrote: Can you gimme an example of a 2rd world country ? You say 2nd Mauritio 2nd :-) and not 2rd :-) Well, perhaps Australia would qualify... Nish My most recent CP article :- A newbie's elementary guide to spawning processes www.busterboy.org