What is it with American actors??
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Hi guys, I caught a glimpse of Jeniffer Love Hewitt playing Audrey Hepburn in some biographical film and immediately wondered..."hey, shouldn't Audrey Hepburn have an English accent??" And that got me thinking about how strange it is that American actors are so poor at playing accents other than their own. Don Cheadle in Oceans 11 was comical because of his poor cockney accent (which might have been the intended effect). Rene Zelweigg...whatever, had only a passable English accent in Bridget Jones and the list goes on I guess. On the flipside, English and Australian actors get American accents down pat. Didn't Anthony Hopkins play some American president in a film? And growing up I thought Mel Gibson was American. We have Russel Crowe playing a hard boiled American cop in LA Confidential, you have Heath Ledger, you have that guy in Dune who I think is actually British. Wierd. Has an american ever succesfully puled off an Aussie accent for example?? Just another wannabe code junky
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Hi guys, I caught a glimpse of Jeniffer Love Hewitt playing Audrey Hepburn in some biographical film and immediately wondered..."hey, shouldn't Audrey Hepburn have an English accent??" And that got me thinking about how strange it is that American actors are so poor at playing accents other than their own. Don Cheadle in Oceans 11 was comical because of his poor cockney accent (which might have been the intended effect). Rene Zelweigg...whatever, had only a passable English accent in Bridget Jones and the list goes on I guess. On the flipside, English and Australian actors get American accents down pat. Didn't Anthony Hopkins play some American president in a film? And growing up I thought Mel Gibson was American. We have Russel Crowe playing a hard boiled American cop in LA Confidential, you have Heath Ledger, you have that guy in Dune who I think is actually British. Wierd. Has an american ever succesfully puled off an Aussie accent for example?? Just another wannabe code junky
British actors can master an American accent easier because they can finally release the tension in their sphincter enough to speak like they're not about to swallow their tongue. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
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Hi guys, I caught a glimpse of Jeniffer Love Hewitt playing Audrey Hepburn in some biographical film and immediately wondered..."hey, shouldn't Audrey Hepburn have an English accent??" And that got me thinking about how strange it is that American actors are so poor at playing accents other than their own. Don Cheadle in Oceans 11 was comical because of his poor cockney accent (which might have been the intended effect). Rene Zelweigg...whatever, had only a passable English accent in Bridget Jones and the list goes on I guess. On the flipside, English and Australian actors get American accents down pat. Didn't Anthony Hopkins play some American president in a film? And growing up I thought Mel Gibson was American. We have Russel Crowe playing a hard boiled American cop in LA Confidential, you have Heath Ledger, you have that guy in Dune who I think is actually British. Wierd. Has an american ever succesfully puled off an Aussie accent for example?? Just another wannabe code junky
Senkwe Chanda wrote: I thought Mel Gibson was American Mel Gibson *is* American. He was born here and taken to Australia as a child by his dad (I'm not sure what age, but I don't think he was an infant). Actually, most American actors can't get their own regional accents correct. I cringe everytime I here a non-Southern actor trying to sound Southern. By 'American Accent' you undoubtedly mean the standard 'Midwestern' accent which is generally regarded as the "American Accent". I should think that it would be a fairly easy accent for anyone to pick up. It has such a flat, and monotone resonance. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
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Hi guys, I caught a glimpse of Jeniffer Love Hewitt playing Audrey Hepburn in some biographical film and immediately wondered..."hey, shouldn't Audrey Hepburn have an English accent??" And that got me thinking about how strange it is that American actors are so poor at playing accents other than their own. Don Cheadle in Oceans 11 was comical because of his poor cockney accent (which might have been the intended effect). Rene Zelweigg...whatever, had only a passable English accent in Bridget Jones and the list goes on I guess. On the flipside, English and Australian actors get American accents down pat. Didn't Anthony Hopkins play some American president in a film? And growing up I thought Mel Gibson was American. We have Russel Crowe playing a hard boiled American cop in LA Confidential, you have Heath Ledger, you have that guy in Dune who I think is actually British. Wierd. Has an american ever succesfully puled off an Aussie accent for example?? Just another wannabe code junky
Senkwe Chanda wrote: And that got me thinking about how strange it is that American actors are so poor at playing accents other than their own I don't think that American actors are any worse than other actors. It is just that we notice the poor accents more when they try and pull them off. I am pretty sure an American finds a British actor trying to do an American accent laughable. To us, it sounds fine, but to them, it sounds hilarious. Same with actors trying to do South African accents. I watched Mission Impossible 2 and nearly had a hernia I laughed so hard at the so called "South African" in the film (the hench man of the bad guy.) However a friend who was from the UK said to me "hey, that guy does a South African accent quite well." You are sensitive to your own accent and to accents you are familiar with. Oh, and I thought Renee did a great job in Bridget Jones. It was very understated but spot on for her role. As for the guy in Oceans 11, well he did not say much and when he did it was mumbled so you could hardly catch the accent anyway :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
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Senkwe Chanda wrote: And that got me thinking about how strange it is that American actors are so poor at playing accents other than their own I don't think that American actors are any worse than other actors. It is just that we notice the poor accents more when they try and pull them off. I am pretty sure an American finds a British actor trying to do an American accent laughable. To us, it sounds fine, but to them, it sounds hilarious. Same with actors trying to do South African accents. I watched Mission Impossible 2 and nearly had a hernia I laughed so hard at the so called "South African" in the film (the hench man of the bad guy.) However a friend who was from the UK said to me "hey, that guy does a South African accent quite well." You are sensitive to your own accent and to accents you are familiar with. Oh, and I thought Renee did a great job in Bridget Jones. It was very understated but spot on for her role. As for the guy in Oceans 11, well he did not say much and when he did it was mumbled so you could hardly catch the accent anyway :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
Paul Watson wrote: I watched Mission Impossible 2 and nearly had a hernia I laughed so hard at the so called "South African" in the film I remember that guy and thought he was trying to do a South African accent. But I don't remember whether or not he was actually referred to as South African in the film Just another wannabe code junky
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Senkwe Chanda wrote: I thought Mel Gibson was American Mel Gibson *is* American. He was born here and taken to Australia as a child by his dad (I'm not sure what age, but I don't think he was an infant). Actually, most American actors can't get their own regional accents correct. I cringe everytime I here a non-Southern actor trying to sound Southern. By 'American Accent' you undoubtedly mean the standard 'Midwestern' accent which is generally regarded as the "American Accent". I should think that it would be a fairly easy accent for anyone to pick up. It has such a flat, and monotone resonance. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
Stan Shannon wrote: By 'American Accent' you undoubtedly mean the standard 'Midwestern' accent which is generally regarded as the "American Accent". I should think that it would be a fairly easy accent for anyone to pick up. It has such a flat, and monotone resonance. Ok so what american regional accent are most of the sitcoms and dramas done in? e.g. West Wing, Spin City etc. etc. Is that mid west? And then you get the very heavy "twangy" accent which is what I think of as why most people cannot stand American accents. People with that accent say things like "ooohh mmmmwwwyyaa gggaawwddd!" What region is that? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
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Stan Shannon wrote: By 'American Accent' you undoubtedly mean the standard 'Midwestern' accent which is generally regarded as the "American Accent". I should think that it would be a fairly easy accent for anyone to pick up. It has such a flat, and monotone resonance. Ok so what american regional accent are most of the sitcoms and dramas done in? e.g. West Wing, Spin City etc. etc. Is that mid west? And then you get the very heavy "twangy" accent which is what I think of as why most people cannot stand American accents. People with that accent say things like "ooohh mmmmwwwyyaa gggaawwddd!" What region is that? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
Paul Watson wrote: Ok so what american regional accent are most of the sitcoms and dramas done in? e.g. West Wing, Spin City etc. etc. Is that mid west? Yes, that is a "refined" Midwestern accent. To be successful in broadcasting here, an American has to have that accent. Paul Watson wrote: And then you get the very heavy "twangy" accent which is what I think of as why most people cannot stand American accents. People with that accent say things like "ooohh mmmmwwwyyaa gggaawwddd!" What region is that? I guess you are referring to the "hillbilly" accent of the Appalachian region. That has more of a nasal twang than most American accents. Although, living here now in Indiana I routinely hear midwesterners with a distinct twang. The American accent that grates on me the most is the "New York" accent. I have often heard it spoken (especially by women) with what I suppose you could call a "twang" of some sort. Very annoying. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
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Paul Watson wrote: I watched Mission Impossible 2 and nearly had a hernia I laughed so hard at the so called "South African" in the film I remember that guy and thought he was trying to do a South African accent. But I don't remember whether or not he was actually referred to as South African in the film Just another wannabe code junky
Senkwe Chanda wrote: But I don't remember whether or not he was actually referred to as South African in the film I don't remember exactly but either he mentioned "back home in South Africa" or it was very heavily implied. I don't think anyone thought he wasn't an actor trying to be South African. All I know is that it was terrible, I wanted to cry and laugh at the same time for our poor mangled accent :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
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Senkwe Chanda wrote: And that got me thinking about how strange it is that American actors are so poor at playing accents other than their own I don't think that American actors are any worse than other actors. It is just that we notice the poor accents more when they try and pull them off. I am pretty sure an American finds a British actor trying to do an American accent laughable. To us, it sounds fine, but to them, it sounds hilarious. Same with actors trying to do South African accents. I watched Mission Impossible 2 and nearly had a hernia I laughed so hard at the so called "South African" in the film (the hench man of the bad guy.) However a friend who was from the UK said to me "hey, that guy does a South African accent quite well." You are sensitive to your own accent and to accents you are familiar with. Oh, and I thought Renee did a great job in Bridget Jones. It was very understated but spot on for her role. As for the guy in Oceans 11, well he did not say much and when he did it was mumbled so you could hardly catch the accent anyway :-D regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
Paul Watson wrote: I don't think that American actors are any worse than other actors. It is just that we notice the poor accents more when they try and pull them off. I am not an expert here, but when has that stopped me having a say. I don't think it really has anything to do with quality of actors and more to do with what Stan was saying about the "Standard American Accent" being flat etc. I remember middle of last year while on a long late night drive listening to the radio. They had an American on who was over here coaching the American Accent to actors (it was his full time job). He said that American TV Presenters and Actors actually had to learn the "Standard American Accent" before being allowed out in the acting world. He was then asked to do an Australian accent which he failed miserably. He then said that he can teach the "Standard American Accent" to anyone but could teach anyone the Australian accent and hadn't heard anyone do one that wasn't born here. I heard a piss poor attempt at an Australian accent on Law and Order tonight and thought that the South African accent's is Leathal Weapon 3 (?) were acceptable. Michael Martin Australia mmartin@netspace.net.au "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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Hi guys, I caught a glimpse of Jeniffer Love Hewitt playing Audrey Hepburn in some biographical film and immediately wondered..."hey, shouldn't Audrey Hepburn have an English accent??" And that got me thinking about how strange it is that American actors are so poor at playing accents other than their own. Don Cheadle in Oceans 11 was comical because of his poor cockney accent (which might have been the intended effect). Rene Zelweigg...whatever, had only a passable English accent in Bridget Jones and the list goes on I guess. On the flipside, English and Australian actors get American accents down pat. Didn't Anthony Hopkins play some American president in a film? And growing up I thought Mel Gibson was American. We have Russel Crowe playing a hard boiled American cop in LA Confidential, you have Heath Ledger, you have that guy in Dune who I think is actually British. Wierd. Has an american ever succesfully puled off an Aussie accent for example?? Just another wannabe code junky
All actors have trouble pulling off other accents. You should hear actors trying to pull off the southern USA accent. It is so over done it stinks. FYI: That hillbilly accent, which is different from the southern accent, has closer ties to Scotland and the English isles than most people realize. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
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Paul Watson wrote: Ok so what american regional accent are most of the sitcoms and dramas done in? e.g. West Wing, Spin City etc. etc. Is that mid west? Yes, that is a "refined" Midwestern accent. To be successful in broadcasting here, an American has to have that accent. Paul Watson wrote: And then you get the very heavy "twangy" accent which is what I think of as why most people cannot stand American accents. People with that accent say things like "ooohh mmmmwwwyyaa gggaawwddd!" What region is that? I guess you are referring to the "hillbilly" accent of the Appalachian region. That has more of a nasal twang than most American accents. Although, living here now in Indiana I routinely hear midwesterners with a distinct twang. The American accent that grates on me the most is the "New York" accent. I have often heard it spoken (especially by women) with what I suppose you could call a "twang" of some sort. Very annoying. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
Stan Shannon wrote: The American accent that grates on me the most is the "New York" accent. I have often heard it spoken (especially by women) with what I suppose you could call a "twang" of some sort. Very annoying. Paul's original quote of "ooohh mmmmwwwyyaa gggaawwddd!" had me immediately thinking of that annoying bimbo in the Nanny. I believe that she is a New Yorker as well. Michael Martin Australia mmartin@netspace.net.au "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
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Hi guys, I caught a glimpse of Jeniffer Love Hewitt playing Audrey Hepburn in some biographical film and immediately wondered..."hey, shouldn't Audrey Hepburn have an English accent??" And that got me thinking about how strange it is that American actors are so poor at playing accents other than their own. Don Cheadle in Oceans 11 was comical because of his poor cockney accent (which might have been the intended effect). Rene Zelweigg...whatever, had only a passable English accent in Bridget Jones and the list goes on I guess. On the flipside, English and Australian actors get American accents down pat. Didn't Anthony Hopkins play some American president in a film? And growing up I thought Mel Gibson was American. We have Russel Crowe playing a hard boiled American cop in LA Confidential, you have Heath Ledger, you have that guy in Dune who I think is actually British. Wierd. Has an american ever succesfully puled off an Aussie accent for example?? Just another wannabe code junky
changing accents is a talent separate from acting itself. and some people have the talent, and some don't. i don't think your conclusion that it's somehow an "american" fault is justified - and frankly it's a bit disturbing. -c
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changing accents is a talent separate from acting itself. and some people have the talent, and some don't. i don't think your conclusion that it's somehow an "american" fault is justified - and frankly it's a bit disturbing. -c
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Actually, I never said it was a fault. I just thought it strange that I have yet to see an American pull it off succesfully. All my favorite actors/actresses are American in any case Regards Senkwe Just another wannabe code junky
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Stan Shannon wrote: The American accent that grates on me the most is the "New York" accent. I have often heard it spoken (especially by women) with what I suppose you could call a "twang" of some sort. Very annoying. Paul's original quote of "ooohh mmmmwwwyyaa gggaawwddd!" had me immediately thinking of that annoying bimbo in the Nanny. I believe that she is a New Yorker as well. Michael Martin Australia mmartin@netspace.net.au "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Yes, well if thats the one you mean, I heartily agree. I never watched that program, but I know who you are referring to. I just continue to be amazed at how much American television people around the world watch. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
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Paul Watson wrote: I don't think that American actors are any worse than other actors. It is just that we notice the poor accents more when they try and pull them off. I am not an expert here, but when has that stopped me having a say. I don't think it really has anything to do with quality of actors and more to do with what Stan was saying about the "Standard American Accent" being flat etc. I remember middle of last year while on a long late night drive listening to the radio. They had an American on who was over here coaching the American Accent to actors (it was his full time job). He said that American TV Presenters and Actors actually had to learn the "Standard American Accent" before being allowed out in the acting world. He was then asked to do an Australian accent which he failed miserably. He then said that he can teach the "Standard American Accent" to anyone but could teach anyone the Australian accent and hadn't heard anyone do one that wasn't born here. I heard a piss poor attempt at an Australian accent on Law and Order tonight and thought that the South African accent's is Leathal Weapon 3 (?) were acceptable. Michael Martin Australia mmartin@netspace.net.au "Don't belong. Never join. Think for yourself. Peace" - Victor Stone
Michael Martin wrote: and thought that the South African accent's is Leathal Weapon 3 (?) were acceptable. hehe, exactly my point. Once again I thought it was a shocking attempt at a South African accent (not sure what Lethal Weapon it was, but it was bad nonetheless.) Non South Africans think it is a good attempt at the accent, South Africans however cringe. Just as if I tried to do an American accent, other South Africans would think it is good, but Americans would start to bleed from the ears. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
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Actually, I never said it was a fault. I just thought it strange that I have yet to see an American pull it off succesfully. All my favorite actors/actresses are American in any case Regards Senkwe Just another wannabe code junky
Senkwe Chanda wrote: All my favorite actors/actresses are American in any case Don't worry, I will pay for your counselling personally. We wil get through this problem together Senkwe... ;P British actors are just, well, they are just a damned sight better than their American counterparts. You can actually believe they are people in a vivid story, not an actor pretending to be a person in a vivid story. Naturally that is a generalisation as there are some very good American actors, just on average Brit actors are far better. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
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All actors have trouble pulling off other accents. You should hear actors trying to pull off the southern USA accent. It is so over done it stinks. FYI: That hillbilly accent, which is different from the southern accent, has closer ties to Scotland and the English isles than most people realize. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
Tim Smith wrote: That hillbilly accent, which is different from the southern accent, has closer ties to Scotland and the English isles than most people realize. Well, both southern accents, (i.e. the Appalachian "hillbilly" accent and the accent of the tidewater region of the South) are both based on atiquated British dialects. The tidewater accent was derived from Elizabethan English, while the hillbilly accent was derived from the Celtic borderlands region of northern Ireland and southern Scotland. As you move westward across the South they become blended in various ways until you come to the perfectly blended and beautifully mellifluous standard Oklahoma accent.:) "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
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Yes, well if thats the one you mean, I heartily agree. I never watched that program, but I know who you are referring to. I just continue to be amazed at how much American television people around the world watch. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
Stan Shannon wrote: I just continue to be amazed at how much American television people around the world watch. I used to watch The Nanny every week. It was a fun diversion from everyday life, and she, Fran Dresher I believe, was so over the top that she was entertaining to watch*. The butler was hilarious as well, good old American-Brit dry humour. Though I must admit I have moved on from The Nanny since I was 16 or so. And yes, you will be amazed if you visit other countries and see just how much American TV we watch :) Hey Stan, do you twang and drawl when you speak? Or are you a dull, flat mid-westerner? * I don't mind over the top roles where the actor playing them knows they are over the top. I believe it is called "taking the piss" :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
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Senkwe Chanda wrote: All my favorite actors/actresses are American in any case Don't worry, I will pay for your counselling personally. We wil get through this problem together Senkwe... ;P British actors are just, well, they are just a damned sight better than their American counterparts. You can actually believe they are people in a vivid story, not an actor pretending to be a person in a vivid story. Naturally that is a generalisation as there are some very good American actors, just on average Brit actors are far better. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa "The greatest thing you will ever learn is to love, and be loved in return" - Moulin Rouge Sonork ID: 100.9903 Stormfront
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Tim Smith wrote: That hillbilly accent, which is different from the southern accent, has closer ties to Scotland and the English isles than most people realize. Well, both southern accents, (i.e. the Appalachian "hillbilly" accent and the accent of the tidewater region of the South) are both based on atiquated British dialects. The tidewater accent was derived from Elizabethan English, while the hillbilly accent was derived from the Celtic borderlands region of northern Ireland and southern Scotland. As you move westward across the South they become blended in various ways until you come to the perfectly blended and beautifully mellifluous standard Oklahoma accent.:) "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
out on the NC and VA coastal islands, you can still find places where they speak with what's closer to a british accent than any kind of american one. it's pretty cool, actually - they sound like sailors from 200 years ago. -c
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